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 Hippie3
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 Re: I'm sure it works well....  [Re: Rose]
#2127960 - 11/21/03 05:27 PM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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exactly.
the bleach quickly breaks down into salt and water,
the low concentration minimizes any damage to the mycellia,
and the product is perfectly edible and safe.
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micro
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Re: very bad. idea... [Re: Elemicin]
#2128253 - 11/21/03 07:33 PM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
Elemicin said:
NaOCl + H20 + hydrocarbon ---> oxidized hydrocarbon + H2O + NaCL
NaCl + H2O + NaOCl <----> NaOH + Cl2(g) equilibrium reaction.
This shouldn't happen at really low concentrations because a halonium ion intermediate shouldn't be able to form when another more simple reaction that's more exergonic can take place, with a lower activation energy.
It will oxidise things, but hydrocarbons???? Except maybe alkynes, since they're acidic....
So I would think....
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Edited by micro (11/21/03 07:44 PM)
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 Elemicin
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Re: very bad. idea... [Re: micro]
#2130699 - 11/23/03 03:53 PM (21 years, 17 days ago) |
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it will oxidize, alkane, alkenes and alkynes using chlorination.
so it the nature of radicals 
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 Re: very bad. idea... [Re: Elemicin]
#2158145 - 12/04/03 12:42 PM (21 years, 6 days ago) |
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Well , could I still go to the swimming pool ,coz i'm afraid to die just drinking a few water !!!
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Elemicin
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Re: very bad. idea... [Re: YesItsMe]
#2167328 - 12/07/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 2 days ago) |
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lol,
add more chlorine in your pool and then try swimming
I'm just saying it does occur some bi product in very small quantities....
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Re: very bad. idea... [Re: Elemicin]
#2174225 - 12/13/03 04:31 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your viewpoit is a bit extremist through throughout the thread. For all purposes considered, its completely safe and harmless and effective.
God, I argued int his thread ages ago with someone about it. ugh.
Also, another thing to keep in mind, h2o2 doesnt seem to always work on everything. I had some NASTY black mold h2o2 refused to kill, touch, make love to, wahtever. Bleach however, knocked it on its ass.
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Hippie3
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Re: very bad. idea... [Re: Barbi]
#2197262 - 12/23/03 06:16 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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yep,
my bleach experiments are now old news
and proven effective by many.
it's past time to accept that fact.
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mycoguy
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2728287 - 05/25/04 03:14 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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i started seeing some fluffy stuff on a casing today, and didn't want to risk the possibility of it being a contam, so i heavily misted over the casings with 50/50 bleach/water. The myc has turned a faint blue, as well as some of the pins that were already starting.
I'm worried that I might've killed the pins and or surface myc. I'll wait and see what happens. and post back with results in a few days.
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Hippie3
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: mycoguy]
#2728302 - 05/25/04 03:18 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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"so i heavily misted over the casings with 50/50 bleach/water."
that was a mistake.
if you read the thread
you'll see we used bleach diluted 200 to 1 in water,
not 50/50.
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2729862 - 05/25/04 09:08 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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YES I KNOW...i did this BEFORE i had came across this thread. Like I said, I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: mycoguy]
#2735319 - 05/27/04 02:21 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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as it turned out, I ended up with alot of mutants from the first casing. I'll post a pic later of the most retarded little child that grew out. It was growing with the stem split wide open, lengthwise. It was also attached at the cap to another shroom. Growing from the same cluster was a 3rd shroom that decided to split its stem into many pieces, and then grow upside down.
I have a strong feeling it was the bleach.
BUT
This casing began with heavy overlay, and was scratched on the surface. Has anyone else experience mutants from scratched casings?
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2740965 - 05/28/04 09:34 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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So this is safe because we all drink chlorinated water, eh?
"We are quite convinced, based on this study, that there is an association between cancer and chlorinated water." Medical College Of Wisconsin research team.
According to the U.S. Council Of Environmental Quality, ?Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine.?
Link: http://www.healthynewage.com/chlorine-cancer.htm
I found this by googling for chlorine cancer.
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Hippie3
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: RiceCake]
#2743727 - 05/29/04 07:33 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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big deal.
a million things cause cancer,
from sunlight to refined sugar
to drinking water to the freakin' air itself.
what's the risk ?
1 in 350,000 to get a cancer 30 years from now ?
people,
your risk of getting busted is higher,
over 2 million in prison,
but you still grow eh ?
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2743922 - 05/29/04 10:02 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice tek btw.
You could always use 'green' bleach too. (it just uses hydrogen peroxide in higher concentrations.) Maybe this is a cheaper source for strenghty peroxide?
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: RiceCake]
#2744241 - 05/29/04 12:04 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
RiceCake said:
According to the U.S. Council Of Environmental Quality, “Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine.”
So stop to go to swimming pool , high risk of skin cancer !
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2744994 - 05/29/04 06:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just sat and read this entire thread. Very Cool. I would like to say that I have been dunking cakes in 100 to 1 bleach for 3 years with nothing but sucess. I just thought one day about green mold pissing me off and fried the bastards in bleach. Old news for me but this thread did answer alot of questions running thru the back of my head. O yeah after all the shrooms I have consumed I am fine. Thanks Hip for doing all the reasearch I should have. I guess some of you are very talented at getting to the facts. Where I was just using old school thinking. Like mom said kill germs and funky things with Bleach.
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Hippie3
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Fucknuckle]
#2745062 - 05/29/04 07:23 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you invented both
dunking and bleach dipping
years before me?
what the fuck am i even doing then ?
lol
p.s. i don't think i believe ya
but who knows ?
stranger things are true.
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2745906 - 05/30/04 06:03 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hippie3 said:
big deal.
... 1 in 350,000 to get a cancer 30 years from now ?
people,
your risk of getting busted is higher,
over 2 million in prison,
but you still grow eh ?
No risk of getting busted here - I live in the UK. Growing and consuming hallucenogenic shrooms is legal so long as you don't dry them. So for me, getting cancer, even at 350,000 to one, is a higher risk. 
Still, the risk of being killed on the roads is probably higher, and I still drive.
And seriously, thanks for all the work you've put in on this.
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micro
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2746650 - 05/30/04 12:18 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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May I add my 2c by stating that this thread is becoming rediculously silly? (It recently graduated from the status of being really silly.)
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Re: Hip's Bleach Experiment/TEK [Re: Hippie3]
#2747421 - 05/30/04 04:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasn't stealing your glory man! Just telling you it is a good idea. But you didn't invent shit dude. I am a master gardner by trade and we use bleach for all sorts of killing. Very old news.and as far as dunking it doesn't take a rocket scientest to figure out if mushrooms bloom outside soon after rain. Then cakes would do the same thing by putting them under water over night simulating rainfall, But if you believe me or not is not the point. The point being that, there is a way to beat these invaders. Thanks for bring it to light for all of these cool people here at the shroomery
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