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mipa
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estaza how much alcohol over the cactus?
#6075314 - 09/18/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am just trying to figure out if I want to make a couple doses do I just fill up the jar above the level of the dried material or double the dried material- exactly how many washes do you do? I am just wondering because the everclear is kinda hard to get (we have to fill out a form telling them what we will be using it for and then they will special order it). I want to know how much of it I will be using so i know how much to get. If it is impossible (hopefully it won't be) for me to get the everclear is there a substitute? I can buy online but shipping makes it like 27$ a bottle! Also I can only get fresh so- do I just dry everything or is there parts that have to be removed? Thanks I know you may have answered but I've been reading all day!
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6075397 - 09/18/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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half inch to an inch over the top of the dried material.
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6075403 - 09/18/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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3 washes, u might wanna soak for days at a time.
I use 99% isopropyl, soak the dried material 3 days, strain, add fresh alcohol to the material and repeat a third time collecting ur solution into one jar. Evap in a baking dish and encapsulate.
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thedudenj
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6076272 - 09/18/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i say do washes until nothing comes out. you can see when you let it sit the layers seperate notice here when the stuff is kicked it wont turn black and you will know
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: thedudenj]
#6076296 - 09/18/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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my question is has anyone extracted pedro and torch into one tar or both those and peyote or other types im gona start growing pedro and im gona graft it to torch and have a torch/pedro, a pedro, and torch and then extract them into one tar. it really sounds like it would be good
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: thedudenj]
#6077074 - 09/19/06 07:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh 99% isopropyl... rubbing alcohol? Is the end product safe? I mean is there an isopropyl left and if there is is it safe to consume? Boy rubbing alcohol would be easy enough to get... and alot cheeper!
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6077462 - 09/19/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just realized I spelled ekstaza's name wrong... sorry!
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thedudenj
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6078013 - 09/19/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah man use Iso i use 91% and sometimes 70% i noticed if you add 3 drams of water your final produce when fully evaporated will be aobut 2 1/2 drams and you can put it in a vial and it will be fluid like
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: thedudenj]
#6081301 - 09/20/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can get 91% at the drug store... I would rather not have to order the 99% online... I don't want to be ordering a bunch of suspicious looking stuff on my credit card. Considering I have already ordered some weird stuff like a mushroom grow kit and capsules and cactus etc. So concensus is 91% is ok? no bad side effects from consumption?
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6082288 - 09/20/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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99% isopropyl is nowhere near suspicious, i just bought 14 bottles of it at safeway and they didnt question me once or write anything down.
it does not leave a residue, but it is poisonous. scientists like it cause they can soak their labware in it, and then let it dry in about 5 seconds do to the high concentration of alcohol and its evaporation time.
the higher concentration of ISO the better. though i dont recommend any alcohol extractions on cactus.
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6082321 - 09/20/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok wait, you said you use it but you don't recommend it? or is that one of those... 'everything I am saying is fiction' type of statements? I am just trying to figure out a way to take cactus without having to gag down a cup of tea or juice etc... I was hoping an alcohol extraction and filling some capsules would work.
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6082329 - 09/20/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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the a/b extraction would yield pure alkaloid, and be sure to get about 99% of the content from the cactus.
alcohol extractions would get about 85%, i have noticed it doesnt get all of it unless u do the extraction for at least 2-3 weeks, and thats with ethanol even, which is better.
my words are fiction, anytime i speak of me doing something like that, im simply meaning ive heard of it, my bio explains everything.
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: CptnGarden]
#6082822 - 09/20/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't care about the time frame... the ab extraction is only for those brave enough to work with chemicals- I have small children running around and can not do that. I'll have to settle for 85%... of course this is fiction and maybe those kids are in my head?... hmmm
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thedudenj
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6082948 - 09/20/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah man A/B loses some of the magic it doesnt get all of the alkaloids. i havent done one yet but i dont think i will because every report i have read about they say that A/b makes it lose alittle
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mipa
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: thedudenj]
#6083885 - 09/20/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I heard the same thing... I think I'll stick with alcohol... now to find a good deal on cacti. I mean come on $25 + shipping for 12"??? Thats crazy! I talked to a guy who can get me some really cheep but not til Thanksgiving! I need a source in the west! It sucks having to buy from a commercial websites.
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thedudenj
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Re: estaza how much alcohol over the cactus? [Re: mipa]
#6087508 - 09/21/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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buy it dried chunnks
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  "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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