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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #631190 - 05/15/02 12:25 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #632426 - 05/16/02 10:17 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

bad info, edited out.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK *DELETED* [Re: Hippie3]
    #632511 - 05/16/02 12:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #632588 - 05/16/02 01:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

So for a cake dunk 1 part bleach, 2 parts vineger and how many parts water?


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Scourge]
    #632615 - 05/16/02 02:20 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

All I know is for the bleach tek its 100:1
100 parts water to 1 part bleach


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Scourge]
    #633095 - 05/16/02 08:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

yup, 1 part bleach, 100 parts water.
leave out the vinegar, it ruins everything.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #633780 - 05/17/02 08:21 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Great Job Hippie3!!!

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #633817 - 05/17/02 09:53 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Barbi]
    #633852 - 05/17/02 11:22 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

of course, it has it's limits.
some are just too far gone to save.
also the bleach can only kill what it can reach, contams buried deep inside a casing aren't going to be affected.
but experiments are what makes knowledge grow,
so carry on and let us know how it goes.




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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #634564 - 05/17/02 11:54 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

the other inherant problem with this idea is that there are a myriad of different molds, each able to tolerate different levels of toxins in their environment - penicillium, cladosporium and aspergillus grow often on improperly sterilised grains - contaminants like trichoderma tend to grow on mycelia rather than bleach ridden substrate


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #634580 - 05/18/02 12:19 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Hippie3,
I must admit, I am impressed

Lots of good info here and half the reason why is because you post references and concrete evidence.

Reading over Barkas post, it got me thinking.

Barka said he/she dunks their cakes for 12 hours? I'm starting to wonder how long it would take to "suffocate" green mold? Or any mold? I mean mycelium isn't mold so I'm only guess-timating that in the case of PF cakes, the mycelium is strong enough to survive a 12 hour dunk.

Barka have you ever tried a 24 hour dunk with water only?

Just a thought.

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Lana]
    #634838 - 05/18/02 04:34 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Lana,

Ive taken a pie tin casing before & dunked it for 33/34hrs submerged underwater with no problems. Hope that helps.

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #634961 - 05/18/02 10:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

bleach will kill all those, if properly applied.
and my basic intent is not to sterilize substrate itself,
but rather mycellia, which is, as you mentioned, diectly attacked by trich.
of course there will be some who try it on substrate, but i haven't done any experiments on such questions as will mycellia colonize bleach-laden substrate.
all i've used it for is as a sanitizing dip for fully colonized cakes, and to keep everything nice and clean in my terrariums.
i'm sure there are plenty of contam cases where this tek will not be helpful, but there will also be success stories like the one i posted in the 'cultivation' forum entitled 'beating green mold'.
i'm not claiming bleach dipping is some wonderful miracle cure-all,
it's just another tool in our arsenal to fight back at invaders in our grow ops.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #639337 - 05/21/02 10:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

What about using it with birdseed? It's still in the jar but will be cased with 50/50+.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #639828 - 05/22/02 09:54 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

if it were me, i'd use the very dilute bleach solution [NO MORE THAN 1 part bleach per 100 water] to mist my casing, thus keeping any contams from getting a foothold.
it's easier to keep contams away than it is to get rid of ones already there.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #644256 - 05/25/02 10:52 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Barbi]
    #644909 - 05/25/02 11:47 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

what is the formula you used ?
it seems that it can cause a few deformities due to the extrtemely low ph of bleach.


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Barbi]
    #646072 - 05/26/02 08:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

sorry, this is still experimental stuff and it's reports like yours that will help perfect it better.
are all of them deformed, most or just some ?
is the flush average size, about what you expected or what ?


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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
    #647022 - 05/27/02 09:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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