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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
    #6090828 - 09/22/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Statement means nothing.




Then why are you making them? :smile:


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Action does.




Then what action are you taking? :smile:

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And what I am considering about this statement is that our ethical standards are unadequate to handle evil, so I suppose we should think about that.




Speak for your own ethical standards and ability to mange "evil"  in your life. I don't even beleive in such a thing as evil.

I beleive in One Force- its called unconditional love. Sometimes it is in lack and then you get behavior like violence and greed.

I already did my thinking on it and came to my understanding of how all of this works on multi dimensional levels from the gross to the ultra sublte. I have been raising a daughter who doesn't have it in her to harm a fly and if she did accidentily, would become very upset. She respects life that much. She also chose on her own to become a vegetarian, eats nothing with eyes, donates her allowance money to animal shelters, childrens hospitals and green peace, all on her own, and she is only 9.

I'm taking responcibility for myself , my actions and for the human being I brought into this world.

If you want to dump any more on me, then, I understand your frustration and will suggest posting in P&S to understand how taking self accountability works versus the blame game, the villian victim game, duality perception, polarization conflict, and  seeking understanding over judgement. Fireworksofgod has a pretty good handle on it and will probably be up to helping you work out your frustrations in those areas and come to new understandings if that is what you are seeking.  :smile:

You refused to answer my ONE simple question so I am sorry, I can not help you. It seems you just want to bark at me and whoever will listen. If thats the case, I'll just listen.  :smile:

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6091111 - 09/22/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Talk about personal responsibility is not popular thing and it never was.

World is a dirty place. There are flowers and there is dirt. You want flowers, you need to take care of dirt. I am glad your child is fullfilled with empathy, I am really glad. Yet, empathy and love are not the same thing. Empathy with ignorance creates great pressure. Do not be ignorant, Gjwi. Because ignorance is a root of evil.

Yes. I am not saying you fine things. Sorry for that.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
    #6091294 - 09/22/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would LOVE to see bush goto Venezuela and call their pres. satan without any secret service there to help, in the middle of all their politicians.

Then he could take a trip to Iran and talk some shit there too. At least Roosevelt would have boxed these mfs.


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6093201 - 09/23/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Chavez is trying to spread propaganda about the USA since Chavez made himself into a dictator. Chavez is doing this to weaken his enemies so he can steal as much as that dirty commie can. He doesn't want his enemies getting help from the USA.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6093206 - 09/23/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i wonder if its possible to get politcal assylum in venezuela??...and BTW..theres already a thread on this topic ..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6081858/an/0/page/0




You'd have to put some clothes on first.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Phred]
    #6093213 - 09/23/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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GOP Funds Ahmadinejad-Chavez Speaking Tour
by Scott Ott

(2006-09-21) — The Republican National Committee (RNC) today offered to fund a coast-to-coast U.S. speaking tour featuring Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, in the weeks leading up to November’s Congressional elections.

The offer comes in the wake of two days of public remarks by the two foreign leaders before the United Nations, the Council on Foreign Relations and U.S. news media. Their diplomatic pronouncements included…
– denying the Holocaust,
– calling the U.S. president “the devil“,
– praying at the U.N. for the return of Islam’s fabled 12th Imam,
– praising Cuban dictator Fidel Castro,
– insisting any nation has the right to develop nuclear technology,
– portraying the United States as the locus of evil in the modern world, and
– plugging Noam Chomsky’s book “Hegemony or Survival: America’s Quest for Global Dominance.”

“President Bush can talk about his national security plan and foreign policy all day long,” said an unnamed RNC spokesman, “But no one makes a more compelling case than the duo of Mahmoud and Hugo. We want to make sure every American has an opportunity to hear these important world leaders.”

The Republican source said sponsoring the pre-election Ahmadinejad-Chavez speaking tour was also a way of “reaching across the aisle to help our colleagues in the Democrat party to get their message out, so the American voter can make an informed decision.”



http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2336



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Looks like publicizing the commies and towel head wackjobs will only help the neocon agenda.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Economist]
    #6093231 - 09/23/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So, that is the reason I am neither interested into Izrael conflict (that would not last 5 years if there was no US establishment involved), nor inter-muslim conflicts (that would stay tribe wars in lack of grand common enemy), nor conflicts in Africa, nor anywhere else. There is just no point to be focused on the symptoms when the source of the real problem is rather easily noticed.

And what is the most funny, US establishment makes its people dependent on imperialistic, cancer issues, while in the same time big monopolies destroy free enterprise that built America.




What a load of bull.  Yeah, the US is responsible for all the problems everyhere, sure... :rolleyes:

You can go ahead and continue to blame the US for actions they took to oppose the Soviet Union, pretending that the real threat (the Soviets) had nothing to do with it.  You can blame mismanagement by governments the world over on "US Imperialism" instead of the governments that actually make the mistakes.





The USA is God.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
    #6093244 - 09/23/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Hmh, I am neither great fun of Chavez as long as I do not know much about Venezuela. Though, I know something about Croatia and what does it mean when you have corrupted public workers that will sign/do anything for satisfying their lower astral greed personal from US establishment offer.





Maybe they kicked you out from the higher astral planes because you wouldn't bow down and obey the great Pooba.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Luddite]
    #6093271 - 09/23/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4599260.stm

Gee whiz o flip out. The commies are screwing up Venezuela already and those on the left don't care because they don't live there. They can eat the food the neocons have provided for them.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6093315 - 09/23/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the media has only concentrated on the "devil" comments and has not said a single thing ever about Posada. i didnt notice any of you saying anything either.

I thought it was a very important part of the speech. With that said, i am by no means suprised that there has been a complete media blackout on the matter in favor of superficial coverage (chavez calls bush "devil"). Looking at media coverage and looking at the actual transcript, it is very clear that there is something wrong with the media.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #6093342 - 09/23/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I thought it was a very important part of the speech. With that said, i am by no means suprised that there has been a complete media blackout on the matter in favor of superficial coverage (chavez calls bush "devil"). Looking at media coverage and looking at the actual transcript, it is very clear that there is something wrong with the media.



You mean like how everyone is reporting on 1 line of the Pope's 35-minute long speech?

The media likes it when people are percieved to be insulting each other, and they report accordingly.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: kotik]
    #6095238 - 09/24/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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im opposed to bush, and I think Chavez has been using that same view against us. While I agree with what he says, and I like what he talks about, he's a fucking actor.

He's got a law in his country that makes it a felony to talk bad about the government, or authority in general. I would prefer Bush over Chavez any day, however thats an unfair choice. If Chavez was running a peaceful country himself, I could see more to his speeches, however his policies are even worse than what we have here, so until that changes his opinions are moot to my ears.




I do not find Chavez be somebody who has to be followed with no criticism indeed. Yet, if you are eventually into politics, it is up to you to check out validity of his thoughts and consequences of his speech. What I can notice, his thoughts did some great work for the World public.

About acting. Yes, the current political reality is based on manipulation, acting, etc. And I do not find Chavez, nor any other World famous politician be trustworthy person. And he does not have to be neither. His job was job of promition of some ideas. He succeed in that.

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Luddite]
    #6095244 - 09/24/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Luddite said:
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Crobih said:
Hmh, I am neither great fun of Chavez as long as I do not know much about Venezuela. Though, I know something about Croatia and what does it mean when you have corrupted public workers that will sign/do anything for satisfying their lower astral greed personal from US establishment offer.





Maybe they kicked you out from the higher astral planes because you wouldn't bow down and obey the great Pooba.




Seems like you need some good cleaning of your chakras  :stoned:

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #6095269 - 09/24/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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the media has only concentrated on the "devil" comments and has not said a single thing ever about Posada. i didnt notice any of you saying anything either.

I thought it was a very important part of the speech. With that said, i am by no means suprised that there has been a complete media blackout on the matter in favor of superficial coverage (chavez calls bush "devil"). Looking at media coverage and looking at the actual transcript, it is very clear that there is something wrong with the media.




Welcome to the world of the mass media manipulations. :cool:

Read Chomsky, btw. He made some good points about that. Another one is actually my favourite: Walter Lippmann  :thumbup:

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
    #6095348 - 09/24/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Luddite said:
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Crobih said:
Hmh, I am neither great fun of Chavez as long as I do not know much about Venezuela. Though, I know something about Croatia and what does it mean when you have corrupted public workers that will sign/do anything for satisfying their lower astral greed personal from US establishment offer.





Maybe they kicked you out from the higher astral planes because you wouldn't bow down and obey the great Pooba.




Seems like you need some good cleaning of your chakras  :stoned:





Can a scientist demonstrate the existance of chakras in a laboratory?


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Luddite]
    #6095375 - 09/24/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Self-Loathing and the Denial of Terrorism

BY JAMES LILEKS
c.2006 Newhouse News Service

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More stories by James Lileks

You're an enlightened world citizen. Your T-shirt says "9/11 was an inside job." You're pretty sure we're living in a fascist state, that President Bush taps the Dixie Chicks' phones, Christian abortion clinic bombers outnumber jihadis, and the war on "terror" is a distraction from the real threats: carbon emissions and Pat Robertson. Then you learn that 17 people were arrested in a terrorist bomb plot. How do you process the information? Let's take it step by step.

Gosh, that's horrible, you think. But no -- that's what they WANT you to feel. Recall the prime directive: Question Authority (unless he's a college professor). The plotters must have been impoverished olive farmers radicalized by the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why, if someone came in and toppled your president, you'd go to their country and ... well, you'd thank them. Unless they did it for the wrong reasons! Then you'd blow something up. Like an SUV dealership. At night. Anyway, you understand; you care a lot about Iraqis these days. You think about Iraq more than China, to be honest, but it's not as if you'll scrape off your "Free Tibet" bumper sticker -- unless it's to make room for "Free Darfur." Or "Hands Off Darfur," depending.

Wait a minute: The "terrorists" were Canadian? You can understand someone blowing up trains in Spain and London. They sent troops to an illegal war cooked up by neocons who want to kill brown people for Exxon and Jesus, or something. You can understand, reluctantly, blowing up teens in an Israeli pizza parlor, because the Jews took the West Bank from the sovereign, ancient nation of Palestine. (How can a liberal socialist country behave so poorly? The world is full of mysteries.) But Canada? Isn't Michael Moore from Canada? You can get medical marijuana from married gay doctors in Canada, and no one has guns. You console yourself: Maybe they were really planning to attack the U.S.

You realize the suspects were all Muslim, and you dread the inevitable pogroms. Haven't been any yet, but any day now. You read that a mosque was vandalized in Toronto after the arrest, and you feel a certain grim relief. Finally, racism! Banners. If you're going to have a march, you'll need banners.

But wait. You read that the suspects were not connected to al-Qaida, and you're confused for a moment. Maybe it won't be over if they get Osama bin Laden (provided he isn't really in an supersecret Idaho prison). What if the "terrorists" hate you for their own reasons? The evildoer-in-chief said "they hate our freedoms" -- as if we have freedoms, really, just try and get a bike-messenger job that has full health benefits. But what if rights and mixed-sex education and an economy based on sustainable hemp-based art installations mean nothing to them?

Maybe you could convince them to hold off while you fix Amerikkka. At least you can get it down to one k. Maybe if the Democrats take the House back. A 10-seat swing won't make the imams cool down, but 20 seats, in red states? Would that be a good-faith effort?

You worry this will push Haditha off the front page. It's very important that everyone concentrate on the atrocities committed by U.S. troops every day. (It's such a relief not to have to pretend to support the troops anymore.) Anyway, nothing happened. Nothing blew up. If the suspects were planning something, they didn't do it, and this proves we can handle this as a law enforcement matter. Even though the police are racists.

Your head hurts.

You have a friend in Toronto. She's cool. It would kill her if these arrests were made possible by NSA eavesdropping.

You find yourself almost wishing there was another real attack, so people could see the logical consequences of "fighting back" after 9/11. Yes, it would be bad, but sometimes you have to break an egg to show people the health impact of omelettes. Is it wrong to wish the Canadian terrorists might have succeeded?

Shouldn't you know the answer to that question?

June 7, 2006

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/lileks060706.html

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Luddite]
    #6097756 - 09/25/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You know Chavez was right......when he went up to give the speech it did smell like sulfur, just like when he left, it smelled like pig droppings  :smile:


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6097863 - 09/25/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So... are you saying that Bush smelled like pig shit and Chavez had an eclipsing aura of sulfur stench?  :confused:


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Basilides]
    #6098211 - 09/25/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, Chavez spoke AFTER BUSH....
Hence the smell of sulfur

After Chavez left, it smelled like pig droppings


How did you get confused?


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6098480 - 09/25/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your statement does not make sense. Why would it smell like pig droppings?


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