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What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity?
#6110566 - 09/28/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aside from conflict and fear, what else? (Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6110613 - 09/28/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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(Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)
How convenient 
What has the world of Christianity contributed to the rest of humanity?
If you depart from religion and venture into geographic location: What has the population of europe contributed to the rest of humanity?
You could say anything. Its perfectly acceptable and defendable to say that the population of europe has ruined the rest of humanity. Extorting wealth, wiping out cultural diversity, completely ass-raping the enviroment with nuclear campfires and chemical pottery and doing away with as many organism species as an extinction level meteor impact.
Or you could say the people of Europe saved the world entirely
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6110619 - 09/28/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Going back a few centuries to their Golden Years, the world of Islam could have easily asked the same thing of the Christian world.
All cultures have their nadirs and zeniths (both words contributed to the English language from the world of Islam) and the Islamic world has obviously been in decline ever since the fall of their last empire. But 200 years is a very short sample size from civilizations that have been around for millenia and contributed such essentials to humanity as vast knowledge regarding chemistry, astronomy, algebra, medicine and other sciences/ mathematics, along with thousands of words to the English language.
As for an actual answer to your question, Morocco has contributed tens of thousands of tons of hashish and marijuana to Europe and all the surrounding areas, Afghanistan has contributed tens of thousands of tons of opium and heroin all over the world, and they've sent all their smart students over here to work as doctors in our hospitals. Quite a success story, eh?
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Ravus]
#6110637 - 09/28/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How about containment of Christianity in its most aggressive years? Buddhists and Hindus would've been toast.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6110700 - 09/28/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
I think Islam invented The first RELIGIOUS tax commanded or justified from Allah. "Jizya" Allah/Muhammad said if you do not want to convert to Islam you could pay this tax and we will not Kill you.
But what about the future????
Islam has great plans for what it wants to do with the world....
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6110771 - 09/28/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: How about containment of Christianity in its most aggressive years? Buddhists and Hindus would've been toast.
What are you talking about? If anything the Christians ground the armies of Islam to a halt during Islam's most aggressive years. The crusades only happened as a response to the initial Islamic invasions...
But, if you want to look at the last 200 years of Islam, it becomes hard to say, mostly because religions as a whole didn't contribute much since the 1800s. Do you count the contributions of nations with large Islamic populations as being contributions of Islam, or do the contributions have to come from religious movements/leaders themselves?
Priests, Monks, and Imams may have been driving forces in technological and cultural development during the 1500s and 1600s, but by the 1800s the big players had become governments, academics, and even some corporations.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
#6110779 - 09/28/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6110820 - 09/28/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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(Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)
How convenient 
What has the world of Christianity contributed to the rest of humanity?
If you depart from religion and venture into geographic location: What has the population of Europe contributed to the rest of humanity?
You could say anything. Its perfectly acceptable and defendable to say that the population of europe has ruined the rest of humanity. Extorting wealth, wiping out cultural diversity, completely ass-raping the enviroment with nuclear campfires and chemical pottery and doing away with as many organism species as an extinction level meteor impact.
Or you could say the people of Europe saved the world entirely
Acceptable? Acceptable to who exactly? Not me, that's for sure, and if it is acceptable to you, I suggest you take every piece of technology you use, including the computer you just posted with, and throw it in the trash in protest.
If it weren't for Europeans, I would be long dead due to medical conditions.
Oh wait, I know, I probably wouldn't have those conditions in the first place, since we all know all ailments come from the technology brought about by those evil northern people. 
Wiping out cultural diversity, that's cute. I realize you're from Europe, so things will be different, but here in north America, cultural diveristy is the rule, not to be strayed from. Especially in my country, Canada, where we have non stop ad campaigns promoting cultural diversity. Toronto is arguably one of the most diverse cities in the world.
I suggest you go to an Arab country, and preach cultural diversity. Or maybe try China, or Japan, or etc etc.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Ravus]
#6110824 - 09/28/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ravus said: Islam contributed such essentials to humanity as vast knowledge regarding chemistry, astronomy, algebra, medicine and other sciences/ mathematics..
Islam "contributed" or invented all that??? 
Apparently they have not done SHIT with it..... other than building a bunch of mosques.
IMO A single religious culture, is bad news for all forms of innovation and the freedom of thought.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6110845 - 09/28/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Islam or Christianity has not directly contribute to anything to humanity. The only thing that has contributed to humanity are ourselves, not a religious idea.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: lonestar2004]
#6110861 - 09/28/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A single religious culture, is bad news for all forms of innovation and the freedom of thought
I agree 100% but that pic in your sig makes me want to puke all over, kill myself, be reborn in my next life and kill myself again
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
#6110874 - 09/28/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Syle said: i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?
this one is easy, I'm suprised I'm the first one to answer it.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/247/
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Islam instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years of the spread of Islam, great civilizations and universities were flourishing. The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas, and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history. Many crucial systems, such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and the concept of zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from the Muslim world. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery, such as the astrolabe, the quadrant, and good navigational maps, were also developed by Muslims.
http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa050600a.htm
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These English words are rooted in the Arabic language, demonstrating the influence of Muslim scholars in these fields:
alchemy algebra algorithm alkali almanac antimony average azimuth camphor carat cipher (zero) elixir nadir pancreas soda zenith zircon
John William Draper in the "Intellectual Development of Europe"
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"I have to deplore the systematic manner in which the literature of Europe has continued to put out of sight our obligations to the Muhammadans. Surely they cannot be much longer hidden. Injustice founded on religious rancour and national conceit cannot be perpetuated forever. The Arab has left his intellectual impress on Europe. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any one may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe."
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm
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What is Taught: Robert Boyle, in the 17th century, originated the science of chemistry.
What Should be Taught: A variety of Muslim chemists, including ar-Razi, al-Jabr, al-Biruni and al-Kindi, performed scientific experiments in chemistry some 700 years prior to Boyle. Durant writes that the Muslims introduced the experimental method to this science. Humboldt regards the Muslims as the founders of chemistry.
What is Taught: The scientific use of antiseptics in surgery was discovered by the British surgeon Joseph Lister in 1865.
What Should be Taught: As early as the 10th century, Muslim physicians and surgeons were applying purified alcohol to wounds as an antiseptic agent. Surgeons in Islamic Spain utilized special methods for maintaining antisepsis prior to and during surgery. They also originated specific protocols for maintaining hygiene during the post-operative period. Their success rate was so high that dignitaries throughout Europe came to Cordova, Spain, to be treated at what was comparably the "Mayo Clinic" of the Middle Ages.
What is Taught: Kerosine was first produced by the an Englishman, Abraham Gesner, in 1853. He distilled it from asphalt.
What Should be Taught: Muslim chemists produced kerosine as a distillate from petroleum products over 1,000 years prior to Gesner (see Encyclopaedia Britannica under the heading, Petroleum).
http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsit...95/science.html
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Muslims not only passed on Greek classical works but also introduced new scientific theories, without which the European Renaissance could not have occurred. Thus even though many of the Islamic contributions go unacknowledged, they played an integral role in the European transformation.
it's almost like... you are being sarcastic, and implying that "the world of Islam" has not contributed to humanity.. but that couldn't possibly be the case, for that would make you a complete fool.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
#6110931 - 09/28/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heres a thought, why does it matter? Are you going to suggest genocide for all islamic people? Are you going to discredit an entire religion based on your emotions towards some religious zealots? What do you plan to do about these islamic fascists? Is a religion required to contribute anything to society and where is that in the law books? Or is that on the list of legislation that is to be pushed through before the elections?
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6110979 - 09/28/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are you talking about? If anything the Christians ground the armies of Islam to a halt during Islam's most aggressive years. The crusades only happened as a response to the initial Islamic invasions...
They both held each other in check, and thats precisely what should've happened. They both limited each other's unbridled expansion when it mattered most. An all christian/all muslim/world government planet would be very unfortunate. Its a good thing they tied their mutual expansions.
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Acceptable? Acceptable to who exactly? Not me, that's for sure, and if it is acceptable to you, I suggest you take every piece of technology you use, including the computer you just posted with, and throw it in the trash in protest.
Why?
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Wiping out cultural diversity, that's cute. I realize you're from Europe, so things will be different, but here in north America, cultural diveristy is the rule, not to be strayed from.
Go to a theatre, let them work at you to make you appear arabic, wear a bigass turban and kaftan and walk the streets of America. Then tell me about the great diversity in the US. I've seen a documentary on it. It ain't pretty.
I was talking about destruction of cultural diversity throughout the world. The whole world is westernized. Western goals have replaced most others.
That isn't good for diversity. Either you westernize or pay the price.
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Especially in my country, Canada, where we have non stop ad campaigns promoting cultural diversity.
Why does diversity need to be PROMOTED alpharedecho? Because things aren't as cool in canada as you make them seem?
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I suggest you go to an Arab country, and preach cultural diversity. Or maybe try China, or Japan, or etc etc.
They haven't ruined the world. We have 
Seriously, I dont think we ruined the world, but we sure had an overwhelming impact on the entire world, and a lot of it just isn't good. So why whine about Islam instead of looking at the messes we ourselves made?
In this forum an Islam-criticising thread is just too easy shootin' and the onlyu good it does is that some posters here share their knowledge about Islam, good or bad. But the thread itself was too easy. It's like a "bush sucks"-thread: just too easy shootin'
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
#6111236 - 09/28/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't whine about Islam, people can practice what ever religion they want. What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.
Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?
You know what might stop all these problems, if Arabs stayed in Arab countries, and Christians stayed in Christian countries. Sure there can be tourism, and trade, but don't take up permanent residence in a society which has values you do not agree with. Then we could play what ever damn cartoons we wanted, with out fear of backlash on our people abroad. Also, have all embassies armed, so they would be safe.
You are from the Netherlands, correct?
I have heard of great problems in your country due to the isolated Islamic population in your country. Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too. Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).
There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.
Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country. Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?
Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.
The same goes for many other European nations, and if Turkey is let into the EU, like it most probably will, this trend will speed up.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111308 - 09/28/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic.
Source?
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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).
Theo van Gogh. And no, no one was forced to watch his movie. It was an independent film about women in Islam that was specifically transgressive in intent, with the depiction of a naked woman tattooed in Qur'anic verses in the opening scene. In this case, Muslims didn't riot. One of them simply stalked and murdered the film's producer, and failed to commit suicide by cop.
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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country. Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?
Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.
The same goes for many other European nations, and if Turkey is let into the EU, like it most probably will, this trend will speed up.
Last I checked, Holland had a human majority.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
#6111365 - 09/28/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HAHAHA, human majority?
WILL IT STILL BE HOLLAND WHEN THERE IS AN ARAB MAJORITY?
Simple questions.
After a quick search on "islamic rape epidemic in europe"
I found:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/000944.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1372959/posts
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/denmark/T6J8G597TF2O3JTGD/p3
http://www.falange.us/sweden101605.htm
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14907_Scandinavian_Rape_Epidemic
"The number of rape charges per capita in Malmo is 5 — 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmo or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmo only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state. In 1970 Sweden had the fourth highest GDP per capita among developed countries with income about 6% above the OECD average. By 1997 it was at fifteenth place with an average GDP per capita 14% below average. Malmo has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. According to some estimates, it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years."
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111378 - 09/28/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You won't find mainstream media covering these sorts of things, I am not sure why, but there is something fishy about it. They probably know parties like the BNP would take off if this stuff was reported. So the people in power pay the media not to report it?? I don't know, I am just guessing.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6111415 - 09/28/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holland a Muslim majority in 10 years? Hahaha. Sorry, I just don't buy it. That's as retarded as the notion that all hell will break loose if Turkey makes the EU.
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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
#6111428 - 09/28/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You obviously didn't read it. That is for a city in Sweden.
Are you going to answer my question though, because if demographic trends stay steady(and all signs seem to give the Idea that they will infact speed up) Will Holland or any other European nation, still be that nation when it is a Muslim Majority?
All hell WON'T break loose when Turkey gets in, it will just speed up the invasion.
Why can people not grasp the fact that the world is at war. It is not a war of guns or bombs, but of numbers. The old tactic of breeding out the enemy is being used very successfully. While us materialist westerners refuse to have kids, because they will cut into our wealth. This is a war that will be won or lost in the bedroom.
It is only a matter of time people, to think anything else is foolish and downright delusional.
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