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psilomonkey
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Re: More proof that our gov't. is run by thugs [Re: Lion]
#6095044 - 09/24/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If this is true, I would not expect much less to be honest.
Pakistan is a military dictatorship that helped create the Taliban, has admitted being involved in a international nuclear black-market, and then denied access to the main player, Dr. Khan.
Was an international training and funding center for extreme Islam and militant Jihadis, and still is.
I think they got off very lightly.
However I think, actually 'bombing them back to the stone age' would have been extemely dangerous and counter productive.
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zappaisgod
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Re: More proof that our gov't. is run by thugs [Re: zorbman]
#6095216 - 09/24/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zorbman said: Okay. So we have established that Armitage is a long-time Republican functionary and a neocon with a history of intimidation.
No, we have not. He is a diplomat who also served during the Clinton administration. He may be a neo-con but I don't see the history of intimidation established here, although he may well have one. "Outing" Valerie Plame certainly doesn't qualify as intimidation. Armitage is no friend of the Bushies and the "victim" in that whole thing seems to be the upper levels of the Bush admiinistration, who had to deal with endless and groundless speculation that they did something wrong, when Armitage could have 'fessed up anytime. Diplos Gone Wild! Next we'll be seeing his perky breasts on Youtube.

Now that we know a little more about this man people can judge for themselves whether reports by President Musharraf that he made a bullying threat against Pakistan are believable.
Personally, I think he looks like a pussycat.
What's wrong with bullying a thug anyway? He may be a thug but at least he's helping. The whole idea that we threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" is absurd. I don't think we could do it without nukes and they have them too. I certainly doubt Musharaf would be cowed by any kind of absurd threat as that. He didn't get to be President of Pakistan bby being a pussy.
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Re: More proof that our gov't. is run by thugs [Re: zappaisgod]
#6096001 - 09/24/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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very good point
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zorbman
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Re: More proof that our gov't. is run by thugs [Re: zappaisgod]
#6096366 - 09/24/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He is a diplomat who also served during the Clinton administration.
Armitage managed to be held over into the Clinton administration but only served a few brief weeks there, leaving due to policy disagreements.
The vast majority of his time in public life has been served under Republican administrations.
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Re: More proof that our gov't. is run by thugs [Re: zappaisgod]
#6096450 - 09/24/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's wrong with bullying a thug anyway?
Nothing is wrong with being a bully thug if you work for the mob.
It's not about judging thuggish behavior in itself. Armitage works for the U.S.A.
The problem is that the U.S. says, it works to instill democracy around the globe in places that don't have it.
Who is going to believe in the U.S. if its "instiller's of democracy", do not make requests for assistance in the cause, in a diplomatic manor.
If we have to start making threats to do it, then, we become an example of the dictator model we say, we are out to abolish. The U.S. government ends up looking like liars, phonies and hypocrites. It's no surprise so many Americans and people around the globe don't trust their words and view it as rhetoric these days.
They should have sent Powell in to have had that talk with Musharraf instead.
I just heard on 60 minutes that, the threat happened before we first invaded Afghanistan. It's only coming out now because it is in Musharafs new book being released. Bad timing for the U.S. after Chavez's speech.
Here's where I change my tune and blow all of this off as book selling hype.
Considering the U.S. was planning to invade Afghanistan and launch a war on terror and even declared to the globe the words "You are either with us or against us". We all heard what Musharaf was told in private by Armitage, as it was publicly stated (threatened)as well, to everyone on the planet.
Had Musharaf not agreed to help root out terrorist in his country, we would've bombed them too. Armitage just gave him a chance to co-operate before they did that.
The thing is, that private discussion had nothing to do with a democracy mission. It had to do with declarations of war and yes, those are going to be threatening. If you intend to bomb someone, I suppose it is nicer to give them a chance to avoid it first. The thing is, there is nothing democratic about bombing people in retaliation though.
Yeah American Democracy at play!!!!!!!!
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zorbman
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Unless a recording was made of the conversation no one will ever know for sure whether the crude threat was made.
Let me make a confession.. I am proud to be an American. And I do not want a low class SOB representing my country- especially someone who claims to be a diplomat. When you bring the flag of this country, when you represent this nation you better bring some class along with it, you better bring your A-game, mister. Because you represent more than just a political administration passing through- you represent an entire nation.
Be worthy of that awesome responsibility or find your porcine ass another line of work.
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Edited by zorbman (09/26/06 01:42 AM)
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