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Video: FEMA Detention Camp
#6071538 - 09/17/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/170906Camp.htm
interesting footage, looks like American concentration camps to me. i'm getting out of this country.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6071678 - 09/17/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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they've been around for years, there's a list of these camps that has been leaked I've personaly seen 3 of them
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6071746 - 09/17/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey pris, for some reason you seem to have recently taken an interest in posting on this forum. Usually we like to see links to credible sources of information as a means to verify the opinions expressed. You haven't produced one for anything. Time's up. So put up.
Altered, there is not one fucking thing in that video that amounts to evidence of anything at all. Feel free to take the next train out and bring all your idiot friends with you
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6071767 - 09/17/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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US government has anticipated mass civil disobedience since the 60's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Garden_Plot
The United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2 The following information was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. The original printing was of June 1, 1984. The information herein is UNCLASSIFIED and does not come within the scope of directions governing the protection of information affecting the national security. It took a little more than three years to obtain a full copy of Operation Garden Plot from the U.S. Government, and was done so under the freedom of information act for unclassified documents. The implications within the full context of this document should make the hair on the back of your head stand on end!!!!! In this document signed by the Secretary of the Army, is hereby assigned as DOD Executive Agent for civil disturbance control operations. Under Plan 55-2 he is to use airlift and logistical support, in assisting appropriate military commanders in the 50 states, District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and US possessions and territories, or any political subdivision thereof. The official name of this project is called "Operation Garden Plot." Under this plan for the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, the use of CIDCON-1 will be mandatory. This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aeromedical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems. If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters. Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder. Under section D, a Presidential Executive Order will authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to use the Armed Forces of the United States to restore order. 2 TAB A APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX S USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 EXHIBIT POR:SGH, JCS Pub 6, Vol 5, AFR 160-5 hereby provides for America's military and the National Guard State Partnership Program to join with United Nations personal in said operations. This links selected U.S. National Guard units with the Defense Ministries of "Partnership For Peace." This was done in an effort to provide military support to civil authorities in response to civil emergencies. Under Presidential Decision Directive No. 25, this program serves to cement people to relationships between the citizens of the United States, and the global military of the UN establishments of the emerging democracies of Central and Eastern European countries. This puts all of our National Guardsmen under the direct jurisdiction of the United Nations. Section 3: This plan could be implemented under any of the following situation: (1) Spontaneous civil disturbances which involve large numbers of persons and/or which continue for a considerable period of time, may exceed the capacity of local civil law enforcement agencies to suppress. Although this type of activity can arise without warning as a result of sudden, unanticipated popular unrest (past riots), it may also result from more prolonged dissidence. This would most likely be an outgrowth of serious social, political or economic issues which divide segments of the American population. Such factionalism could manifest itself through repeated demonstrations, protest marches and other forms of legitimate opposition but which would have the potential for erupting into spontaneous violence with little or no warning. (2) Planned acts of violence or civil disobedience which, through arising from the same causes as (1) above, are seized upon by a dedicated group of dissidents who plan and incite purposeful acts designed to disrupt social order. This may occur either because leaders of protest organizations intentionally induce their followers to perpetrate violent acts, or because a group of militants infiltrates an otherwise peaceful protest and seeks to divert it from its peaceful course. Subsection C: (2) Environmental satellite products will be continue to be available. (d) Responsibilities. Meteorological support to civil disturbance operations will be arranged or provided by AWS wings. The 7th. Weather Wing (7WW) is responsible for providing / arranging support for Military Airlift Command (MAC) airlift operations. The 5th Weather Wing (5WW) is responsible for supporting the United States Army Forces Command. (3) SITUATION. Civil disturbance may threaten or erupt at any time in the CONUS and grow to such proportions as to require the use the Federal military forces to bring the situation under control. A flexible weather support system is required under control. A flexible weather support system is required to support the many and varied options of this Plan. ANNEX H: XXOW, AWSR 55-2, AWSR 23-6, AFR 23-31, AR 115-10, AFR 105-3. Subsection B: Concept of Environmental Support. Environmental support will be provided by elements of Air Weather Service (AWS) in accordance with refs a-f. The senior staff meteorologist deployed int the Task Force Headquarters (TFH) will be the staff weather officer (SWO) to the TFH. Centralized environmental support products are requested in accordance with AWSR 105-18. (4) Weather support is provided by weather units located at existing CONUS bases or by deployed SWOs and / or weather teams to the objective areas. (5) Support MAC source will be provide in accordance with the procedures in MARC 103-15. MAC forces will be provided in accordance with the procedures in AFR 105-3. (a) Air Force Global Weather Central: Provides centralized products as requested. REFERENCES : JCS Pub 18 - Doctrine for Operations Security AFR 55-30, Operations Security 1. GENERAL Opposition forces or groups may attempt to gain knowledge of this plan and 'use that knowledge to prevent or degrade the effectiveness of the actions outlined in this plan. In order to protect operations undertaken to accomplish the mission, it is necessary to control sources of information that can be exploited by those opposition forces or groups. OPSEC is the effort to protect operations by identifying and controlling intelligence indicators susceptible to exploitation. The objective of OPSEC, in the execution of this plan, is to assure the security of operations, mission effectiveness, and increase the probability of mission success. 2. RESPONSIBILITY FOR OPERATIONS SECURITY (OPSEC): The denial of information to an enemy is inherently a command responsibility. However, since the operations Officer at any level of command is responsible to his commander for the Overall planning and execution of operations, he has the principal staff interest in assuring maximum protection of the operation and must assume primary responsibility instibility for ensuring that the efforts of all other staff elements are coordinated toward this end. However, every other individual associated with, or aware of, the operation must assist in safeguarding the security of the operation. 3. OBJECTIVES: a. The basic objective of OPSEC is to preserve the security of friendly forces and thereby to enhance the probability of successful mission accomplishment. "Security" in this context relates to the protection of friendly forces. It also includes the protection of operational information to prevent degradation of mission effectiveness through the disclosure of prior knowledge of friendly operations to the opposition. b. OPSEC pervades the entire planning process and must be a matter of continuing concern from the conception of an operation, throughout the preparatory and execution phases, and during critiques, reports, press releases, and the like conducted during the post operation phase. 4. Specific operations orders and standard operating procedures "MUST be developed with the awareness that the opposition may be able to identify and exploit vulnerable activities. Reference Material: Released under Freedom of Information Act on March 30th, 1990. All material presented here has been declassified and supersedes USAD Operations Plan 355-10 of July 16, 1973. Information released by USAF under supervision of Alexander K. Davidson, BRIG. GEN, USAF, Dep. Director of Operations. APPENDEX 5 TO ANNEX E TO USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 Annex Z. Other References: 10 United States Codes 331,332,333,8500,1385, MARC 105-1, MARC 105-18, AR 115-10, AFR 105-3, PDD-25.
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And this is relevant to......... what again?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6071815 - 09/17/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well its not really relevant to the thread name, but i mean i wouldnt be surprised if they had unmarked detention centers. I dont think they are using it for nefarious reasons but it could be used for nefarious reasons.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6071820 - 09/17/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Usually we like to see links to credible sources of information as a means to verify the opinions expressed.
well, is CNN credible? isnt an opinion ones own, should I say 'heres a link to my opinion, it's credible because I wrote it' if your opinions come from web sites then you post all the links you wish to the opinions you adopt, I'll maintain that mine are my own
btw, this was discussed more than a year ago i this very forum
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Your not being surprised is more a reflection on your irrational willingness, nay eagerness, to believe any bit of lunatic bullshit that allows you to scream US HEGEMONY, FASCISM, SUCKAGE. Total fictitious nonsense. And it wasn't even good. Just stupid. It loooked like any industrial area with any kind of security. There's more security cameras on London streets now. What the fuck?
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The_Red_Crayon said: well its not really relevant to the thread name, but i mean i wouldnt be surprised if they had unmarked detention centers. I dont think they are using it for nefarious reasons but it could be used for nefarious reasons.
currently they're vacant, the one in Oak Ridge is pretty damned old, fromt he 40's or 50's I believe, theres a couple here in georgia as well
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6071877 - 09/17/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Altered, there is not one fucking thing in that video that amounts to evidence of anything at all. Feel free to take the next train out and bring all your idiot friends with you
i have not claimed to have found any evidence. i said they 'LOOK' like concentration camps to me. think before you judge please. 
would you like to share what they 'LOOK' like to you?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6071891 - 09/17/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Usually we like to see links to credible sources of information as a means to verify the opinions expressed.
well, is CNN credible? isnt an opinion ones own, should I say 'heres a link to my opinion, it's credible because I wrote it' if your opinions come from web sites then you post all the links you wish to the opinions you adopt, I'll maintain that mine are my own
btw, this was discussed more than a year ago i this very forum
I should have said, and I apologize for being sloppy, that you should produce links to verify the facts that you used to come to your opinion. Or, conversely, you should produce a link to some facts to support your opinion. Otherwise you're just an easily dismissable blowhard. And that video is a fucking joke. So, tell me all about those camps again. No really, tell me all about those camps that have been exposed and that you have seen with your own steely blue eyes. You have a right to your opinion, .......the facts you have to produce, and you asserted facts. So, let's have them. Or is this an Area51 deal?
I'd be very interested to see the discussion you reference because I don't recall anything that meets your description and I am very faithful in my attendance here. I don't see CNN referenced here and no, I don't always take what they say as gospel. See Eason Jordan for a reason for my disrespect of CNN. But if they get other corroboration, sure. If it's a real bona fide story it won't appear in only one place
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6071914 - 09/17/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Altered, there is not one fucking thing in that video that amounts to evidence of anything at all. Feel free to take the next train out and bring all your idiot friends with you
i have not claimed to have found any evidence. i said they 'LOOK' like concentration camps to me. think before you judge please. 
would you like to share what they 'LOOK' like to you?
Every industrial park I have ever seen, particularly in port areas. NO. Wait wait wait. They look just like the places they used to stage the fake moon landings. NO. Wait wait wait. They look like where I would definitely study alien bodies. NO. Wait wait wait. They look like what the outside of snuff film studios would look like. NO. Wait wait wait........And on and on and on. A fertile imagination is...........amusing. Wouldn't a concentration camp have, like, people in it? And guards?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6071939 - 09/17/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I should have said, and I apologize for being sloppy, that you should produce links to verify the facts that you used to come to your opinion. Or, conversely, you should produce a link to some facts to support your opinion.
I'm not sure what you'd consider a fact, just because something hits news print certainly doesnt make it a fact. take 'the submarine' for instance, a huge great white off the coast of south africa... it was in the papers, people witnessed it yet strangely enough, it wasnt real http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Submarine_(shark)
help me out, what do you call a fact, is it a 'truth' that you happen to also believe?
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So, tell me all about those camps again.
ok, this same story has cropped up dozens of times, one lengthy thread in this very forum details it
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I'd be very interested to see the discussion you reference because I don't recall anything that meets your description and I am very faithful in my attendance here.
it was here, we have a search engine, try using it, maybe it was before your time
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I don't see CNN referenced here and no, I don't always take what they say as gospel. If it's a real bona fide story it won't appear in only one place
CNN was simply a litmus, I still need to understand what qualifies as credible, I mean a dentist reports that the mossad is killing scientists, it appears in many places on the net, is it still credible?
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6071960 - 09/17/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: would you like to share what they 'LOOK' like to you?
Like so much pork-barrel spending it makes me want to vomit!
I don't really trust the video-voice over very much, but if we assume for a second that it was accurate and that whoever put the video has actually done some research...
Does that look like a "multi-millions dollar" (according, again to the voice-over) renovation to you?
If they spent more than 1 million dollars to throw up some fence and pour some concrete (the building was supposed to be old, and since it wasn't appreciably changed there was no foundation work) that's the most wasteful project I've heard of in a long time. Forget whatever they're doing there, why does the facility look like so much crap if it's had at least $2 million put into it? Why would there be rusted cranes and broken machinery just lying around in a "recently renovated" facility?
I think this is a conspiracy, but of a completely different kind. I think this is a conspiracy by corrupt non-elected bureaucrats, or perhaps local-level municipally elected individuals, to secure large amounts of funding for graftful purposes while telling everyone else that they have constructed a "hurricane relief shelter" or something along those lines.
You know, the FEMA official in charge of making Seattle (or wherever that was) "earthquake proof" or something, hires his college roommate to build a fence for a "shelter" pays him $2 million for a $400,000 job, and tells everyone that Seattle is now ready with a secure Earthquake-Relief-and-Command-Center.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6072772 - 09/18/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wouldn't a concentration camp have, like, people in it? And guards?
Sure, when it's time to operate them.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6072896 - 09/18/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Every industrial park I have ever seen, particularly in port areas. NO. Wait wait wait. They look just like the places they used to stage the fake moon landings. NO. Wait wait wait. They look like where I would definitely study alien bodies. NO. Wait wait wait. They look like what the outside of snuff film studios would look like. NO. Wait wait wait........And on and on and on. A fertile imagination is...........amusing. Wouldn't a concentration camp have, like, people in it? And guards?
Yea just like an industrial park...because most industrial park have US military markings and security checkpoints (the turnstiles).
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: zappaisgod]
#6072926 - 09/18/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You see, i just wonder, i mean sure, concrete evidence is most likely out there, i will show you it when i come across it, and of course you show me yours too if you find it..
But if you have a facility, that is enfenced three times, has electronic turnstiles clearly made for masses of people, has railroads coming in and out for secure transport (U.S. Army trains), has installed gas furnaces, watch towers, surveillance cameras, etc. etc. (observations taken from the footage). And if these facilities can be found all over the country, and are operated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, you must ask yourself, what is the purpose?
To house human beings? Sure that is already apparent. To house criminals, druggies, illegal immigrants? I don't think so, that is not FEMA's job.
Part of FEMA's job was to create a series of so-called "Executive Orders" which allow the government to suspend and take control over practically all aspects of society (to name a few: transportation, highways, seaports, airports, communications media, electrical power, fuel, gas, water, food resources and farms, all health, education, and wellfare functions, directing of people and communities, the list goes on). Do your own research.
So why? To keep us all safe in case of a national emergency? Well that's what they tell us..
And frankly, i just do not believe anything they say to us anymore because i have caught this government lying again and again and again. What i trust is my own two eyes, my own research, and my natural instinct.
Sure you have your opinion about what all this means, but i also have mine. So honestly, if you really think that there is no threat to our freedom and well-being here, well then that's your opinion, you can believe whatever you want. Take care.
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6072965 - 09/18/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont come to australia
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6072974 - 09/18/06 03:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: Part of FEMA's job was to create a series of so-called "Executive Orders"
those come from the office of the president, not FEMA
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Re: Video: FEMA Detention Camp [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6072987 - 09/18/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah it's the other way around, like you said.
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