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Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!)
    #6099895 - 09/25/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like Jesus is fair game, but Muhammad is not.....South Park gets politically correct:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12303873/

NEW YORK - Banned by Comedy Central from showing an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, the creators of "South Park" skewered their own network for hypocrisy in the cartoon's most recent episode.

The comedy — in an episode aired during Holy Week for Christians — instead featured an image of Jesus Christ defecating on President Bush and the American flag.

In an elaborately constructed two-part episode of their Peabody Award-winning cartoon, "South Park" creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker intended to comment on the controversy created by a Danish newspaper's publishing of caricatures of Muhammad. Muslims consider any physical representation of their prophet to be blasphemous.


When the cartoons were reprinted in newspapers worldwide in January and February, it sparked a wave of protests primarily in Islamic countries.

Parker and Stone were angered when told by Comedy Central several weeks ago that they could not run an image of Muhammad, according to a person close to the show who didn't want to be identified because of the issue's sensitivity.


The network's decision was made over concerns for public safety, the person said.

Comedy Central said in a statement issued Thursday: "In light of recent world events, we feel we made the right decision." Its executives would not comment further.

As is often the case with Parker and Stone, they built "South Park" around the incident. In Wednesday's episode, the character Kyle is shown trying to persuade a Fox network executive to air an uncensored "Family Guy" even though it had an image of Muhammad.

"Either it's all OK, or none of it is," Kyle said. "Do the right thing."

The executive decides to strike a blow for free speech and agrees to show it. But at the point where Muhammad is to be seen, the screen is filled with the message: "Comedy Central has refused to broadcast an image of Muhammad on their network."

It is followed shortly by the images of Christ, Bush and the flag.

A frequent "South Park" critic, William Donohue of the anti-defamation group Catholic League, called on Parker and Stone to resign out of principle for being censored.

"The ultimate hypocrite is not Comedy Central — that's their decision not to show the image of Muhammad or not — it's Parker and Stone," he said. "Like little whores, they'll sit there and grab the bucks. They'll sit there and they'll whine and they'll take their shot at Jesus. That's their stock in trade."

Parker and Stone did not immediately respond to a request through a spokesman for comment.

It's the second run-in over religion in a few months for the satirists. Comedy Central pulled a March rerun of a "South Park" episode that mocked Scientologists. Isaac Hayes, a Scientologist who voiced the Chef character on the show, resigned in protest over the episode.

"South Park" again got the last word last month with an episode where Chef was seemingly killed and mourned as a jolly guy whose brains were scrambled by the "Super Adventure Club," which turns its members into pedophiles.

Only last week, "South Park" won broadcasting's prestigious Peabody. Awards director Horace Newcomb said at the time that by its offensiveness, the show "reminds us of the need for being tolerant."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6100922 - 09/25/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That episode was what, 4 or more months ago? But I agree with comdey central, those Muslims are crazy even if they don't riot in America I wouldn't want them really pissed at me

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6100991 - 09/25/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)


William Donohue should quit whining like a little bitch with her panties in twist over the creators not being 'fair and balanced,' South Park is an equal opportunity offender. However, you would probably have to watch the show to realize that. Dogmatic automatons might have a hard time doing that if it goes against their programming.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6101695 - 09/26/06 04:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6101863 - 09/26/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"The ultimate hypocrite is not Comedy Central — that's their decision not to show the image of Muhammad or not — it's Parker and Stone," he said. "Like little whores, they'll sit there and grab the bucks. They'll sit there and they'll whine and they'll take their shot at Jesus. That's their stock in trade."

apparently, that was the first episode of South Park he's ever seen. Perhaps he missed the one with the Virgin Mary that bleeds from her ass / vagina all over the pope.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6101922 - 09/26/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Old





Actually, this story will be "new" again this Friday:

http://newsbusters.org/node/7851

'South Park' Makers Say It's 'Open Season on Jesus,' Not Mohamed
Posted by Tim Graham on September 24, 2006 - 07:27.


ABC's Jake Tapper interviewed Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of the sleazy cartoon "South Park" for Friday's "Nightline." It's been "vilified as crude, disgusting, and nihilistic." Actually, it may be calmly, dispassionately, almost scientifically described as crude, disgusting, and nihilistic. But Tapper elicited some interesting commentary on how which religions can be mocked:

"That's where we kind of agree with some of the people who've criticized our show," Stone says. "Because it really is open season on Jesus. We can do whatever we want to Jesus, and we have. We've had him say bad words. We've had him shoot a gun. We've had him kill people. We can do whatever we want. But Mohamed, we couldn't just show a simple image."

During the part of the show where Mohamed was to be depicted — benignly, Stone and Parker say — the show ran a black screen that read: "Comedy Central has refused to broadcast an image of Mohamed on their network."

Other networks took a similar course, refusing to air images of Mohamed — even when reporting on the Denmark cartoon riots — claiming they were refraining because they're religiously tolerant, the South Park creators say.

"No you're not," Stone retorts. "You're afraid of getting blown up. That's what you're afraid of. Comedy Central copped to that, you know: 'We're afraid of getting blown up.'"

In fact, as not such a fan of "South Park," I did not know, as it's described here, that the show started as a little Christmas cartoon for an entertainment executive to show his friends featuring Santa Claus and Jesus having a fight. It's also interesting to hear Parker and Stone swear they believe in God, and think atheism is the most ridiculous point of view:

Stone, who was raised Jewish, says he's not religious. Parker says he considers himself religious, but it would take him a long time to explain it. Both say they believe in God.



"I believe there's something going on that we don't know," Parker says. "That's as far as I can go."



"Recently, atheists and people who hate religion have, like, really glommed on to our show because we make fun of a lot of religions," Stone notes. "But neither one of us is anti-religious at all. I mean, I'm fascinated by religion."



"All the religions are superfunny to me," Parker adds. "The story of Jesus makes no sense to me. God sent his only son. Why could God only have one son and why would he have to die? It's just bad writing, really. And it's really terrible in about the second act."



But Parker says atheism is more ludicrous to him than anything else.

"Out of all the ridiculous religion stories — which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah, there's this big, giant universe and it's expanding and it's all going to collapse on itself and we're all just here, just 'cuz. Just 'cuz. That to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever," he says. "So I think we have a big atheism show coming."
I'm not convinced after all this talk that you can claim that these men revere anything, including God. They certainly have no fear that God would be displeased with what they do for a living, and that whatever creed is true, they've mocked every version of God, so perhaps they are guaranteed to be on God's bad side regardless of who's right. But there's absolutely no fear of the Lord required to mock the atheists. It would be inconsistent for these all-purpose mockers to leave them out.



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So the Muslim religion is in such disarray right know, that even South Park, would send thousands of them over the edge? Why aren't Christians like this?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6101989 - 09/26/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Everybody knows Islam is a bit swordsy, why do you gotta keep pushing it


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102179 - 09/26/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It was not their decision to have it censored, they have no power over what the higher ups will allow on their network.

'South Park' Makers Say It's 'Open Season on Jesus,' Not Mohamed

Exactly, they wish it didn't have to be, but in the end they don't say what goes on air.

They do have an older episode where they create a character for mohamed, although I'm not sure if they air it anymore??

Southpark has NEVER been politicaly correct. The network which airs them has, they have not. If anyone that watchs the new mohomed episode can't catch the satire and opposition to the censorship about the whole deal, then they are just dumb.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: barfightlard]
    #6102430 - 09/26/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It was not their decision to have it censored, they have no power over what the higher ups will allow on their network.

'South Park' Makers Say It's 'Open Season on Jesus,' Not Mohamed

Exactly, they wish it didn't have to be, but in the end they don't say what goes on air.

They do have an older episode where they create a character for mohamed, although I'm not sure if they air it anymore??

Southpark has NEVER been politicaly correct. The network which airs them has, they have not. If anyone that watchs the new mohomed episode can't catch the satire and opposition to the censorship about the whole deal, then they are just dumb.





South Park has been one of the most influential shows, on pushing what can be shown on TV. The point is that this clearly shows a bias from one religion to the next.


Does anyone here find a double standard? What if the tables were turned? That "the powers that be" at Comedy Central would not allow defamation of Jesus, but JUST the defamation of Muhammad?


In any case I will be watching the upcoming interview, to see if the creators of South Park have to say.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102440 - 09/26/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Did you actually see this episode? If so, you would be able to see how obvious it is that the two were disgusted at getting their episode censored.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102445 - 09/26/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Making fun of Jesus has some comedic merit in how he's portrayed because he was an archetype of kindness. Mohammed was a warlord that sprung a religion. Making fun of him is simply socially dangerous.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102452 - 09/26/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It's quite sad that them censoring this episode probably saved human lives. The problem is not with South Park.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6102460 - 09/26/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I did.....it was a black ban across a cartoon charter, with some insciption like, "Comedy Cental will not allow" something or other.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6102466 - 09/26/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It's quite sad that them censoring this episode probably saved human lives. The problem is not with South Park.




My thoughts exactly. This isn't censorship. Censorship is when the government steps in and says "No". This is self censorship by Comedy Central to protect both their assets and any individuals who might be harmed by Islamist asshats.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102468 - 09/26/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Making fun of Jesus has some comedic merit in how he's portrayed because he was an archetype of kindness. Mohammed was a warlord that sprung a religion. Making fun of him is simply socially dangerous.






Jesus is just one part (1 0f 3) of the religion of Christianity. The Old testament is filled with war and genocide.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102476 - 09/26/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Blah blah blah, no one gives a shit that's why no one riots when the Virgin Mary poops blood on the Pope.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102477 - 09/26/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It's quite sad that them censoring this episode probably saved human lives. The problem is not with South Park.




My thoughts exactly. This isn't censorship. Censorship is when the government steps in and says "No". This is self censorship by Comedy Central to protect both their assets and any individuals who might be harmed by Islamist asshats.




You are wrong.
Censorship can be done by any individual, organization, or government. I am not saying that Comedy Central HAS to show this. It is their full right not to. However, I disagree with there political correctness on the issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

Political censorship occurs when governments conceal secrets from their citizens. The logic is to prevent the free expression needed to revolt. Democracies do not officially approve of political censorship but often endorse it privately. Any dissent against the government is thought to be a “weakness” for the enemy to exploit. Campaign tactics are also kept secret: see the Watergate scandal.
Religious censorship is the means by which any material objectionable to a certain faith is removed. This often involves a dominant religion forcing limitations on less dominant ones. Alternatively, one religion may shun the works of another when they believe the content is not appropriate for their faith.
Corporate censorship is the process by which editors in corporate media outlets intervene to halt the publishing of information that portrays their business or business partners in a negative light. Privately owned corporations in the business of reporting the news also sometimes refuse to distribute information due to the potential loss of advertiser revenue or shareholder value which adverse publicity may bring.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102479 - 09/26/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im sick of religious zealots. Make fun, burn, rip them all to the ground, if you can't handle it don't watch or listen.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102487 - 09/26/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Maybee YOU dont care, but certain indivuals DO

99.9% of which are decent enough not to riot about it....Dont speak for Christianity as a whole......


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102500 - 09/26/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned, only government is capable of censorship in any legal sense. Corporations and organizations practice self censorship, and whatever they censor is within their constituency of privacy, thus it's not worth whining over. It seems you almost WANT South Park to spark wide spread chaos in the third world. Yea, well, you know what? Emberassing Muslim radicals has a price, usually whoever they just killed in the midst of their religio-centric hissy fits. I'm all for pushing the boundaries of social mores in satire and comedy, but when satire has the potential to cause harm to people and property, it loses all redeeming value.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102613 - 09/26/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Stupid indeed. Double standards indeed. If somebody is for freedom of making mockery of Jesus, there is no doubt he has to stand for freedom of making mockery of Muhamed. Indeed, it may provoke these transparent holders, but who gives u ****? It was actually the same battle and same thing 30 years ago whith lunatic Christians who where for censorship about religious icons. Is this a free country or not? Can we stand the fact there are some lunatics around, or not? This fact never stopped process of deliberation, but quiet contrary. And I am glad about that.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Crobih]
    #6102635 - 09/26/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, it is a free country, that's why no one's forcing Comedy Central to satirize Mohammed. It seems to me that's what alot of people would want, despite their disclaimers that they're all "for free speech". No, Comedy Central will not allow Stone and Trey to make fun of Mohammed. Big deal. Stone and Trey are obviously not too distraught over this, otherwise they would have parted ways with Comedy Central and they have not done this. Comedy Central is not the fucking government, hence why this QQ whine/bitch/moan thread is somewhat funny.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102874 - 09/26/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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this QQ whine/bitch/moan thread is somewhat funny.




my thoughts exactly, however I was under the impression you were bitching and moaning moreso than anyone else.

plus south park already did an episode with mohammed.. super adventure friends or something like that. and probably another one too





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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102890 - 09/26/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Really? Were do I say that I want South Park to "spark widespread chaos"? Were is our proof in this thread? Please point it out, to bring clout to your assumption. Seems like the most humorous element of this thread is your reaction, stating something I never said or implied.


If you find this thread so trivial, why even respond? There are people here in the community that also take my stance that this is biased.

I will defend the right of Comedy Central to NOT show what they dont want. Doesn't mean I cant pull them out on the carpet, to show the bias they choose.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6102905 - 09/26/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is what you want to see, don't you..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAmijQ-Uo0&mode=related&search=


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102929 - 09/26/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

did you read the first few comments?

Quote:

What in the hell is that?
I'm a Muslim dude, never seen this, aperantly this isnt in Islam...
I wonder who did that and uploaded it, This really violates What god mentioned in the Quran... *sighs*




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Very funny, I gone to mosque many time. Never say this.




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ABOLOF COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT- [4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in WAR.NOT IN PEACE)




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Very funny, I gone to mosque many time. Never seen this rubbish before???.




it's quite obvious you are part of the problem, not the solution.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102936 - 09/26/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Again, were is your evidence?
Do not TELL me, what I want to see. If you dont agree with my argument, that is fine, but I WILL NOT stand for you to think for my being or misquote me. Your assumptions are blind and misguided


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    #6102940 - 09/26/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lol


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    #6102957 - 09/26/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Again, were is your evidence?
Do not TELL me, what I want to see. If you dont agree with my argument, that is fine, but I WILL NOT stand for you to think for my being or misquote me. Your assumptions are blind and misguided




Your original post was some whine tittery about Comedy Central being biased. Biased against what and for whom?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102970 - 09/26/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no basis for your assumptions, but laughter.


You will not answer the previous requests for citing were I want "widespread chaos'?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6102992 - 09/26/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Basilides said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Again, were is your evidence?
Do not TELL me, what I want to see. If you dont agree with my argument, that is fine, but I WILL NOT stand for you to think for my being or misquote me. Your assumptions are blind and misguided




Your original post was some whine tittery about Comedy Central being biased. Biased against what and for whom?





If you cannot extrapolate the bias by yourself, by God.......

and

You look to be the one "whining" the most (this opinion is shared by more then just myself)


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    #6103008 - 09/26/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Because when you say "bias" this seems to imply an Anti-Christian bias, giving the War on Jesus that Comedy Central is allowing South Park to undertake. I see Comedy Central as being afraid of Muslims, not "biased" one way or the other. I think this is fairly obvious.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6103024 - 09/26/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You people are complicating the issue. Of course there is a double standard here, but there are double standards everywhere. There are just certain people you can't offend. Christians are not one of them.

Remember what happened with those damned cartoons? You want to see more people die because of a south park episode?
Does that make the censorship right? of course not, but if it saves peoples lives, then it is worth it.

It is also illegal in many countries to question the holocaust. It is the only event in the history of the universe which is illegal to question, with punishment of jail. Is this a double standard, you bet.

Whether you like it or not, there are double standards in this world, and I just hope it shows people the truth. If Muslims can't be offended with out retaliating in violence, better we know. If you can't question the holocaust with out being thrown in jail, I ask why, the truth should always hold up, to ANY amount of scrutiny.

All I know is Christians are getting the raw end of the deal, we are ON limits for ANYTHING.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6103718 - 09/26/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, then you believe liberty should be exchanged for security?

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Viveka]
    #6103864 - 09/26/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

While I agree with you that "liberty>security" I don't think this is the issue here. This was a private entity censoring itself. It has its own interest at heart, and did what it thought would be best to protect them. If this scenario involved the government censoring Comedy Central, I would agree with you.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6104057 - 09/26/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good point. I was arguing more about the idea that Comedy Central should choose to stifle expression because it might lead to violence here, there or elsewhere, who knows, in response to another poster who raised this possibility. I don't think the argument liberty>security is relegated to the public sector.

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    #6104111 - 09/26/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, I don't, but you can tell the dead people from the danish embassy all about our great liberties that allowed us to publish the cartoons that most likely got them killed.

All I am saying is if we are going to insult Islam, we better be able to do something when they act out of line. Say they start rioting and killing, we bomb the fuck out of them. We unfortunately won't do that, and our government won't stand up for us, so we should not piss them off.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6105721 - 09/26/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It was a Danish paper that printed the cartoons...

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6106001 - 09/27/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If insulting Mohammed causes Muslims to wage wide spread riots, I'd hate to see how "bombing the fuck out of them" would make them feel.

I simply support whatever and however the private sector wishes to function. If they wish to self-censor, that is fine. If Comedy Central allowed South Park to do their hit on Mohammed, they would have the right to. But, while they have the right to, that doesn't make it responsible.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6106062 - 09/27/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"All I know is Christians are getting the raw end of the deal, we are ON limits for ANYTHING.

Muslims and Jews seem to have special rules. "

in america? hah... try living in the middle east.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: kotik]
    #6106474 - 09/27/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It is actually quite disparaging that a religion, like Islam, would even bring up this subject matter; FROM A FUCKING CARTOON!


With all of the above said, would it be safe to say that Christians are more enlightened on how to handle slanderous assaults on their religion, versus Muslims?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6106501 - 09/27/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Their culture is much different from ours, they handle offensive things differently. Both religions are failed anyways, so it doesn't really matter,.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6106631 - 09/27/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Comedy Central had very solid reasons to assume that the aftermath of this "comedy" might well be very unfunny, and they refuse to take part in a "free speech crusade".

People can argue that it should not be, but Comedy Central is a business and chose to stay out of this, which is quite understandable if you see what those innocent Mohammed satire pics did, and the level of comedy South Park stands for.

But to remove bias, how about censoring chistian stuff too?
Somehow I didn't think that'd be satisfactory :grin:

When freedom of speech results in sincerely hurting lots of people with nothing to gain but the freedom to make blasphemous TV, it is the civilized thing to do to step back, which CC did.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Asante]
    #6106656 - 09/27/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I understand your viewpoints but let me reiterate a question I posed:
(this is the 500lb guerrilla in the room)


Is Christianity able to react in a more positive light (activism), when faced with disparaging remarks about it's religion, compared to Islam?

I think the answer is clear.


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    #6106707 - 09/27/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Is Christianity able to react in a more positive light (activism), when faced with disparaging remarks about it's religion, compared to Islam?

I think the answer is clear.





Too clear to be true.

If the majority of christians lived under the conditions the majority of muslims live under, they'd be the badguy.

There are pro life christians who blew up abortion clinics and shot abortion doctors, but the majority of the religion isn't judged by their standard, like the western opinion on most muslims is held hostage by the image of muslim extremists.

But, America isn't far from breeding some Christian fundamentalist gunmen and pipe bombers of their own.

Muslims aren't inferior people nor is Islam an inferior religion. It changes a LOT whether you live in the USA or in the middle-east, look what that did for the Israelis.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6107044 - 09/27/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A significant portion of the developing/third world is Muslim. With many Muslims barely getting enough bread on their tables, Islam is all they have. When well off Westerners in developed countries insult everything that gives meaning to their lives, the situation will inevitably generate the conditions for a fire storm of unprecedented outrage. The political climate of Muslim societies and Western foreign policy also does not help the situation.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6107231 - 09/27/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wiccan seeker stated : There are pro life Christians who blew up abortion clinics and shot abortion doctors, but the majority of the religion isn't judged by their standard, like the western opinion on most muslims is held hostage by the image of muslim extremists


^^^^^^^^
I'm sorry, but when a corporation has to censor a cartoon, for the fear of violence from a religion, that is bullshit. How many Christians have committed acts from a cartoon? Obviously not to many, or Comedy Central would have done the same thing.


Basildes stated :A significant portion of the developing/third world is Muslim. With many Muslims barely getting enough bread on their tables, Islam is all they have. When well off Westerners in developed countries insult everything that gives meaning to their lives, the situation will inevitably generate the conditions for a fire storm of unprecedented outrage. The political climate of Muslim societies and Western foreign policy also does not help the situation.


^^^^^^^^^^^^
Their situation does not give them any credence to do what they do. Would it be OK for a devoutly religious and homeless person in America to mock Muhammad, but not a rich one? I find it funny that there is no other religion that cartoons have to look out for, but Islam.


The problem is Islam, not a cartoon mocking it.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6107297 - 09/27/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is Islam




And the solution to this is...? Destroy Islam? Make fun of Islam until it vanishes out of thin air?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6107454 - 09/27/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I not sure what your post means. Hopefully you are not trying to say that I advocate the destruction of Islam. (lets remember, you falsely assumed I wanted chaos to begin with)


The only solution that I do see, comes from within Islam itself. They should be the ones policing themselves. However, this has not happened in the past, and the future looks pretty bleak. All in all., it is fucking sad that a religion is in this type of state; it is 2006, not 545 B.C.


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    #6107490 - 09/27/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is Islam, not a cartoon mocking it.





Nope, the problem consists of the sensitivities of muslim extremists as well as the strong desire by the South Park crew to insult everything in the worst way possible.

Muslim extremists
Comedy extremists

The problem here is that some people on both sides tend to take things too far.


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    #6107518 - 09/27/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Islam didn't exist in 545 BC, but that's besides the point.

Like I said, Islam is a bit swordsy. Mohammed wasn't exactly a turn-the-other-cheek spiritual figure, but he was neither the genocidal maniac some try to paint him as. If you want Muslims to reclaim their religion, making fun of it is obviously not the route to go. I believe it was Redstorm who once said that even the most violent and radical of ideologies can exist peacefully and marginally in a politically and economically stable country. Even if Islam did contain outright commands to indiscriminately slay non-believers (which it does not), the religion would still be able to tame itself in stable geo-political climates that are not laden with strife.

The world simply needs to have patience with Islam. Ridiculing the religion, and lamenting over the subsequent self-emberassment of Muslims that will follow when they riot, is the fool's encouragement of reform. It is impatient, it is intolerant of gradual transition, and most of all, it is not effective.


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    #6107561 - 09/27/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Nope.

Making an offensive cartoon, is not that same as killing somone in rage.


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    #6107589 - 09/27/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Islam didn't exist in 545 BC, but that's besides the point.

Like I said, Islam is a bit swordsy. Mohammed wasn't exactly a turn-the-other-cheek spiritual figure, but he was neither the genocidal maniac some try to paint him as. If you want Muslims to reclaim their religion, making fun of it is obviously not the route to go. I believe it was Redstorm who once said that even the most violent and radical of ideologies can exist peacefully and marginally in a politically and economically stable country. Even if Islam did contain outright commands to indiscriminately slay non-believers (which it does not), the religion would still be able to tame itself in stable geo-political climates that are not laden with strife.

The world simply needs to have patience with Islam. Ridiculing the religion, and lamenting over the subsequent self-emberassment of Muslims that will follow when they riot, is the fool's encouragement of reform. It is impatient, it is intolerant of gradual transition, and most of all, it is not effective.





Patience with Islam...? How long you suggest? Why should they get more time to become "civilized". What about Buddhists or Hindus? Definitely not the richest people on earth. Where is their rage?

I find it funny that we should handle people with kid gloves. Boo Fucking hoo.

(I was not making a 545 BC time reference to the founding of Islam, but rather, for the most part that people dont live in caves anymore)


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6107679 - 09/27/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?

People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.

To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6108115 - 09/27/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Outside of the prospect of somehow managing the task of eradicating a 1,400 year old religion, I'm afraid the world really has no choice but to be patient with Islamic reform. Just what do you personally propose as a solution? All I'm seeing from you is a diatribe as to why Islam is bad, with no conclusion as to what to do about the perspective problem as you see it. Either advocate the destruction and abolition of Islam, or actually contribute a rational conclusion as to how the world should deal with the problems associated with Islam's rough edges. You said it yourself, change has to come from Muslims themselves. There is a significant amount of Muslims who do wish for Islam to enter the 21st century with the rest of the world. When people ridicule the religion as inherently violent and incompitable with the modern world, this makes the task of reform among moderate Muslims that much harder and more difficult. This approach that reform in Islam is impossible borderlines apocalyptic-thinking, as it implies a clash of cultures that seemingly has no solution or end as so called detractors of the "Religion of Peace" themselves assert that there is no common ground between the two worlds. Islam, as a religion and as a culture, is a permanent appurtenance of the world and its cultures. This is not the End Times, and ideologues aside, patience is the method the developed world has already adopted, as Comedy Central has demonstrated.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6108140 - 09/27/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?

People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.

To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.




What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6108504 - 09/27/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Muslims must police themselves.
They must do this in a timely fashion, in order to gain any respect. You ask me for a solution, I don't have one. I will never advocate the extermination of a people, but I will not tolerate these same people taking such offense to things, that American entities feel the must censor material on their behalf. Its time to grow up.


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    #6108544 - 09/27/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.




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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6108827 - 09/27/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.








And you do? Your "tolerance and patience" routine?
Meanwhile bombs will still go off, and simple cartoons cant be shown. Come on. Your solution holds about the same amount as mine!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6109204 - 09/27/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?

People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.

To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.




What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.




Okay, replace Christians with whites. Happy?

No, just bomb the countries where our embassies get over run, mainly the people trying to over run the embassies.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6109432 - 09/27/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Islam was never started in hatred of jews or christians, Christians were referred to as people of the book, and muslims also believed jesus christ was a important profit. Islam traces its religious routes directly at the time Abraham abandoned Hagar and her concubine son Ishmael when Rebecca concieved Issac, When they were cast into the desert this is where islam traces off of.

It wasnt till after Mohammad's death that Islam started becoming militant, Factional sects of Islam broke off, mostly determining on the succession of caliphates. When Islam occupied Jurasalem the jews and muslims got together very well finely, as well as Moor controlled Spain with jews. Muslims usually regarded jews as brothers if not cousins, This stems back from the ancient persians who under Cyrus the Great helped rebuild the Jewish temple and was regarded in the Torah as well Old Testament bible a very holy and revered man.
Of course Persians were Zaraostrian at that time but they eventually converted into Islam.

When the crusaders reached Jerusalem and other towns they were completely sacked, and all the inhabitants (jews as well as arabs) had their heads hacked off, and it seemed this type of retaliation became frequent as arab armies conquered christian towns.

To me i dont think that Muslims in that era were anymore brutal or violent then western culture.

Islams militancy today is a ressurection of Wahabbis and Salafism, and if the trend keeps going of knocking out arab states and erecting puppet governments or encouraging more violence in the region, then moderate muslims start to lose their voice and the militants become more credible.

If this trend continues then it could be quite feasible, of monthly attacks on soft targets here in Europe or the States.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6110189 - 09/28/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.








And you do? Your "tolerance and patience" routine?
Meanwhile bombs will still go off, and simple cartoons cant be shown. Come on. Your solution holds about the same amount as mine!!!!!!!!!




My solution involves the non-isolation of Muslims, an isolation which your approach effectively generates. My solution involves driving a wedge between mainstream Islam and the radical diatribes of fundamentalist Islam. Your solution is to sit with one's thumb up their ass while one complains about how wicked and barbaric Islam is with the imbecilic hope that if you insult the religion enough, Muslims will magically and well intently enter the modern world. Your solution nudges more and more otherwise moderate Muslims towards radicalism, as it merely increases the prevailing notion among Muslims that there is a world wide conspiracy against Islam to supress it. Again, this is not the End Times - so there is no need for one to read like an apocalyptic doomsayer.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6110195 - 09/28/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
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alpharedecho said:
Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?

People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.

To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.




What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.




Okay, replace Christians with whites. Happy?

No, just bomb the countries where our embassies get over run, mainly the people trying to over run the embassies.




The developed world, my friend, is not "White" nor "Christian". It is cosmopolitan, especially in the 20th and 21st centuries.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6110292 - 09/28/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if mohamed came back we'd kill him

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6110300 - 09/28/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.








And you do? Your "tolerance and patience" routine?
Meanwhile bombs will still go off, and simple cartoons cant be shown. Come on. Your solution holds about the same amount as mine!!!!!!!!!




My solution involves the non-isolation of Muslims, an isolation which your approach effectively generates. My solution involves driving a wedge between mainstream Islam and the radical diatribes of fundamentalist Islam. Your solution is to sit with one's thumb up their ass while one complains about how wicked and barbaric Islam is with the imbecilic hope that if you insult the religion enough, Muslims will magically and well intently enter the modern world. Your solution nudges more and more otherwise moderate Muslims towards radicalism, as it merely increases the prevailing notion among Muslims that there is a world wide conspiracy against Islam to supress it. Again, this is not the End Times - so there is no need for one to read like an apocalyptic doomsayer.






No, your solution involves the thumb up the ass (for a longer period of time), with you "compassion and patience". If you think that it is somehow my fault, that a group of Muslims will react violently to a cartoon, is pure lunacy.


Just so we are all clear here......what it this wedge you will be driving between the two sects? What is the process, and how do you plan to implement it?


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6110363 - 09/28/06 07:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

compassion and patience no doubt


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: quiver]
    #6110559 - 09/28/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You people are all idiots and you are complicating the issue.

Ask yourselves this question: what were parker and stone trying to say with their newer "rip on jesus" episode"?

They are merely stating that htere is a double standard. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6110847 - 09/28/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
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alpharedecho said:
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Basilides said:
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alpharedecho said:
Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?

People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.

To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.




What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.




Okay, replace Christians with whites. Happy?

No, just bomb the countries where our embassies get over run, mainly the people trying to over run the embassies.




The developed world, my friend, is not "White" nor "Christian". It is cosmopolitan, especially in the 20th and 21st centuries.




Look at the G8, yeah quite the cosmopolitan, you have white, and Japanese.

Anyway, it's not about that. The fact is, when our embassies start getting over run, it's time to bust out the machine guns, not sit back while people get killed.

People have a right to self defense, using deadly means, if necessary.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6110923 - 09/28/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Look at the G8, yeah quite the cosmopolitan, you have white, and Japanese.





America, to name one, ISN'T WHITE. I don't have the statistics but I think its safe to say one in three or four peopled in the US isn't an anglosaxon, or whatever the criterium is.

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The fact is, when our embassies start getting over run, it's time to bust out the machine guns, not sit back while people get killed.




When an embassy is overrun you evacuate it. You're confusing it with a military base. An embassy of a nation is a *guest* in the host country, thats why most embassies are casual about property damage when theres a riot somewhere.

Please note how almost any storming of an embassy anywhere results mostly in property damage, not a bloodbath.


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    #6110943 - 09/28/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, and during that evacuation, you happen to lose a few.....fair enough!

1 death is too many, it doesn't have to be a bloodbath.

BTW up until about 30 years ago, America was 90% white, so take that melting pot shit somewhere else.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6111204 - 09/28/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The difference here is that I present a solution.

You do not. We already know there is a problem with the Muslim world. Muslims who wish to take up arms against the civilized world will always be killed for the security of others, but where your approach fails utterly is when you begin to broach Muslims who do not pick up guns. You have no diplomatic approach.

The world needs to give moderate Muslims a reason to reform. Right now, with Muslim countries being invaded/bombed left and right (literally) by Western powers, the majority of Muslims have no reason to reform - because as they see it, the "civilized world" is waging a war on their religion and culture.

And yes, patience (or compassion, however you wish to call it) is the only option short of destroying the Islamic religion as a whole. You seem to forget that Islam is here to stay. You do not insult what is now historically eternal if your goal is cosmopolitan, not political and cultural duality. Reform is the only viable option. There are no other options. Emberassing Muslims is not an option. Calling Islam inherently violent to the face of every man, woman and child is not an option. Bombing Muslim countries into submission is not an option. The only option is diplomacy, regardless how painfully long it takes. It is either diplomacy my friend, or a war of elimination and cultural dominance.

You have no solution. The rest of the world does, and that is why many for the most part are attempting to build bridges, not burn them down.

What is your solution? You have none. You're just sitting there (ass and thumb) shouting "Islam is bad". Again, either advocate the elimination of Islam, or contribute something that isn't completely benighted with apocalyptic dualism.

Personally, I think you're simply on a fence - with rational thought on one side, and your contempt for Islam and Muslims on the other. It shows in your willingness to avoid diplomacy while attempting to rationalize it at the same time. You're a smart guy, you should be intelligent enough to see that diplomacy is the only answer short of elimination. You say you will never advocate such an elimination, hence why you are drawing a blank when I ask what your solution is.

At any rate, I'm done here. I enjoyed the discussion.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111285 - 09/28/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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1 death is too many, it doesn't have to be a bloodbath.




Why the machine guns then?

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The fact is, when our embassies start getting over run, it's time to bust out the machine guns, not sit back while people get killed.





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BTW up until about 30 years ago, America was 90% white, so take that melting pot shit somewhere else.




Melting pot shit? :lol:

Even a 90% white country isn't a white country, and a 10% minority across millions of people is a HUGE minority.

So a 10% minority should be swept under the rug? I think not.

I don't believe in a melting pot, but in a salad bowl. A melting pot turns every different thing into one and the same. That's wrong.

A salad bowl however is interesting because of all the colors, shapes, textures and tastes. People should retain their diversity. If you throw a tasty salad in a blender, you end up with a bland dish.

This is the reason behind the campaigns to be welcoming of diversity: its best for all involved.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Asante]
    #6111331 - 09/28/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You couldn't be more flawed. How does a people maintain their distinct culture when they integrate and intermarry on a massive scale. If that were to happen, in so many generations eventually we will all look the same, and believe the same thing. I don't want that, that is why I propose we keep some countries separate, for those who choose.

If massive immigration keeps happening, and people continue down this path, eventually all cultures and ethnicities will be merged into one. I know this will take a very long time, but the point is, it WILL happen eventually.

Also, your blood bath comment is very aggravating.

I hope you are in an embassy one day, and a cartoon causes the native population to over run it.

Then, when there are no arms in said embassy, you will think of me. Of course that is just wishful thinking.(no I do not wish any harm on you, just trying to show a point).

You try and downplay the act of violence when it is in retaliation to a cartoon, but you call it a blood bath when it is in self defense.

Sometimes I think people are too "evolved" for their own good.

I am a firm believer in survival of the fittest.


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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112124 - 09/28/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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BTW up until about 30 years ago, America was 90% white, so take that melting pot shit somewhere else.




We don't live 30 years ago. We live now, in the present, where those statistics are not the truth.

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Redstorm]
    #6112139 - 09/28/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I do, I have time machine!


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6112676 - 09/28/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We disagree, And I never stated that about Islam.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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