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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111441 - 09/28/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.
Those aren't christian countries!
There is only one Christian country and thats the Vatican. Stop thinking in Islam/Christian dualities. Its just not that simple.
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Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?
Should we be the same as Saudi Arabia? I think not.
Allowing protests is one of the defining characteristics of true democracy. It would be a deeply tragic day for America if they outlawed Muslims to protest South Park. I think that day may be in the post, but stifling minorities isn't how its done in democracy.
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You are from the Netherlands, correct?
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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too.
I know Canada! People with large sombreros eating chili and tacos.. Well thats Mexico but close enough 
You can't compare Sweden and Holland. They are less similar than the USA and Canada, and communicate as much as Canada and Bolivia.
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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).
I do remember him, do you?
Theo van Gogh was a total swine. He wasn't a political figure, but basically a rightwing extremist comedian. Almost everything he said about Islam was a childlike and pathetic attempt to insult people as much as possible. He literally challenged the muslims to kill him. Literally. Then a sociopath (who happened to be a muslim) decided to take him up on that and vent his psychopathic need to hurt and kill.
It simply was violent crime, muslim extremism had virtually nothing to do with it, just one sick bastard taking it out on another sick bastard and the media blew it all out of proportion to throw oil on the flames of the post 911 mentality.
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There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.
Nobody who doesnt use populist tactics to hit minorioty groups below the belt has to be guarded. And nobody in Dutch politics has been attacked by muslim extremists. The whole bodyguard stuff is because a rightwing extremist politician was assassinated by a white vegan for entirely unrelated issues. Nothing Islam there too. It is all done with smoke and mirrors.
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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country.
I feel my country should more accurately represent the population groups of the world. Currently this is out of balance, half of all immigrants are from two Arab countries.
We do need an influx of immigrants for our country to be healthy, but this needs to diversify greatly.
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Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?
We dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history  We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen.
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Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.
Get your facts straight There's 16 million Dutch and there are about 1 million muslims of any nationality. The overwhelming majority of these muslims are reasonable people and as strict in their faith as most christians 
The last interaction I had with a muslim resulted in me getting 5 grams of primo afghan hasheesh, perhaps I'm biased Muslims might seem scary with the media hype and all, but they can be quite good people.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6111479 - 09/28/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not saying they are bad people, but there is a undeniable clash in cultures. Keep in mind, you were a paying customer to that man, why would he be anything but pleasant?
You do not get it, because there are 16 million dutch and 1 million Arab today, does not secure your future.
Please tell me if you agree or disagree with this statement: If current trends hold, Holland will eventually become a Muslim majority.
What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?
I don't understand peoples thinking. Take a baron country, and fill it with Dutchmen, what does it become? Take that same country and fill it with Muslims, what does it become? Geography is almost irrelevant.
"We Dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history  We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen."
That's how all western societies were . When there was a war, you breed, etc. Materialism has a stranglehold on the west, and our greed will prevent us from breeding in the numbers of our Muslim friends. Even in my country, wealthy Muslims have MANY children, while wealthy westerners adopt children from 3rd world countries. Do you see my point?
There is a battle being waged, but it is one of numbers, one we are losing.
You are foolish to think that Holland will always have a dutch majority, at the current rates.
Tell me, how many Arabs were there in your country just 20 years ago? I would be willing to guess under 50,000. Now, you say there are 1 million. That is scary, because I doubt Amsterdam will be the great city it is today, when my great grand children go to visit.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111846 - 09/28/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said:What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?
your limited insight is somewhat amusing.. has it crossed your mind that many people already have grandchildren that are in the minority, and they have been in the minority themselves.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
#6111873 - 09/28/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah it has. Maybe they can move to where they will be a majority?
Also, that is not my concern, my main concern is my (great * X) grand children. The fact is, my (great * X) grand children are going to be the minority with NO place to go to be a majority, unless something is done now. I will not concern myself with the problems of strangers and people who have no concern for me, until MY problems are sorted out. Yeah, I'm selfish, get over it.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111969 - 09/28/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep in mind, you were a paying customer to that man, why would he be anything but pleasant?
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If current trends hold, Holland will eventually become a Muslim majority.
"current trends" aren't holding anymore for a while now. I think a muslim majority in Holland is unlikely, too many things are happening. Even if it did: these are good people, and many are here because they do not want to live in a theocracy.
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What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?
The bloodline stops right here. I do not intend to procreate. Even if I did, I wanted my grandchildren to live in a succesful multicultural society. they would not be a minority, and even if they were: in a better society being a minority is no problem. The times are a-changin'
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Take a baron country, and fill it with Dutchmen, what does it become?
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There is a battle being waged, but it is one of numbers, one we are losing.
I welcome diversity, I don't see this as a losing battle. My brother's soon to be wife is Chinese, and their children will be european-asian, raised according to values of both cultures. What's wrong with that?
Is the white race losing? Is old finger-in-the-dike holland losing? Nope. Welcome in the 21st century.
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You are foolish to think that Holland will always have a dutch majority, at the current rates.
If the diversity reflects the world population, I have no problems with becoming a minority in my own country. Nobody ever promised me things wouldn't change, life's about taking the present into a better future, rather than living in the past.
I might even leave the country and go live someplace else. Holland will always be home for me, and being a minority doesnt diminish that.
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Tell me, how many Arabs were there in your country just 20 years ago? I would be willing to guess under 50,000.
Several 100.000 at least. And it depends what you call Arabs. Most people from the arabic world are from Morocco and Turkey. These are very different cultures.
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That is scary, because I doubt Amsterdam will be the great city it is today, when my great grand children go to visit.
There is no telling. The "arabs" in Holland contribute greatly to our cannabis culture. Africans brought us Khat, which you now can buy on the streets in some neighborhoods. Santo Daime and the Uniao Do Vegetal from Brazil brought us their religious right to use Ayahuasca for spiritual purposes.
Sure, its a bumpy road, but its a very worthwhile journey.
As I see it humanity must become one (in all diversity) on short term, and then colonize our solar system, then the planets orbiting the stars around us. Nostalgia cannot get in the way of the prime motivation of the life force, which is to spread as far and wide as possible. Forget tulips at the Keukenhof and let's focus on tulips on mars.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111980 - 09/28/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alpharedecho: this is about doing away with ALL racial majorities. Its about humanity itself taking over. The majority will be minorities and we can finally take racism to the grave.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6112098 - 09/28/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ALL racial majorities? You really believe that?
It is only white that are losing their majorities. You will not see the Chinease becoming a minority in their country.
I know times are changing, but I am afraid for the day with European cultures are only found in history books. I guess I'm the only one.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6112146 - 09/28/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: This is a war that will be won or lost in the bedroom.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6112153 - 09/28/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: ALL racial majorities? You really believe that?
It is only white that are losing their majorities. You will not see the Chinease becoming a minority in their country.
I know times are changing, but I am afraid for the day with European cultures are only found in history books. I guess I'm the only one.
You = Racist
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6112162 - 09/28/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lots of good stuff, just nothing recently.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6112190 - 09/28/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.
Those aren't christian countries!
There is only one Christian country and thats the Vatican. Stop thinking in Islam/Christian dualities. Its just not that simple.
This is disingenuous. Christian country....majority of population christian. Muslim country.... majority of population muslim. Get it? Everybody else does.
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Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?
Should we be the same as Saudi Arabia? I think not.
You are correct, we should not. They should be the same as us, tolerant. Another failure to recognize a difference everybody else can perceive.
Allowing protests is one of the defining characteristics of true democracy. It would be a deeply tragic day for America if they outlawed Muslims to protest South Park. I think that day may be in the post, but stifling minorities isn't how its done in democracy.
And here you manage to define the difference between us and the thugs from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, and on and on and on, that you can't seem to discern. Muslim countries, which you can't seem to be able to define (though the stifling of dissent is by no means a muslim invention it is a characteristic of all muslim nations, with the possible exception of Afghanistan). And here you seem to be having a true disconnect. Comedy Central pulled the South Park shit because they were intimidated by the threat of muslim violence. Yet the muslims were free to whine without any threat to their safety. Hmmmm, what's wrong with your viewpoint? Every fucking thing.
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You are from the Netherlands, correct?
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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too.
I know Canada! People with large sombreros eating chili and tacos.. Well thats Mexico but close enough 
You can't compare Sweden and Holland. They are less similar than the USA and Canada, and communicate as much as Canada and Bolivia.
Are the muslims better behaved in Denmark? Or Holland? I doubt it. It probably depends on the level of surrender you have made. The more cowardly the less physically attacked. Acquiescence to their perverted demands affords you a certain level of physical safety from these thugs. But extortion is a crime too. "We won't burn down your store if you do this...." Classic mobster. And a small death itself.
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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).
I do remember him, do you?
Theo van Gogh was a total swine. He wasn't a political figure, but basically a rightwing extremist comedian. Almost everything he said about Islam was a childlike and pathetic attempt to insult people as much as possible. He literally challenged the muslims to kill him. Literally. Then a sociopath (who happened to be a muslim) decided to take him up on that and vent his psychopathic need to hurt and kill.
It simply was violent crime, muslim extremism had virtually nothing to do with it, just one sick bastard taking it out on another sick bastard and the media blew it all out of proportion to throw oil on the flames of the post 911 mentality.
Relentless bullshit. It was not blown out of proportion. Ask Salman Rushdie. Ask Hirsi Ali, who wrote the fucking movie. Are you deliberately lieing, or do you not know? It was most certainly not one whackjob, he was just first. There are millions upon millions of murderous muslim whackjobs willing to kill over some perceived slight against their child molesting, violence inciting prophet, piss be upon him. I don't know of anyone who tried to kill that guy who put a christ on the cross in a jar of piss as a work of art. HE still walks the streets freely. And did I say "Fuck muhammed"? I didn't? Well let me say "fuck muhammed and all of his camel fucking spawn". There. Any of his fucking dumb as shit followers can suck my ass, too. Now then, tell me again why you think I should be murdered for that. Your fucking notion that Theo deserved it because he dared to stick a figurative thumb in the eye of the biggest blight on the planet is just so disgusting it beggars words. And, oh yeah, fuck muhhamed in the ass two times with a pork penis. What's up with that pork shit anyway? Too much like incest, I suppose.
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There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.
Nobody who doesnt use populist tactics to hit minorioty groups below the belt has to be guarded. And nobody in Dutch politics has been attacked by muslim extremists. The whole bodyguard stuff is because a rightwing extremist politician was assassinated by a white vegan for entirely unrelated issues. Nothing Islam there too. It is all done with smoke and mirrors.
Hirsi Ali? Member of parliament run out of the country and in constant fear for her life for criticizing islam's treatment of women, among other horrors. Do you know what assault means in the phrase "assault and battery"? It is the threat, not the beating. And did I say "fuck any minority group that can't deal with my speech". Because, really, they can go fuck themselves and I'll make sure to keep saying that because their intolerance is unacceptable. You have the right to counter my insulting speech with insulting speech. Not threats, not violence. Just more insults. Or just reasoned rational dialogue about why my position is assinine.
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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country.
I feel my country should more accurately represent the population groups of the world. Currently this is out of balance, half of all immigrants are from two Arab countries.
We do need an influx of immigrants for our country to be healthy, but this needs to diversify greatly.
I cannot see any reason whatsoever to conclude that either diversity or a lack thereof is either healthy or unhealthy. However, the addition of intolerant murdering assholes is always unhealthy.
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Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?
We dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history  We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen.
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Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.
Get your facts straight There's 16 million Dutch and there are about 1 million muslims of any nationality. The overwhelming majority of these muslims are reasonable people and as strict in their faith as most christians 
Overwhelming? I doubt this given their avowed general position that muhhamed can withstand no blasphemer. That is not reasonable in my book but then I haven't surrendered my rights to say "fuck muhammed" yet.
The last interaction I had with a muslim resulted in me getting 5 grams of primo afghan hasheesh, perhaps I'm biased Muslims might seem scary with the media hype and all, but they can be quite good people.
Figures. "My dope dealer's a camel fucking monkey so camel fucking monkeys must be good"
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
#6112215 - 09/28/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm racist because I fear the day when there is nothing left of my ancestors. I'm horrible!
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6112228 - 09/28/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6112237 - 09/28/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you Zappa, you put to him what I couldn't word.
I will never, for the life of me, figure out why diverse = good, homogeneous = bad.
Have you people ever sat down and wondered.....go preach diversity in Japan, a place that is 99% homogeneous. Their society is one of the best in the world, with a crime rate that is exemplary.
You know what, I think Japan need 1/6 of is population to be Chinese, 1/6 to become Indian, etc etc so it reflects the worlds population. Really Wiccan, I expected better from you.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
#6112245 - 09/28/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.
It's not literal, I do not think people are actually combatants. They are breeding my people(whites) out of existence. Whether it is intentional or not, is IRRELEVANT TO ME!
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6112250 - 09/28/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: I will not concern myself with the problems of strangers and people who have no concern for me, until MY problems are sorted out. Yeah, I'm selfish, get over it.
i now pose the question: what has this sort of mentality contributed to the rest of humanity?
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
#6112258 - 09/28/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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About the same as Islam.
You think it is Islams policy to look out for the interest of non-Muslims?
Everyone looks out for their own, except for white people apparently, who can't wait to hand over their homelands.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Basilides said: You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.
It's not literal, I do not think people are actually combatants. They are breeding my people(whites) out of existence. Whether it is intentional or not, is IRRELEVANT TO ME!
One humanity. One love. You just don't get it, nazi boy.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
#6112273 - 09/28/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a nice thought, but it is not reality, and never will be. I get it, 99% of the world doesn't.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6112281 - 09/28/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm afraid your subjective world view = your subjective world view.
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