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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: BrAiN]
#6088296 - 09/21/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: If you meet a Venezuelan that immigrated here since 99.. ask them if they left Venezuela because they were looking for opportunity or because they wanted to get away from Chavez.. then report back here please.
I would also ask them if they were upper or lower class, considering how popular he is among the poor.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Silversoul]
#6088344 - 09/21/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hah.. what's considered upper class in venezuela... *3* magic beans per week?
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Economist]
#6088382 - 09/21/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing more of your view on those questions.
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Iraq is a problem because we thought that the Iraqi people would spontaneously build themselves a government.
Thats the part that concerns me, the "we thought" part. In my 38 years of life, I have learned that no matter how well you plan, things rarely go according to plan. There is always that X factor no one thought of.
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But that's just it, none of this would happen in Iran. We wouldn't even have to change the regime.
What if that statement issued from the WH Admin becomes a
"We thought, none of this(X Factor) would happen in Iran."
Time will tell. 
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: BrAiN]
#6088417 - 09/21/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: hah.. what's considered upper class in venezuela... *3* magic beans per week?
Excellent show of ignorance and cultural chauvanism. Bravo!
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#6088513 - 09/21/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said: What if that statement issued from the WH Admin becomes a
"We thought, none of this(X Factor) would happen in Iran."
Time will tell. 
Do you need to be nuked to confront the fact that doing bad things is not good? I am affraid that would be to late for thinking action.
BTW, how many Iraqi people got killed directly or indirectly by US invasion? You think people from west find it distracting? What do you think would happen if the same number of US citisens get harmed? You think west will show more sympathy to you, than to people who really did no harm to anyone?
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
#6088613 - 09/21/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you mean to make that reply to someone else?
I am against war and am a pacifist. I think only unintelligent people have to use violence to solve their problem or get what they want out of life.
Yes, I agree, that if the U.S. Air raids Iranian nuclear weapon production facilities and we start WWW3 in the process because the U.S "thought none of that would happen", I say, thats right, they thought none, and yes, it would be to late to turn it around.
Bare in mind, their argument is that if Iran is allowed to make them, they will use them against their neighbors, sell them to terrorists to use against the U.S. and they say, the world will get blown up anyway if we let them build them. What if they are right?
Can you see into the future of what Iran will do with nukes if they are allowed to make them?
This whole situation sucks anyway you look at it.
What's with all the violence in this world??????
You blame Bush, but global violence has been around looooooooooooong since before he was born. He is to simple and easy a target to blame.
Look to who profits from wars if you want to find blame. Look to parents and systems that teach children violence is the way solve disputes and how to get what you want if you want something to blame. Look to who gave human kind nuclear technology before the WHOLE of it grew up and stopped acting like selfish, spoiled, bratty, careless children if you want someone to blame.
Bush..pshhh......take him out tomorrow and the middle east will still be in conflict. When hasn't it been? The middle east has been at war with itself since before the Pilgrims even set foot on Plymouth rock. Global violence won't end when Bush's term ends or the U.S. goes belly under. Then who are people going to blame for it?
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#6088821 - 09/21/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought it was a decent speech as well. Too bad it had to come from another thug like Chavez.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Vvellum]
#6089428 - 09/22/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shit.. even the dali lama worked for the CIA. you can't trust anyone it seems.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Vvellum]
#6089446 - 09/22/06 06:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said: I thought it was a decent speech as well. Too bad it had to come from another thug like Chavez.
Suppose it is nothing to loose syndrome. The only moment when you can expect politican to talk truth.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#6089456 - 09/22/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said: Did you mean to make that reply to someone else?
I am against war and am a pacifist. I think only unintelligent people have to use violence to solve their problem or get what they want out of life.
Yes, I agree, that if the U.S. Air raids Iranian nuclear weapon production facilities and we start WWW3 in the process because the U.S "thought none of that would happen", I say, thats right, they thought none, and yes, it would be to late to turn it around.
No, no. It was directed to you. And I do understand you are pacifist. Yet, some say that evil is existing not because of evil people, but because good people do not do anything about that. That is some responsibility I am addressing to.
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Bare in mind, their argument is that if Iran is allowed to make them, they will use them against their neighbors, sell them to terrorists to use against the U.S. and they say, the world will get blown up anyway if we let them build them. What if they are right?
It is up to bare logic that gains common legitimation and solidarisation on the World level. If you attack, you are aggressor who is going to be condemned. If you defense, the World will be on your side. Now, imagine US military strength plus World legitimation. That would mean wipe out of any bad guys. That is the reason many suspicious states such North Korea, Pakistan or Israel can not do anything about nukes, even they have them.
So, I have some strong belief that there was no ww3 in even more tense situations as long as it leads to nowhere. Politicians even some media is trying to make them look lunatic like in order to legitimate aggressions, are far from non lucid, to risk that way. If they where that non lucid, I can notice they would not last one more minute as long as support for them would leak.
OK. You might think these pissed off, smelly turds who yell and burn flags around World would support such decisions. Yet, as long as Croatia has been in war not so far ago, I can notice that people who do express such feelings are regularly cowards who need large groups to feel important and powerful. And that is not respectful political base.
I suppose you have same problem with US extremists, not to understand what I am talking about. Of course, there are always some psychos around, but they are far from politically important, as long as people do not follow psychos and if they do, they are strongly monitored by establishment in any state in order of not going to far.
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Can you see into the future of what Iran will do with nukes if they are allowed to make them?
I can not see future at all. All I can do is to notice that legitimation on paranoid speculation is lame that world people do not suck.
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This whole situation sucks anyway you look at it.
What's with all the violence in this world??????
You blame Bush, but global violence has been around looooooooooooong since before he was born. He is to simple and easy a target to blame.
Bush is just an exponent of corrupted Establishment. He presents paradigm of non scrupulous imperialism.
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Look to who profits from wars if you want to find blame. Look to parents and systems that teach children violence is the way solve disputes and how to get what you want if you want something to blame. Look to who gave human kind nuclear technology before the WHOLE of it grew up and stopped acting like selfish, spoiled, bratty, careless children if you want someone to blame.
Bush..pshhh......take him out tomorrow and the middle east will still be in conflict. When hasn't it been? The middle east has been at war with itself since before the Pilgrims even set foot on Plymouth rock. Global violence won't end when Bush's term ends or the U.S. goes belly under. Then who are people going to blame for it?
I do believe in end of global violence, yes. And no, only elimination of Bush wont solve that problem.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Crobih]
#6089847 - 09/22/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yet, some say that evil is existing not because of evil people, but because good people do not do anything about that.
And these people who say that, would you lump them in with the good or with the evil as you judge such things to be?
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#6089937 - 09/22/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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They're evil too. We're all evil. The only good one is Jesus.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#6089961 - 09/22/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The little guys don't play by our rules and get an advantage."
Yup.... Its kinda like a chess player fighting a heavy weight Boxer. But we will eventually win WW IV. IMO WW III was the war against communism. Thanks to Bush we have Iran surrounded.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: lonestar2004]
#6090397 - 09/22/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the Cold War was called the Cold War for a reason. To put the Cold War on the same level as World War I and II is absurd. As for Iran "being surrounded," it not to US advantage that we are in Iraq and Afghanistan considering we are pretty much bogged down militarily in both places and lacking popular support for yet another invasion. Plus, if the Bush Adminstration decided to take action against Iran, it will probably not be a land war. Aerial strikes will be the course.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Vvellum]
#6090419 - 09/22/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: IMO
Just my "absurd" opinion.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Vvellum]
#6090451 - 09/22/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said: the Cold War was called the Cold War for a reason. To put the Cold War on the same level as World War I and II is absurd. As for Iran "being surrounded," it not to US advantage that we are in Iraq and Afghanistan considering we are pretty much bogged down militarily in both places and lacking popular support for yet another invasion. Plus, if the Bush Adminstration decided to take action against Iran, it will probably not be a land war. Aerial strikes will be the course.
"Aerial strikes will be the course." Exactly! “There’s a huge advantage to land-based infrastructure. Compared to Carriers.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: lonestar2004]
#6090494 - 09/22/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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BTW lots of money and effort being put into Balad Military Base.
Balad is one of the busiest military airbases in the world, and Anaconda is the logistics support command for all of Iraq.
We now have troops and heavy equipment prepositioned near Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Like Germany we will not be leaving there anytime soon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12441799/site/newsweek/
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#6090524 - 09/22/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said:
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Yet, some say that evil is existing not because of evil people, but because good people do not do anything about that.
And these people who say that, would you lump them in with the good or with the evil as you judge such things to be?
Statement means nothing. Action does. And what I am considering about this statement is that our ethical standards are unadequate to handle evil, so I suppose we should think about that.
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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: lonestar2004]
#6090536 - 09/22/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: BTW lots of money and effort being put into Balad Military Base.
Balad is one of the busiest military airbases in the world, and Anaconda is the logistics support command for all of Iraq.
We now have troops and heavy equipment prepositioned near Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Like Germany we will not be leaving there anytime soon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12441799/site/newsweek/
Sounds as some true peace project to me
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