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polar and non polar solvents...
    #6078896 - 09/19/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Okay guys, heres the question:
Asuumeing that you can NOT buy DRINKING alcohol, but I want to make a shroom extract, what is a non polar solvent I could use NOT containing benzene or carcenagens(as they are deadly)but are volitle(evaperate quickly)that I can get around my Town or City. Then what is a polar solvent I can get my hands on that will evaperate and not leave behind nasty things for me to die from? House hold items or general brand names would be appreciated.
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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6078933 - 09/19/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Some info on solvents , basic stuff but there is a list there over solvents, those with high sipole moments and dielectric constant are polar solvents, those with low numbers are non polars. methanol could be a non polar solvent you could use.

http://www.usm.maine.edu/~newton/Chy251_253/Lectures/Solvents/Solvents.html

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #6079036 - 09/19/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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methanol could be a non polar solvent you could use.




But doesn't methanol not evaperate cleanly? I also heard that it contains carcenagens or benzene or it causes blindness or somthing bad like that. If not, then where can I locate methanol?
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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6079552 - 09/19/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Methanol should evaporate cleanly. If you get the right stuff it should only contain methanol, however it does cause blindness and death by itself.


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6080273 - 09/19/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Get some methanol, evap it in a glass.  Hold it to the light if there is no residue, it is safe to use.  Let it evap thoroughly, and you won't go blind.

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Then what is a polar solvent I can get my hands on that will evaperate and not leave behind nasty things for me to die from?




Di-hydrogen monoxide is a GREAT polar solvent, a few people have died from it but it is pretty safe :wink:  I have a bunch, will send you some super pure distilled for $10 a gallon.  :grin:

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: Jaeger]
    #6080579 - 09/19/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: Jaeger]
    #6081279 - 09/20/06 04:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm... How would I contact you for that? If in fact, your being siriouse. By the way, how much is it originaly?
-Hightimesreader

P.S. Where would I find methanol? Ie: Local drugstore, mail order..


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: minesstudent]
    #6081282 - 09/20/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If you get the right stuff it should only contain methanol



So like Methnol Ether? or what? Please be spacific.
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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6081286 - 09/20/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #6081849 - 09/20/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Methanol is sold as 'Methylated spirits' in some places. In some countries in Asia (that's where I saw this, it's probably used elsewhere) Methanol is applied to scrapes and cuts to disinfect.

The stuff causes blindness, if not death if swallowed. However, it should - as stated above - evaporate cleanly. If you're not a chemist however, I wouldn't advise messing with anything except maybe Ethanol (drinking Alcohol), if that.

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: Quake3]
    #6083465 - 09/20/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That still doesnt answer my question as to an alternitive and where I can get it if you RELY on being legal to buy alcohol still.
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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6084296 - 09/20/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't really know where you could get methanol, but methyl ether is not methanol. They are completely different, I'm not even sure what methyl ether is.

Dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous shit though. Inhalation can cause death and prolonged exposure to its solid form can cause skin death. So be careful.


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6084979 - 09/20/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Another great bipolar solvent is Hydrogen hydroxide. Though it is easy to obtain in most places, hundreds die each year from inhaling Hydrogen hydroxide, so caution is advised.

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: shroomydan]
    #6085437 - 09/21/06 02:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

methyl ether is CH3.O.CH3 , its eherfication of methyl alc. and its no good for this purpose. i agree with using hydrogen hydroxide, its also good, it may be found under the name dihydrogen oxide instead but it will be the same thing

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #6088018 - 09/21/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

but im no chemist so .... couldnt I die?


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6088034 - 09/21/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The moral of this thread is that you need to do some of your own research. Figure out what dihydrogen oxide, hydrogen hydroxide, Di-hydrogen monoxide is and maybe it will drive that point home.

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6088049 - 09/21/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oh come on Dihyrdrogen monoxide is so simple to obtain. my 2 year old can get it.. 10 dollars a gallon is a little steep but i have paid as much as $1.50 for a 20 oz. bottle.

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: trauma47645]
    #6088078 - 09/21/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just because it is easy to get doesn't make it safe!
Dihydrogen monoxide should be illegal, look what it can do if you aren't careful!


(I really don't understand how this is in Advanced Myc.)

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: Jaeger]
    #6090217 - 09/22/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldn't Acetone work? Its a polar solvent that dissolves clean. Or does it destroy what you want to get?


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: minesstudent]
    #6090310 - 09/22/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

acetone is a dipolar solvent, (see link i posted in first reply), it also have a tendency to make emulsions that are inreversible. acetone is a solvent you can always find a better alternative to imo.

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    #6092520 - 09/23/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6097772 - 09/25/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No need to be fearmongering about the dangers of methanol. Methanol is a perfectly good solvent. You don't want to drink it or have prolonged skin exposure. You certainly don't want to use it on cuts, scrapes or open wounds.

But it's perfectly fine to work with. Most solvents are fire hazards, so obviously you need to practice some common sense when using them. I've never heard of anyone being poisoned by denatured alcohol who didn't drink it. Washing parts in methanol for hours or something like that may be a problem, but it's not going to harm you from just handling it for a bit, gloves or not.

Just avoid drinking it, getting it in your eyes, or breathing the fumes in a confined area for long periods. Otherwise it should be fine. Getting some on your hands or breathing a little bit of fumes from it isn't going to cause you problems.

Methanol is yellow "heet" BTW if anyone is interested in using it.


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: fastfred]
    #6097869 - 09/25/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

working with any solvent or chemical its advicable to read the safety sheet for it first. these are called MSDS (material safety data sheets) and can be found here: http://www.msds.com/

most solvents and chemicals should be handlet with care and respect. evaporation of solvent should be done in areas with good ventilation and so on. common sene and precautions gets you a long way-

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #6098699 - 09/25/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Some info on solvents , basic stuff but there is a list there over solvents, those with high sipole moments and dielectric constant are polar solvents, those with low numbers are non polars. methanol could be a non polar solvent you could use.

http://www.usm.maine.edu/~newton/Chy251_253/Lectures/Solvents/Solvents.html




Methanol is actually very polar, and not non polar. The -OH group is much more electronegative than the methyl group, giving it polarity. It is an optic nerve poison but can be safely used if you don't drink it or get it in your eyes or somthing like that. It is not that dangerous, I have used it in every lab since I was a freshmen without incident. This solvent is readily available and cheap, but I always steal mine from lab.

Edited by TheBotanist (09/25/06 02:09 PM)

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: TheBotanist]
    #6099175 - 09/25/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes correct , i dont know why i wrote non polar, my bad, he asked for a polar solvent and therefor i suggested methanol.

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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #6099642 - 09/25/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hello~

I am a little out of my league but it so happens I was reading about non-polar* solvents today that are used to extract DMT:

Naphtha:

Coleman fuel, or lighter fluid. Evaporate a small amount in a dish and inspect the residue if you are unsure if it's contaminants.

Methylene Chloride:

Also known as DCM or dichloromethane. Often used for adhesive solvent for acrylics. Pure DCM can be found in craft stores. DCM must be distilled first from all non-flammable paint strippers beforehand.Also may containe methanol, organic solvent.

Ether:

Purchased at automotive stores.To remove liquid ether from an engine-starting aerosole can, spray the contents of the can down a 12 inch (3/4) PVC pipe. Ether will condense on the sides of the pipe and fall down.Extremely volatile.

Chloroform:

Can be purchased over the internet at arts and crafts stores.Is usually harsh on organics and has a boiling range of 35-65 C.

I hope this helps. These are NON-Polar Solvents***


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Re: polar and non polar solvents... [Re: elsig]
    #12356621 - 04/08/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

would it be safe to use "cellulose thiners"? for the extraction of LSA?

here is the info on it:

http://www.birdbrand.co.uk/msds/Cellulose%20Thinners.pdf

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