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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6075616 - 09/18/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Greg Palast got arrested for filming one of these things under "Infrastructure Protection"
Patriot Act> Posse Comitatus/Amendments.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6076939 - 09/19/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are asserting their existence and using them to prove a point. It is up to you to prove they exist.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6078003 - 09/19/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm willing to bet you're right
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
Mixed feelings about that read and I can see it from both sides.
Thanks for sharing that ladies story documented with photos Pris. Moral of that story is, "No matter how bad of a situation you currently find yourself in, don't get on a FEMA bus." 
I can see why some call them prison camps when they are only served 2 meals a day, are not allowed snacks nor is anyone allowed to bring them in snacks nor is anyone allowed to leave to get their own and bring them back.
The main exception to it being just like a prison is that, they are free to leave though once they do, they can't come back. While in there it is like a prison because they can't go look for work, go visit friends on the outside, or go shop or out for entertainment on the outside.
Though they may be told they are free to leave, how are they going to do this so easily? The camp is in a remote area in the mountains away from any populous and the people were bussed in. They have no car to leave with, no buses running out and if cell phones don't work, and the camps have no public phones, how can you call anyone to come pick you up?
Besides, if you owned a cell phone and knew someone to call to pick you up, you would've done that instead of get on that FEMA bus in the first place when leaving NOLA.
I do understand their concerns about riots and the security of the people being housed there in general and that from FEMA's position, they are just taking preventative measures for the safety of anyone being housed in the name of FEMA because of lawsuits.
I'm left off thinking about how sad it is that for some families and individuals in the U.S. that was the best and only option they had, (in their eyes) to get out of NOLA and into a place with running water, electricity shelter and access to some food. In a way, they were already people without a mental/physical ability to take advantage of the freedom they did have to get their life in better shape before Katrina.
What does society do with people who don't know how to help themselves? How does American society create so many people who don't know how to help themselves?
My best guess would be that anyone taken there was someone with poor access to a decent education or strong community bonds and support, or parents, who didn't give a shit about finding a way to get them a decent education and strong community bonds and support.
Simply sad and pathetic for the U.S. no matter how you look at it. FEMA shouldn't even have to be faced with the task of housing people that poorly set up in their own lives in the first place. We can do better as a Nation.
On the upside, though I have no hope for the thugs of NOLA that were displaced, (The Yosemite Sam like character running for Governor of Texas will take care of the ones in his state if he gets elected Anyone catch him on Tucker flipping him off yesterday? ), the impoverished younger children that were displaced into better communities and school systems may have a better chance at becoming more better established and productive citizens who can do some good with their lives.
I think we all learned that NOLA had a tight knot of some severely impoverished and dysfunctional people who were just passing on the dysfunction from generation to generation. It needed to get busted up and disbursed if it ever had a chance of healing itself.
Who knows, maybe the peace and quiet, armed sercurity for their safety and natural beauty of the mountains where those camps were did some of those "stuck in the impoverished crime laden inner city" some good. 
That camp was only going to house them for 5 months. I wonder what became of everyone who stayed there.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: newuser1492]
#6079303 - 09/19/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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cb9fl said: You are asserting their existence and using them to prove a point. It is up to you to prove they exist.
the video exists, there was a subcommittee hearing regarding it, the standoff occured, it was buried quickly, but like zappisgod says "credible sources" I'd still like to know what exactly credible is defined by, the mass media is a lie, the alternative press is a lie, the intarweb is a lie.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6079372 - 09/19/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you so fucking lazy that you can't provide links to back up your shit? Jesus, it's ridiculous already.
Are you so far gone paranoid that you think every serious media outlet is in the government's pocket? They would love this shit. It's pulitzer material, if it wasn't bullshit.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6079538 - 09/19/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you read much more into things than is really there, are you so lazy you cant do a little search and learn for yourself?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6079557 - 09/19/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I am not a plant.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6079747 - 09/19/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said:
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zappaisgod said: I am not a plant.
evidence?
I've been actually thinking the exact same thing, even tho I don't post in this forum. I did earlier, concerning this topic, but deleted the post right after, not wanting to get involved. For the record, no industrial property where I live is composed a thing like in that video. I think it's wacko to suggest that that is a typical yard. Maybe this guy should go out and take photographs of the properties in his area and post them here before suggesting such things. Problem is, he couldn't. I'm being silly even humoring his idea of things. It's pretty obvious what kind of set up that location is.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6079763 - 09/19/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you read much more into things than is really there, are you so lazy you cant do a little search and learn for yourself?
Nope, back your shit up. Or can't you. You made statements about threads in PA&L before that were bullshit and were called on it. Maybe you should stay in the pub. They're a lot more oblivious there.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Disco Cat]
#6079803 - 09/19/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said:
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AlteredAgain said:
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zappaisgod said: I am not a plant.
evidence?
I've been actually thinking the exact same thing, even tho I don't post in this forum. I did earlier, concerning this topic, but deleted the post right after, not wanting to get involved. For the record, no industrial property where I live is composed a thing like in that video. I think it's wacko to suggest that that is a typical yard. Maybe this guy should go out and take photographs of the properties in his area and post them here before suggesting such things. Problem is, he couldn't. I'm being silly even humoring his idea of things. It's pretty obvious what kind of set up that location is.
You live in British Columbia. I live around NYC. What in your narcissisticly narrow experience of the world would make you think that it all looks like British Columbia? Some people are so incredibly self absorbed that they think that only what they have seen is all there is. What, are you 12? There's a whole world of shit out there that you have absolutely no idea of.
My sole point, in case anybody still doesn't get it, is that the video showed nothing unusual. Nothing at all.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6079823 - 09/19/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shit, I've delivered pizzas to industrial complexes that looked spookier than that.
Edited by MushmanTheManic (09/19/06 08:06 PM)
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Disco Cat]
#6079843 - 09/19/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said:
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AlteredAgain said:
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zappaisgod said: I am not a plant.
evidence?
I've been actually thinking the exact same thing, even tho I don't post in this forum. I did earlier, concerning this topic, but deleted the post right after, not wanting to get involved. For the record, no industrial property where I live is composed a thing like in that video. I think it's wacko to suggest that that is a typical yard. Maybe this guy should go out and take photographs of the properties in his area and post them here before suggesting such things. Problem is, he couldn't. I'm being silly even humoring his idea of things. It's pretty obvious what kind of set up that location is.
Yeah and this whole "show me evidence, back your shit up" kind of mentality is really not the central point here. Actually I didn't make this thread to prove anything at all. All i made was an observation, an observation that rang a bell in my mind signaling "Wait a second, something doesnt seem right here".
And in my eyes, from the observation of the footage, this LOOKS like a detention facility to me, meant to house a large number of people, most likely citizens of the United States, operated by the military and the executive branch of our government. So this concerns me, because I have very substantial reasons to claim that our government does not have the peoples' best interest in mind. This facility alone does not bother me, the purpose behind the facility is what i am concerned about.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6080185 - 09/19/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You made statements about threads in PA&L before that were bullshit and were called on it.
like what?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6081586 - 09/20/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has anyone stopped to think that it's no wonder that it "doesn't look like a detainment camp". If they had razor wire and multiple guard towers, it would be obvious what it is, and it wouldn't be much of a secret then, now would it?
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You could make that argument about damn near any structure.
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That's true, and if they had facilities already in place to hold people underground we wouldn't know about that at all.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6082785 - 09/20/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You made statements about threads in PA&L before that were bullshit and were called on it.
like what?
why even ask? your wrong in his eyes, your just wrong.. there is no getting around it..
wait.. wait... hold on a minute wait
no your wrong lol
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6083087 - 09/20/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Pris, I read this forum constantly. What search words should I use to find these threads? How about this? You assert that these threads exist. That is something factual you can back up. So, how about it.
my mistake, it was in the pub, I believed it was in this forum http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5211435
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In general if only one media outlet reports something I distrust it. If several do I buy it, because there is no express conspiracy.
gadsden minute men held off the FBI for 10 days over a video tape, did you hear about that? probably not, because a couple local stations covered it for about 30 seconds before the news was hushed... of course there is never a conspiracy
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6083384 - 09/20/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what was the lie
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6085496 - 09/21/06 03:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You live in British Columbia. I live around NYC. What in your narcissisticly narrow experience of the world would make you think that it all looks like British Columbia? Some people are so incredibly self absorbed that they think that only what they have seen is all there is. What, are you 12? There's a whole world of shit out there that you have absolutely no idea of.
My sole point, in case anybody still doesn't get it, is that the video showed nothing unusual. Nothing at all.
You're really no good at being a troll. When I was 12 I was a far better retortist than you likely could dream of being, what with a response like yours. Again, I shouldn't be humouring, but lives in has nothing to do with travelled. Any good-intentioned person who wanted to contest their thoughts would cut to their information, not empty slander.
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