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daussaulit
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Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine
#6070745 - 09/17/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ Done by some people at Priceton, and there's a video to go with it.
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kotik
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: daussaulit]
#6070917 - 09/17/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it shouldnt be a suprise to anyone that digital voting is a bad idea, because it's vulnerable to manipulation. Under 1 minute, plus it spreads and deletes itself... that's perfect.
Honestly, it doesn't matter anyways, because you still need someone to count the votes if you don't use software, and even that is not reliable. I would put more faith into a machine when it comes to counting. Why not a 30-day survival competition aired on HBO to decide positions? I digress..
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: kotik]
#6073065 - 09/18/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anybody know if it is actually illegal to tamper with a voting machine during a real election? If one could do it without getting tossed in prison, it would make a good demonstration.
"What do you mean we are collecting negative votes?! How can a candidate have negative ten million votes when there are only two million voters? And what does the error message "RaZed by koTik" mean?
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: kotik]
#6074356 - 09/18/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
kotik said: it shouldnt be a suprise to anyone that digital voting is a bad idea, because it's vulnerable to manipulation. Under 1 minute, plus it spreads and deletes itself... that's perfect.
Honestly, it doesn't matter anyways, because you still need someone to count the votes if you don't use software, and even that is not reliable. I would put more faith into a machine when it comes to counting. Why not a 30-day survival competition aired on HBO to decide positions? I digress..
Well, digital voting has inherent weaknesses, yes... but with Diebold it's taken to the extreme. Their system is so inherently vulnerable that I am honestly quite suspicious that they were intentionally attempting to collude with someone to allow fraud. The workaround to circumvent their security looks like the machines may possibly have been designed to allow it.
Digital media may have weaknesses, but it can be made plausibly reliable. It's like windows vs. linux, both systems work for their intended purposes but one is significantly less secure in doing so than the other.
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: Konnrade]
#6074436 - 09/18/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What I don't understand is why there is no paper trail. These devices are based on Diebold's ATM machines, which all have a paper audit roll printer inside. Bank insist on them to provide forensically reliable audit trails. Why was this feature removed from the voting machine design?
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: Seuss]
#6074453 - 09/18/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seuss said: "What do you mean we are collecting negative votes?! How can a candidate have negative ten million votes when there are only two million voters? And what does the error message "RaZed by koTik" mean?
LOL!
Does that mean myg0t could expand into the relm of politics? I would love to see the myg0t party platform...
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: psilomonkey]
#6074907 - 09/18/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
psilomonkey said: What I don't understand is why there is no paper trail. These devices are based on Diebold's ATM machines, which all have a paper audit roll printer inside. Bank insist on them to provide forensically reliable audit trails. Why was this feature removed from the voting machine design?
another example of how the machines may be designed to allow election fraud.
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kotik
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: Konnrade]
#6075681 - 09/18/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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its great to see we are already having so many problems with such a new system. im sure its only going to get worse from here too.
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: daussaulit]
#6078227 - 09/19/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Search this forum for a thread of mine regarding electronic voting that I made recently. More good(really bad) info about the machines.
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daussaulit
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: Seuss]
#6080348 - 09/19/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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For those of you who have watched the video and though that getting the key or picking it was too difficult: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1064 The keys for jukeboxes, office drawers, hotel minibars, and more will open it easily.
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Seuss said: Does anybody know if it is actually illegal to tamper with a voting machine during a real election?
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean people won't do it.
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: daussaulit]
#6081602 - 09/20/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
daussaulit said: For those of you who have watched the video and though that getting the key or picking it was too difficult: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1064 The keys for jukeboxes, office drawers, hotel minibars, and more will open it easily.
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Seuss said: Does anybody know if it is actually illegal to tamper with a voting machine during a real election?
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean people won't do it.
Because something is illegal means that someone surely will do it, actually.
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: daussaulit]
#6081817 - 09/20/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what is even more disturbing is that nobody has made a big stink about the problem ever since it started back in 2002.. and nobody made a big stink when walden o'dell..then head of diebold..publicly boasted beforehand about stealing the 2004 ohio vote...i have posted several threads on this topic and was laughed off the board each time...
the bottom line is that the machines are very obviously fraudulent..but nobody seems to care...
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Re: Video on how to steal votes with a Diebold voting machine [Re: Annapurna1]
#6081845 - 09/20/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's how the Hogs will keep both houses this November.
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