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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: kotik]
#6106474 - 09/27/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is actually quite disparaging that a religion, like Islam, would even bring up this subject matter; FROM A FUCKING CARTOON!
With all of the above said, would it be safe to say that Christians are more enlightened on how to handle slanderous assaults on their religion, versus Muslims?
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6106501 - 09/27/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Their culture is much different from ours, they handle offensive things differently. Both religions are failed anyways, so it doesn't really matter,.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6106631 - 09/27/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Comedy Central had very solid reasons to assume that the aftermath of this "comedy" might well be very unfunny, and they refuse to take part in a "free speech crusade".
People can argue that it should not be, but Comedy Central is a business and chose to stay out of this, which is quite understandable if you see what those innocent Mohammed satire pics did, and the level of comedy South Park stands for.
But to remove bias, how about censoring chistian stuff too? Somehow I didn't think that'd be satisfactory 
When freedom of speech results in sincerely hurting lots of people with nothing to gain but the freedom to make blasphemous TV, it is the civilized thing to do to step back, which CC did.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Asante]
#6106656 - 09/27/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I understand your viewpoints but let me reiterate a question I posed: (this is the 500lb guerrilla in the room)
Is Christianity able to react in a more positive light (activism), when faced with disparaging remarks about it's religion, compared to Islam?
I think the answer is clear.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6106707 - 09/27/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is Christianity able to react in a more positive light (activism), when faced with disparaging remarks about it's religion, compared to Islam?
I think the answer is clear.
Too clear to be true.
If the majority of christians lived under the conditions the majority of muslims live under, they'd be the badguy.
There are pro life christians who blew up abortion clinics and shot abortion doctors, but the majority of the religion isn't judged by their standard, like the western opinion on most muslims is held hostage by the image of muslim extremists.
But, America isn't far from breeding some Christian fundamentalist gunmen and pipe bombers of their own.
Muslims aren't inferior people nor is Islam an inferior religion. It changes a LOT whether you live in the USA or in the middle-east, look what that did for the Israelis.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6107044 - 09/27/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A significant portion of the developing/third world is Muslim. With many Muslims barely getting enough bread on their tables, Islam is all they have. When well off Westerners in developed countries insult everything that gives meaning to their lives, the situation will inevitably generate the conditions for a fire storm of unprecedented outrage. The political climate of Muslim societies and Western foreign policy also does not help the situation.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6107231 - 09/27/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan seeker stated : There are pro life Christians who blew up abortion clinics and shot abortion doctors, but the majority of the religion isn't judged by their standard, like the western opinion on most muslims is held hostage by the image of muslim extremists
^^^^^^^^ I'm sorry, but when a corporation has to censor a cartoon, for the fear of violence from a religion, that is bullshit. How many Christians have committed acts from a cartoon? Obviously not to many, or Comedy Central would have done the same thing.
Basildes stated :A significant portion of the developing/third world is Muslim. With many Muslims barely getting enough bread on their tables, Islam is all they have. When well off Westerners in developed countries insult everything that gives meaning to their lives, the situation will inevitably generate the conditions for a fire storm of unprecedented outrage. The political climate of Muslim societies and Western foreign policy also does not help the situation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^ Their situation does not give them any credence to do what they do. Would it be OK for a devoutly religious and homeless person in America to mock Muhammad, but not a rich one? I find it funny that there is no other religion that cartoons have to look out for, but Islam.
The problem is Islam, not a cartoon mocking it.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6107297 - 09/27/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is Islam
And the solution to this is...? Destroy Islam? Make fun of Islam until it vanishes out of thin air?
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6107454 - 09/27/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I not sure what your post means. Hopefully you are not trying to say that I advocate the destruction of Islam. (lets remember, you falsely assumed I wanted chaos to begin with)
The only solution that I do see, comes from within Islam itself. They should be the ones policing themselves. However, this has not happened in the past, and the future looks pretty bleak. All in all., it is fucking sad that a religion is in this type of state; it is 2006, not 545 B.C.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6107490 - 09/27/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is Islam, not a cartoon mocking it.
Nope, the problem consists of the sensitivities of muslim extremists as well as the strong desire by the South Park crew to insult everything in the worst way possible.
Muslim extremists Comedy extremists
The problem here is that some people on both sides tend to take things too far.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6107518 - 09/27/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Islam didn't exist in 545 BC, but that's besides the point.
Like I said, Islam is a bit swordsy. Mohammed wasn't exactly a turn-the-other-cheek spiritual figure, but he was neither the genocidal maniac some try to paint him as. If you want Muslims to reclaim their religion, making fun of it is obviously not the route to go. I believe it was Redstorm who once said that even the most violent and radical of ideologies can exist peacefully and marginally in a politically and economically stable country. Even if Islam did contain outright commands to indiscriminately slay non-believers (which it does not), the religion would still be able to tame itself in stable geo-political climates that are not laden with strife.
The world simply needs to have patience with Islam. Ridiculing the religion, and lamenting over the subsequent self-emberassment of Muslims that will follow when they riot, is the fool's encouragement of reform. It is impatient, it is intolerant of gradual transition, and most of all, it is not effective.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Asante]
#6107561 - 09/27/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope.
Making an offensive cartoon, is not that same as killing somone in rage.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6107589 - 09/27/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Islam didn't exist in 545 BC, but that's besides the point.
Like I said, Islam is a bit swordsy. Mohammed wasn't exactly a turn-the-other-cheek spiritual figure, but he was neither the genocidal maniac some try to paint him as. If you want Muslims to reclaim their religion, making fun of it is obviously not the route to go. I believe it was Redstorm who once said that even the most violent and radical of ideologies can exist peacefully and marginally in a politically and economically stable country. Even if Islam did contain outright commands to indiscriminately slay non-believers (which it does not), the religion would still be able to tame itself in stable geo-political climates that are not laden with strife.
The world simply needs to have patience with Islam. Ridiculing the religion, and lamenting over the subsequent self-emberassment of Muslims that will follow when they riot, is the fool's encouragement of reform. It is impatient, it is intolerant of gradual transition, and most of all, it is not effective.
Patience with Islam...? How long you suggest? Why should they get more time to become "civilized". What about Buddhists or Hindus? Definitely not the richest people on earth. Where is their rage?
I find it funny that we should handle people with kid gloves. Boo Fucking hoo.
(I was not making a 545 BC time reference to the founding of Islam, but rather, for the most part that people dont live in caves anymore)
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6107679 - 09/27/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?
People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.
To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6108115 - 09/27/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Outside of the prospect of somehow managing the task of eradicating a 1,400 year old religion, I'm afraid the world really has no choice but to be patient with Islamic reform. Just what do you personally propose as a solution? All I'm seeing from you is a diatribe as to why Islam is bad, with no conclusion as to what to do about the perspective problem as you see it. Either advocate the destruction and abolition of Islam, or actually contribute a rational conclusion as to how the world should deal with the problems associated with Islam's rough edges. You said it yourself, change has to come from Muslims themselves. There is a significant amount of Muslims who do wish for Islam to enter the 21st century with the rest of the world. When people ridicule the religion as inherently violent and incompitable with the modern world, this makes the task of reform among moderate Muslims that much harder and more difficult. This approach that reform in Islam is impossible borderlines apocalyptic-thinking, as it implies a clash of cultures that seemingly has no solution or end as so called detractors of the "Religion of Peace" themselves assert that there is no common ground between the two worlds. Islam, as a religion and as a culture, is a permanent appurtenance of the world and its cultures. This is not the End Times, and ideologues aside, patience is the method the developed world has already adopted, as Comedy Central has demonstrated.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6108140 - 09/27/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?
People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.
To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.
What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6108504 - 09/27/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Muslims must police themselves. They must do this in a timely fashion, in order to gain any respect. You ask me for a solution, I don't have one. I will never advocate the extermination of a people, but I will not tolerate these same people taking such offense to things, that American entities feel the must censor material on their behalf. Its time to grow up.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6108544 - 09/27/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6108827 - 09/27/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said:
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SirTripAlot said: You ask me for a solution, I don't have one.
And you do? Your "tolerance and patience" routine? Meanwhile bombs will still go off, and simple cartoons cant be shown. Come on. Your solution holds about the same amount as mine!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Censor for the sake of the Muslims, (Fuck You Southpark!) [Re: Basilides]
#6109204 - 09/27/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said:
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alpharedecho said: Good point with the Buddhists and Hindus?
People often try to blame violent behaviour on economic status. While it does play a role, it is not nearly as significant as the general culture of the people.
To the person who responded to me earlier by saying "Yeah bomb the Muslims, and see if doesn't piss them off" or what ever was said, I did not say it wouldn't piss them off. It would let them know who's boss and to stop killink our people(Christians) over fucking cartoons.
What does "bomb the Muslims" even mean? Bomb the ones firing guns? They're already doing that. Are you suggesting that Muslim civilians should be bombed? Your suggestion is so black and right, it's a sworn enemy of rational thought. You even describe first worlders as "Christians" which is a density only Osama could top.
Okay, replace Christians with whites. Happy?
No, just bomb the countries where our embassies get over run, mainly the people trying to over run the embassies.
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