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a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E.
    #606639 -

Heya everyone,
I have some bad news to bring. We had a problem with some mail being stolen from our mail box at our mail box annex.
It took me a while to catch on to it but the thief has been caught.

It started off when a lot of customers from around early to mid February were complaining of orders taking 5 weeks etc...
I think some of you may remember the post just a few weeks ago here. I knew I had did not have any orders 5 weeks old, just some 3 weeks old as I did get behind a while back. Well the emails kept coming of people missing orders. At first I thought maybe someone stole them from my truck because I had some CD's come up missing around the same time. But the time spread kept going on into late February and earlly March. I knew something was up.  During this period I was getting orders with the envelopes opened, but the money orders still inside.

Well I started asking customers who sent money orders to see who they were cashed by. A customer emailed me ((Thanks Beth :smile: )a copy of the cashed money order and I did not know the person.  I also started seeing a lot of my mail being opened or partially opened. I knew for sure there was a thief along the chain. 
I pulled the website last week so no new orders would come in until I could find the thief. I had the manager at my mail box annex set up a sting. I told him what was going on and had him check the incoming mail from the postal worker to see if it was opened, then count the mail and put it back. Wait a day and count it again.

Well it only took one day for the thief, Rob Matt Nyderg to steal some mail. I knew it was this guy, he goes by Matt.
Well he was fired. That was last week.
It turns out another customer down at my mail box annex who was getting rent checks from her tenants was having the same problem.

So as you can see this has created a big problem. I think at first he was just grabbing a lot of mail and going through it for cash. Not cashing the money orders. Most of the people missing orders have checked on there money orders and they have not been cashed. He did cash 1 money order so far that I know of. Towards the end before he got caught I think he was just opening all the mail and looking for cash and only taking those. Fortunatly we dont get a lot of cash orders so I dont think he got to much.

I really dont know just how much he stole at this point. Myself and the manager have been calling him and trying to get him to return the orders or money orders at least but he is trying to deny the whole thing and blame it on his wallet being stolen.
I've left him a few messages letting him know stealing mail is a federal crime and I'm waiting to hear from him before I have him prosecuted. So I'm telling him anyway. A few of my customers have expressed if they send me the copy of cashed money orders they dont want to be involved. Good point, and I dont want a bunch of cops asking questions so I may just have to let this worthless thief get away with it.

I cant tell you all how much xtra stress this has caused me. All the emails and people thinking I'm ripping them off or not sending their orders out for 5 weeks when I know the truth. If we get an order it gets mailed. I have nothing to win by ripping people off, we want their repeat business. This whole thing is a big mess and has caused a lot of extra work not to mention a financial loss. I can deal with loss revenue but people thinking we ripped them off then posting it here just really bums me out.

I've been trying to decide how to handle this. I'm in no financial position to replace a bunch of stolen cash orders.
Especially when this is not our fault.  There is even a snipet on the ordering page about we will not replace lost cash orders, so please get a money order because they are easier to track.

And I talked with Thor about this problem a week ago and we both agree that by posting this that some people may try and take advantage of this situation and claim they mailed a cash order when they did not, just trying to get free spores.

So to the few that did send cash orders and you think yours may have got stolen all I can say is Im sorry. We are both victums of this worthless thief, Rob Matt Nyderg. We will not be replacing the stolen cash orders, unless I somehow get the money back from this guy, which does not seem likely.

For those who sent a money order, and its been at least 3 weeks and you have not received your order, check the www.thehawkseye.com/returned  order list. If its not there, please check to see if they have been cashed.
If not cashed cancel them, resend the order, and a note about your order being involved with this mess and we'll send one free syringe along with your new order for your troubles.

But dont jump the gun to fast. The guy was fired last week, I think it was April 3rd. So it would be safe to say anyone with an order post dated after April 2nd should not be affected by this. Anyone with an order in paypal will also not be affected by this. A lot of orders went out this week, and I only have 2 orders here that are more then a week old, because they chose a strain we are out of. Those will be mailed monday.
I think it would be safe to say, if you sent an order and its been at least 3 weeks and you have not received it then you may be affected by this mail theft problem.

I would like to apologize to those affected. Although not our fault, we both have been victums of this thief. If Matt does not repsond to my calls by this sunday I will post his home phone number here and everyone can call him up and give them a piece of their mind.

Thanks for understanding.










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-Peace-

High Quality MUSHROOM SPORES and CULTURES  for microscopy at www.muShrooms.com



muShrooms.com is the new web site of
www.thehawkseye.com

Edited by Ryche Hawk (04/14/02 03:10 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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BTW, I forgot to mention I will be leaving next week on some personal family matters. I wont mention details but I will be gone for a while. Maybe a month, I'm not sure yet how bad it is. I have been training a very close trusted friend to handle my job. He needs the extra money and I need the time away, so it works out perfect :smile: He has it down real good and is excited about it. Although emails are going to be a problem. He is only excited because he has not had to answer emails yet... :smile: i'm sure he will be pulling his hair out as I do at times :smile: 
So there will be limited email support, only for order questions and to handle this mail theft problem. No growing questions will be answered.
I've temporarily pulled the email address but will post it again Sunday night.
The good news to this is orders should go out faster now since he wants to impress me :smile:

Man I tell you.. when problems come they all come at once.  When it rains it poors.
But I'll get through it... just another test to make me stronger.

Thanks for everyones support and understanding.


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-Peace-

High Quality MUSHROOM SPORES and CULTURES  for microscopy at www.muShrooms.com



muShrooms.com is the new web site of
www.thehawkseye.com

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Yes you have pulled the email adress from your site...... then you will not put it back up until sunday the day before you leave so that you will have another excuse not to send orders or answer emails for another month. Why don't you post your email right now so that people can clear up questions with their orders BEFORE you go. PM me with your email address so that I can at least enquire about my order -that was placed and MO cashed last week I am not waiting a month to be able to figure this out.

I hate to be an ass about this but a quick read through the vendor forums shows that you are very well know for not sending orders on time and not replying to email.s, not to mention giving BS excuses for all of these as well. I personally DO believe that you were ripped off, but I think that your first priority is taking care of business.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Is there any way you can verify this? i told a freind it was ok to send cash, and if his shit got stolen im on the hook for it.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Well I was wondering what happend to my $71.00. Does that mean I'm shit out of luck or what ?

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: gwarslaveus]
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anyone ignorant enough to send cash deserves it to be out of luck, personnally id have no problem giving the venders cash, but the USPS is about as safe for a letter as a white boy walking through cabrinie green....

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #606679 -

You have used this SAME EXCUSE in years gone by.
Have you not? Yes I believe you have!
Surely the old hands around here will recall!

You are a piece of work Reich.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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maybe you should read posts before you reply so harshly, he said that someone else would be mailing out orders

<< hate to be an ass about this but a quick read through the vendor forums shows that you are very well know for not sending orders on time and not replying to email.s>>

so stop being an ass, he just explained the problem with missing orders, and as or reply to e-mails, good luck getting any buisness to _personnaly_ reply quickly, accuratly, and with an answer. 99.9% of the time your going to get a generic automated faq, so your lucky you get any type of reply from a person at all. Second, why send the same email to dozens of people when he did the same thing by making this one post.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: windex]
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anyone ignorant enough to send a postal ,as in us government, money order may end up with a knock on the door . I'd rather be out some cash .

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: windex]
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The reason that he should post his email address is so that people who sent MO's can know whether he cashed them or the asshole cashed them. I know my MO has been cashed, and my order is still not hear after a month, but I have no way of emailing him to ask whether or not he was the one who cashed my order.

It is not this incedent that has undermined his trustworhtyness, it is his extensive history of not sending shit when he says he will and ALWAYS providing BS excuses. Just read through the old vendor forums if you don't believe me.

Now we have an incident of supposed fraud, and stolen money and he has the nerve to remove his email address until right before he leaves for almost a month, so that nobody can even email him to check if there order was stolen, lost or sent.


And yes I do expect that a business owner answer emails quickly and promptly. Most do. I do business with many ethnobotanical suppliers and other vendors and they ALWAYS email or call back with answers to my questions within 2 days. So no it is not a lot to ask to provide quality customer service in exchange for your money- especially when theft may be involved.

I will NEVER order from hawk again if my order is not here by next friday. I can get almost any strain that he offers from at least one other vendor and have it arrive that week. If it wern't for the fact that he does this all the time(obviously) then I would cut him some slack, but he has a new excuse every 2 weeks!

I want answers and so do many other people out there but he removed his email address so that he would not have to give any.




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-delysid_1

Edited by delysid_1 (04/14/02 02:00 AM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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Oh and I understand that it would be chaos if you just decided to pay back everybody who "claimed" that they sent cash, but you had better be man enough to reimburse those who sent cash and have been emailing you about not recieving there order since before you posted this.


There are only two possibilities
1) Hawk is the single most unlucky person on this planet.

or

2) He is one of the most scandalous people on the planet.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt hawk, but you are really skating on thin ice with some people. Just be honest and let people know when to expect there crap. If the syringes are not ready, tell us that the fuckers arn't ready, don't give us all this sick/family crisis/out of town BS that you spring on everybody so often. In fact the biggest reason that so many people are going to have such a hard time believing this shit about stolen mail, is the fact that you have fed everybody so much shit in the past. You have gotten so bad that even when something truly happens that is beyond your control nobody will believe you. That is the price you pay for dishonesty.

Anyway "your on your own karma" Hawk.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
    #606849 -

i heard more of a rumor that t.h.e had been busted-and was being used by big brother-hope that was just a rumor-how do go from posting daily to posting once a week?


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #606866 -

I don't trust rumors personally.


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-delysid_1

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
    #606896 -

I will say this much about his service, it is slow. I have ordered several times before. It always came. Never on time. That part never really bothered me.
But when i had several contaminated syringes come from him, I e-mailed him about it and I received no response. No, "hey sorry about your luck", not a "Here are some replacements". Nothing. Nada. I gave him the batch number and everything.
I just wont order anymore from him. Too slow and poor customer service.
Just my two cents.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
    #606960 -

>but you had better be man enough to reimburse those who
>sent cash and have been emailing you about not recieving
>there order since before you posted this.

Good point.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
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>i heard more of a rumor that t.h.e had been busted-and was being used by big brother

You invented this rumor the very moment, weren?t you?


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
    #607018 -

People enjoy rumours.... BS

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
    #607020 -

>You invented this rumor the very moment, weren?t you?

Man that is bad English.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: ]
    #607021 -

How good is you german, asshole.......


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
    #607168 -

How good is your German?

Very good point Anno!

When someone can only come up with the "ol' grammer or spelling flame; do they not realize it would be just a fitting to say "yo mama" and leave it at that?

I'm one of those that emailed Ryche about my missing order and yes I do usually send cash ...But then again I don't trade the stocks with money I can't do without either...but you know: its just not worth it ... Ryche has problems and I refuse to be one of them.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
    #607185 -

erosion
(stranger)
04/13/02 04:33 AM
Re: Guess Who [re: AssHmpr12point6K] Edit Reply




Ich bin AssHumper10K und ich bin Anhaltend Motherfuckers!

Goodnight und Abschied. Vielen Dank f?r die Gelegenheit, die Wahrheit zu erz?hlen.

>How good is you german, asshole.......
Besser als "Sie" Englisch.




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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: ]
    #607247 -

LOL !

LOL !

The automatic translator did a horrendous job on this, you should search for a better one.
Try the one available at GOOGLE.


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Hawks eye email address!! [Re: ]
    #607256 -

For all those who are looking for Hawks email address an aquaintence pm'd me with it just a little bit ago(thanks chris!). He says that he emailed him yesterday with no response, but anxiously awaits his reply. I figured that before I emailed him about my order I would share the wealth of this knowledge with the rest of you- actually I think I may open a new thread for it.

thehawkseye@cox.net



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"Catholic church molestation scandel- the lord works in mysterius ways indeed........"

-delysid_1

Edited by delysid_1 (04/14/02 01:58 AM)

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Re: Hawks eye email address!! [Re: delysid_1]
    #607280 -

>You allowed this guy acess to your shit, you know him
>personally, you say that you "fired him" which implies that
>he worked for you so this is your fault and your
>responsibility to take care of this.

As far i understood it, it was an employee at the PO Box company. NOT an employee from Hawk.


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Edited by Anno (04/13/02 12:42 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #607285 -

you guys need to chill.
Ryche has had trouble, in the distant and recient past. He has honored his word to eveyone I know who has had dealings with him. I am not sure as to how many orders he fills, but I suspect that it is a very large number. Things take time.. relax..



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If I made affirmation, I apologize.
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: DinoMyc]
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"He has honored his word to everyone I know"

Maybe you did not read the above posts thoroughly enough- he is refusing to compensate for all stolen cash orders(understandably), and it even SEEMS as though he will not reimburse cashed money orders. Regardless, the fact is that he removed all links to his email address so that nobody could clear this issue up with him and find out whether or not they were affected by this. That is inexcusable. He is just going to leave people waiting another month to find out whether or not their MO was stolen or not. He needs to get off his ass and get on top of this shit if he plans to stay in business, not take a month long personal vacation, and refuse to deal with any of it before he leaves.





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"Catholic church molestation scandel- the lord works in mysterius ways indeed........"

-delysid_1

Edited by delysid_1 (04/14/02 02:06 AM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: DinoMyc]
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heres the distilled feeling about T.H.E. from a portion of the community. please lets not anyone say anything about majoritys, cause thats one reason were all on here using anonymizer.

iv been here off and on for 2-2and a half years. In this period ive heard enough shit about hawk to aviod his biz. id say hed be a cool dood to party with. but this is business. so heres an indictment of the hawks eye:
1. consistent cmplaints of excessivly late orders. this didnt start in 2002. i think its bullshit when you get a post saying 'ive got 14 jars cooked up and i sent a MO to hawk. how soon should i expect it? thats fucking stupid. lets not even think about those types of posts. i dont see how orders from any company takes more than 3 weeks to fill. sure hawks a big vendor, high times advertiser and all. but i assure you BudK world wide is a much larger op than THE and got an order from them in 10 days total. hawk makes enough money to advertise in HT. so does Fanaticus and others. yet i dont hear anything abut other vendors, or at least not at caghnfy [sp?] as THE. is there that much of a difference? pricks are prcks, but how can there be that much of a dicrepensy between 2 major vendors? THE didnt sell me mutated spores. PF never said anything about it in his ads. why? BANKRUPTCY! but selling mutated but otherwise fruiting spores isnt as bad as getting fucked outta cash. am i wrong?
2. so not only are ppl fucked outta cash they sent in good faith, just like they do to PF all the time [and nobody ever complains of theft there. and PF is more well known than THE. if this genius firgured out he could get at THE po box, why hasnt that happened to PF?] but youve already said that your not going to press charges against him. i can see why. i can also see why ppl, who have posted here and havent, are a little pssed off at being told tough luck and that this dood gets away with it. [oooo he was fired] wait a minute, didnt you say you were going to press charges in the other post? see now i dont know which one will happen. didnt the petagon have an office for this? hawk, your talents are needed for the greater good!! so to distill this : Ryche: oops, sorry you trusted me and got fucked [which is exactly what it was. you dont send cash to scammers], i wont refund you r cash cause then ILL end up losing some cash, and the prick who dont ie walks. if a person cant trust his order will be recieved, and that seems likley now that the post office knows about hawk, why order?
3. to his credit, apparently, hawk did a lil sting and got this prick. yet i have no proof of that. and sorry an explantion isnt good enough. i also find it hard that the post office would let this fucker walk if he was busted red handed, considering the civil protections given to a peice of mail, let alone the legal probs of opening other ppls mail. seems like a superior would shit over this, and demand charges, or press them himelf which he could initiate, so he would be untouchable f shit went down. Civil Liability. maybe it couldnt really happen, but i doubt this guys likes playing hard and fast with unemployment in this economy. see where im going? so exactly how did this guy not get arrested on the spot? or have a complaint filed against him? or anything on record that hawk could post to prove himself. cause he needs to do at least that. at least.
4. lets say the sting thing was legit and thats the reaon for MJshroomers flurry of posts a lil while ago wondering WTF happened to hawk. ok. and lets go out on an unsteady limb and say hawk is upset about costing his niche customers money. then, WHY, isnt his site back upm now that the disaster have been averted. cause the dood above me says it isnt, and it wouldnt be till a day before he 'leaves' and lets his elf take over for him? it seems like hawk would want to face the music of HIS folly, now, instead of letting it fester. hey, the bottom line is if those ppl had done business elsewhere, theyd have there shit right now. seems like a ime to grab the old bootstraps. time to accept the venting of fucked over customers personally instead of hoping it plays out here. nope. ryche dont want that vibe.i dont know alot about websites. maybe it does somehow take that long to simply put one back up. i would say hey maybe hawk should postpone his sudden visit but who knows whats going on. mabe his moms dieing or something and the dood really eeds to be there. perhaps, maybe, he should make an attempt to to answer the email. even if his helper has to foward it to him. this isnt unreasonable. considering you wont be losing any money replacing everything, a few words if another small thing ou could do.
bottom line is, just like PF and his mutant spores and him not putting that n his ad, maybe hawk will post this on his site. so the majority of ppl seeing his ad wont know what went down and wont have the complete story to base where theyll spend there money at. but at least mtated spores are working spores.
just like big corps in america, this will never make it out. so through his evasivness before he caught this guy, his 'its all on you' approach of handling it, a very suspicious vacation announcement where no questions would be handled, and keeping th site down till a day before said vacation equals at the least bad business. or at the worst suggests that he wants out of this scottfree. or, hawk fucked the ppl. im sure the flames will fly for that one, but taken everything that has floated around this board abut this guy, ya know, lieing about delivery times, spores in stock, not answering emails about legit questions [lol considering some of those pp, were really fucked they were very legit] it doenst seem much of a step to do this. if you lie about delivery times, its stil a lie. if you wont answer questions about whayt the fuck is taking so long when you know exactly what it is [business practices]. all this points to a guy who could give a shit less about prompt shipping, could give a shit less if it is your money hes living on, and if you dont like it tough shit. and now, hes not going to take the heat. hes going to run away for a month and come back talking about the vibes he gets off of pans. if i had the cash, id ake a fucking ad out in HT just to expose whats going on. then he can take the heat from everyone. hell it took a poster to post his email addy. come on. take the heat or get the fuck outta the kitchen

Wearing a Flame Retardant Suit- Peyotl


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
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Glad you got a laugh out of it. If you could take a joke you would have seen the humor in the first post. AssHumper isnt leaving anytime soon.

Edited by erosion (04/13/02 09:15 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Peyotl]
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-delysid_1

Edited by delysid_1 (04/14/02 02:08 AM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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People should read an entire post before responding to it..T.H.E. is not going to make people wait a month before finding out if they have been affected by the theft. If you had read Hawk's original posts you would have read that email support was going to be reduced to questions about orders AND the mail theft problem, but that there would be know questions answered about growing. I'm not sure why he took his email off his site until Sunday, maybe to let everyone stop flipping out. Calm down. Everything will be ok.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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if ryche is having family problems, let him settle them.
family over business any day.
It sounds like he's having his friend take care of business while he's gone. I'm sure part of taking care of business means taing care of back orders. A money order is like a check written in someone's name. Without being the person on it, Matt can't cash it. If someone were dumb enough to send a blank money order or one made out to "CASH", then good you got fucked.

Go order from someone else if you need your spores sometime soon. yeah, some people got screwed, but it wasn't by ryche. Its this need to blame attitude thats fucking up the world, and its demonstrated right here nicely. If he was focusing his business on money, i'm pretty certain he would change professon real fast.
He dished out mad money for the shroomery raffle inspite of his not so great financial situation too.

And another thing, most adults (people >18 years old) have credit/debit cards and/or bank accounts, with these you can get a paypal account. I don't think theres any reason someone needs to be that stealth about ordering spores as to have to send cash (or MO for that matter) by mail. In the end, the vendor still gets your address. So any paranoia about "them" knowing who i am because of some paypal transaction is completely unwarented.

and its only money, so chill.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Eightball]
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Well most people are not stupid enough to send the spores to their real address anyway. A spore syringe is akin to ordering a illegal synthesis precurser. It may not be illegal itself, but it is probable cause for a search. This has not happened yet only because the DEA has not considered mushrooms to be a drug of concerne yet. However they are becoming ever more prevelant on the underground market and mark my words things will change very soon. When they do my name will not be on anybodies list, and neitherwill my address. If they go to my friends house and searchbig deal he doesn't have shit. You keep ordering the shit with your credit card to your house...........not very wise if you ask me but it's your freedom and your choice on the line......

The problem with this is not the fact that he takes so long but the fact that he tells you they will be there by a certain time and they are not. Then he says that if they are not there by that given date email him and he will figure it out-well he won't respond to your emails. Then he gets all backed up and instead of apologizing and making things right he makes up BS lies and tells everybody not to blame him it's not his fault.

And yes he says that his friend is taking care of business while he's gone, but then covers up for himself by saying that "email will be a problem" and then removes his email address from the public domain so that no one can clear shit up before he leaves.





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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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the connection is now made between hawk and the theif. i dont goto his site, so i didnt know about the cash/blank money order thing.
lets revveiw:
hawk tells a nice story.
hawk leaves holes in story, unintentitly.
story is picked apart.
nothing from hawk.
so according to info gleaned from the story,it appears hawk told a bold faced fucking lie. it appears. could be cleared up by hawk, not one of his cronies. how could he defend his original story? how did this dood steal his wallet? this sounds more like a fucking stalker if it was really a post office worker. the answers out there, and inquiring minds want to know!


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Peyotl]
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I think we need a vendor rating fourm .

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Peyotl]
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>how did this dood steal his wallet?

Could you please go back and actually READ the post by Hawk??

Hawk writes:
....but he [remark Anno: he =THE THIEF !] is trying to deny the whole thing and blame it on his wallet being stolen....


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: gwarslaveus]
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>>I think we need a vendor rating fourm <<<


sounds like an idea. everyone was for the spore trade good trade / bad trader list, why not one for the venders


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: ChromeCrow]
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Exactly my point anno- the only reason that the cash/orders would be in the "thiefs" wallet to begin with would be if the person worked for hawk. Otherwise he would be guilty just for being in possesion of the orders in the first place. So it follows that hawks employee stole the shit, thus hawks company is liable......

I won't post anymore on this topic. We will see what happens, I don't think that hawk is just stealing peoples money. However the way he is handling the situation is BS.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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>So it follows that hawks employee stole the shit, thus hawks company is liable......

No, it wasn?t a Hawk?s emplyee.
I don?t want to leave the impression I would be defending Hawk for anything, I?m not involved with him whatsoever, but I can?t stand it when people can?r READ and then come to the wildest conclusions resulting from this inability.

So, same for you, go back and READ Hawks post.

Hawk says an employee at the PO box company was openinng mail and stealing money and money orders. NOT his employee.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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do you guys even know what you are arguing about?  if you could all just calm the fuck down and be reasonable, everything will work out.  obviously from hawk's reputation, he may not be the speediest vendor, but i've known this since the first order i placed.  an order for 3 taz syringes of mine was stollen during this ordeal.  i noticed my spores weren't arriving for a few weeks so i PM'd hawk simply askin' if he received the order - not throwing out wild accusations or getting pissed off.  he explained what had happened and assured me a replacement will be sent out. 

now if i was in hawk's position, being bombarded by attacks on his business practices and being accused of stealing, i'd pull off my address too, just to let the whole thing settle for a day or so since everyone seems so ridiculously angry.  and it's always been known that any company on the 'net will not guarantee shipment for mailed cash orders - it's a simple policy that shouldn't surprise anyone!

hawk may be slow with the orders, and shit happens - but at least trust him to work it out before flippin' out.  too much hate in this place, it isn't productive
 


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. *DELETED* [Re: Anno]
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Edited by delysid_1 (04/13/02 11:17 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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Perhaps you are correct. Maybe we should all quit jumping to conclusions. If he returns anybodies emails in the next couple days then fine, but if he uses the out of town/newguy bs as an excuse to not answer emails for the next month then we will all know the truth.

As I said before I really don't think that hawk would be stealing peoples money but he can't just spring this on us and then leave town on "family business" for a month.


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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Lets take a look at Hawks post:

"It turns out another customer down at my mail box annex who was getting rent checks from her tenants was having the same problem. "

How is a customer of Hawk's going to steal another customer at the mail annex's mail?

and

"Myself and the manager have been calling him and trying to get him to return the orders or money orders at least but he is trying to deny the whole thing and blame it on his wallet being stolen. "

Why is the manager of the mail annex calling him (the thief) if the thief is an employee of Hawk's? There is at least as much evidence that the thief is an employee of the mail annex as there is that he is an employee of Ryche's..
And as for the "if he uses the out of town/newguy bs as an excuse to not answer emails for the next month" complaint, Hawks says that THE EMAILS ABOUT THE THEFT PROBLEM WILL BE ANSWERED during the month that he is gone...cultivation questions will not, but others will.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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> He does NOT say that this was an employee of the po box company

well in the conversation i had with hawk, he told me that it was an employee of the mail annex that he uses to send out orders.. aparently this dude's been openin' up packages to hawk and other businesses which use the same service. hawk told the supervisor at the mail place, they double checked and found that the employee was infact openin' mails and stealing packages. hawk probably got the guy's phone number from the guy who ran the mail place so that he could confront the thief about the stolen goods. now as i understand it, packages were stolen as well. from my correspondance with hawk, i was led to believe that he received my letter and the order, and even told me he had sent out the order 2-3 weeks ago. well i hadn't received it, and still haven't (it's now been well over a month), so they guy was aparently stealing outgoing packages as well.

as for the whole wallet issue, i don't really understand it. i thought the theif denied stealing anything... and if he did, it would seem stupid of the theif to blame not having the money orders/cash on his wallet being stolen... but anyways, that's neither here nor there.. the point is, i'm sure ryche will do everything to work out the situation and all the people who sent in orders by MO/paypal will receive their shit... just give it some time


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
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Anno, I fully agree with you. I am in the same situation: completely unrelated to THE, defending out of respect and disgust. (for hawk and in response to some of the posts in response, respectively)
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I have a very low tolorance for ignorant people, so here goes for all you who have trouble reading:

"A customer emailed me ((Thanks Beth )a copy of the cashed money order and I did not know the person. " CASHED, not deposited. And someone with whom he was not familiar.
"I had the manager at my mail box annex set up a sting. I told him what was going on and had him check the incoming mail from the postal worker to see if it was opened, then count the mail and put it back. Wait a day and count it again.
Well it only took one day for the thief, Rob Matt Nyderg to steal some mail. I knew it was this guy, he goes by Matt. "
The manager checked the box before and after a day had passed. Ryche obviously did not check the mail during this time. If this is not a large post office or mailbox center, there are a limited number of employees. Even fewer employees would have access to the boxes.
Also, now with the manager involved, someone who would know his own employee, his phone number, and his nickname, more info as to who the guilty probably was. They caught him in the act, or nearly so.
"Myself and the manager have been calling him and trying to get him to return the orders or money orders at least but he is trying to deny the whole thing and blame it on his wallet being stolen. "
If the key was in his wallet, or his ID (what one uses to cash a MO) then this would be the impetus for the excuse.
also notice here the manager being involved, if this were an employee of ryche, there would be no PO box office manager involved.
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if these money orders work like the ones people I know use to pay rent, they can be cashed by anyone with an ID at any bank or check cashing location. Around here many stores, liquor, general grocery, etc. have the ability to cash a money order. The name of the person who cashes the MO is recorded, however.
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If you do not like ryche, just say so. If you have vested interestes elsewhere, say so. Just like the defensive accusations by mcman and co. regarding supposed image alteration by ryche. Nothing more than pipe dreams and flames. Mcman and ralphster, on the other hand, DID alter/misrepresent images. Look what is happening now with the return of Mr. G: he is throwing accusations at nearly everyone, in unfortunately poor grammar.

God-damnit can't we just get along?
What is with all the childish bickering?
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in reply to the person who answered my previous post, i was reffering to people i know personally. They have allways been well treated, and replacements were provided after failure due to _their_ methods.
I am defending ryche because, dispite being slow with order processing at times, he has come through. Even people who criticise him or complain, eventually are satisfied. I think he should work on his speed and customer service, but that is a buisness logistics concern.

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this place is supposed to be about SUPPOSED to be about support and information, not dick measureing and pissing contests. Helping those new and eager and refineing those old and experienced, not bitching and kniving..

in most industries, if you trash talk someone without proper justification, or if you do so inapropriately, it is called slander and libel. Just because ryche operates on the fringe of the law does not mean you have the right to disrespect him, and by extention all those who are effected by or read your drivel.

can't we all just get along?


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: DinoMyc]
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Allright, you guys may be right. After looking through some of my previous posts I realize that I am probably blowing this way out of proportion. I really don't want to just mindlessly flame hawk. He does have a reputation as always coming through, and coming through with high quality spores. When 2-3 days go by with no answers to email I get worried.

Maybe it's just too easy to get behind a keyboard and make all kinds of accusations about somebody you will never meet.

So I apologize to hawk for any undue bad lipserice brought about by myself.

I will trust that you will make good this incedent.

Oh and I will not post on this topic anymore....... I mean it this time...LOL!


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: delysid_1]
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Thank you for being reasonable!
sometimes taking a moment to step back and think will pacify your initial reaction to something.
Enjoy your day everyone!


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #608016 -

Hey Hawkeye! I sent $15 bucks CASH to you and apparently I am a dumbass because I did...anyone who thinks this way about people who do, can f**k off.
I sent my money a few weeksago, and have heard from you a few times. I need your email so I can get you my addy...So am I a shit out luck too?

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Penguin]
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well well that wasnt bad.

first off i read the entire thing by hawk Anno. it was quie long and i didnt catch everthing. if youll notice, by reading ALL the posts, delysid mentioned the wallet thing. i thought i had missed that and went with it. big deal. i resind my...whatever. amazingly all the other shit floated on by unmolested. Read between the lines.

Quickly Zipping Up- Peyotl


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Peyotl]
    #608181 -

You are commenting things whithout reading them first? Jumping on accusations just for the fun of it? Think about it for a second man....


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Anno]
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I have been following this thread since the beginning. Maybe I have no life, but I will cop to that. I have waited a long time for an order placed last month, but I am patient. He will not email me back, so I hope that the spores will just arrive.

But I have read many posts here before and what people consistantly say about him is he is late and does not return emails.

Well it is monday now and STILL no word from hawk. He said his email address would be posted again by sunday and it is still not. He claimed that if he did not hear back from the thief he would post his phone # here, well he hasn't. He said he was going out of town this week- well this weeks here already and still no reply to emails and still no follow up post here. He cannot even come back to the thread that HE started and ease everybodies mind. Where are you reiche? Why won't you follow up on this problem? He is demonstrating the same bad customer service and run around here on an open forum that so many people complain about.

Why won't you answer peoples questions reiche? I mean no disrespect but why will you not just Write people back and let them know about there orders? Is this too much to ask? Please reiche come to the board and prove all of us wrong, show us that you care about your customers.

Anyway that is my 2 cents.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: slopy2nds]
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Hawk got back to me a few days ago. I was one of them effected by the theft. I lost $20 bucks. I just wanted to say; Hawk did the honorable thing (unexpectedly) and I would order from him again.

And to the guy who sent $70 dollars threw the mail ( bad ideal ) you must have money to burn. I wouldn't trust anyone with an underground order with over $20 to $30 Dollars cash. I think that's what 'escrow' is for.

You can only trust yourself in this world sometimes.
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Jsonfield]
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Hmm, well he sure is not answering my emails or anybody elses that I know of. Did he email you before or after he posted this? Anyway, I am waiting for him to email me back saying yes your order was filled or no it wasn't. That's all I want, and that is all I have asked when emailing him. I have emailed him for the last 4 days with no response. Why can't he just write back?


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: slopy2nds]
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Ok sorry for the delay in getting back to this.

I want to thank some of you that kept a level head and did actually read the whole post , such as Anno, geoskills, Dynomyc and a few others.

For those of you that did not even bother reading the thread all the way though then throwing out a bunch of trash....am I really suppose to take you people seriuos ?? Read the damn thread before passing judgment.

I'm doing my best to handle this situation. This whole incident just really bites. It could not have come at a worse time for me either.
I pulled my email addy temporarily to set up a new addy on public server that I could access while I'm out of town. Hopefully I will be able to stop by a cyber cafe from time to time. Also because I had some personal affairs to handle before I leave and could not access the emails anyway.
But since Delysid_1 thought he was doing eveyone a favor by posting my old email address he has just created more work in this whole mess.
The new email addy is thehawkseye@hushmail.com

I have been honoring most of the requests for stolen cash ordes BEFORE this post. Even though I am not incline to do so.
Very seldom will any business send you an order if they never received your cash. Think about it people.

Once I figured out the mail was stolen and not lost, and I wasn't being scammed, I knew most of these customers were genuine and not just trying to get free goods I have honored many of those requests.

Fortunatly most of our customers do not send cash. But its never been a problem until now.
The money orders are a different story. As I said it appears most of them have not been cashed. So far only one that I know of was cashed by Rob Matt Nyderg.

If you had a money order cashed and its been at least 3 weeks and you still have not got your order then definatly get a copy of it and mail it to me and I'll honor those orders. You can always scan and attach them or just snail mail it.

NOw as for a few complaints about us being slow or not answering emails. I get 50+ emails a days some weeks. Most of it people looking for FREE growing advice. To answer all this email can take several hours a day at times. This has been a part of our customer service. But it is also affecting the time to answer emails regarding orders.
Its like somebody else pointed out above. Most of the time when you send a company and email you get an automated response. I wish it were that simple.

As for orders being slow at times. Yes... I'm guilty. About every 4 months or so I get real behind and some orders take about 3 weeks to get out. I apologize to those that it may have caused an inconvience. But that does not happen all the time, just once in a while. Most of the time the orders are mailed within 1-7 days of receiving them. When I'm sending them out fast nobody is complaining or coming here giving praise either.
Lately there is such a huge emphasis on orders getting out so fast. I wish everyone would get a little more patience.
BUT....I've listened to your request.
I have been training someone for the last couple of weeks to hande orders and they will start going out much faster on a regular basis.

For those who did not read the thread correctly. This thief was not an employee of ours. He worked at the mail box annex, a privatly owned shipping outlet where we pick up our mail and sometimes drop it off. He was responsilbe for putting mail in peoples boxes. He has access to most mail that came and went from that annex, and he abused his power and started stealing.The manager of the place has expressed he will cooperate with us in any way he can to help. I'm tempted to ask him to cover the financial losses of those customers I can prove sent in a money order.

I dont know what more I can say. This is not our fault and I'm sorry it happend to us and our customers. This could happen to any vendor here. But unforutnatly it happened to us. We've been around for a very long time and enough people know we are good honest vendors and do our best to fix problems when they arise. 99% of the time our customers are very happy with our service and have stuck with us. This mail theft problem has never happened before. Unitl this past month you never read comlaints from people saying they "never" get their order from us.

Even though I am apologizing for this thiefs actions, I am sorry some of our customers are affected by this. Hopefully everyone will understand. But some wont and I just have to accept that.



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Edited by Ryche Hawk (04/15/02 03:50 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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shame on you who asume

THE has been here for a long time longer than most of you and hey things happen he isn't some big corperation with big money and lots of employees to fix stuff
hes one person and saying that i think he does a damn good job ive had some orders take awhile to get to me but have you ever ordered anything else through the mail some companys take over six weeks to send you shit

please be patient he wont screw you if he made a habit of screwing people why is he still here, i hope some of you own your own buisness some day it can be hell, !shit happens!, but the hawk has always tryed to make people happy all we can do is live and learn people

thanks ryche for putting up with the flames and taking the time to clear this up, some people just have nothig better to do

JUST A NOTE: to prevent tampering with letters containing cash, scotch tape the flap on the envelope as well as seal it

it wont completly stop tampering but if tampering occurs it will be imposible to cover up

it also wont stop stealing of the leter its self but with all the other payment options avalable one should not send anything over 20 bucks in cash


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Only an idiot sends cash through the mail.

And when are all of you who buy from this guy going to get tired of his never ending excuses?


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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In my experience T.H.E. has been a little bit slower than others but always provides nice cleen black syringes. My emails were always answered promptly. I am only one customer but a satisfied customer. I think Ryche is a standup guy who has done alot for the comunity and doesnt deserve all this shit. Sending cash is just a dumb idea especialy when just about every gas station sells money orders. Good luck Ryche, I hope this family trip is a nice vacation and not a emergency.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Chemical_Smile]
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Ryche is a respectable vendor and he works hard at the business. Shit happens sometimes and people run their mouths off trying to find someone to blame. Some of your shouldn't jump to conclusions about what happened. He is the kind of vendor that cares about his costumers, he won't leave us out to dry. Have some faith in Ryche. He's even going as far as to send me a replacement of my order for free. Be patient, he'll take care of things.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Dymentia]
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Thanks for the support Dymentia, Chemical Smile, and Sir Trippus. Its nice to read something positive at least.

Luvdemshrooms:  Note to self.... Ignore this person.

Someone in another thread suggested giving a discount of $3 per syringe to the few ppl that lost cash orders.
That idea is certainly fair and reasonable but I hate to even ask someone for anymore money after their money was stolen.

I finally got a call from the thief, Matt. He did confess to stealing the mail after I threatened to press charges on him.
He claims to have only cashed 2 money orders and stolen maybe 10 letters tops. I dont believe him...I think it was more then that. I told him I wanted him to start paying back restitution for the money he stole. Of course the guy is broke, doesn't even own a car, and his sister is kicking him out at the end of the month. I doubt I'll ever see any money from him for a while.
The manager of the mail box annex wants to press charges on him but I dont want to pursue that and just cut my losses for obvious reasons.
I'll just have to chalk this one up as a bad experience.
HOpefully when I return I'll have something much more positive for everyone :smile:


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Hey everyone out there. Sorry this little tid bit of support for Ryche is comming in late, but I've been a little busy lately. I am posting to let you know that I have seen the money order that Beth sent. She had the bank fax her a copy of the money order cashed and it does have the guys signature and drivers license number written on it. Rob Matt Nyderg used her funds meant for Ryche to purchase some sports equiptment. So this is all just an aweful incident of a good for nothing theif reeking havok on our lives. Especially Ryche's. His service has always been good for me and I have to give him my support in this situation. He has more than redeemed himself as credible and a good business man in my eyes. Sorry I couldn't post this vouch earlier. I had no idea it had blown up into such a big thing on the postings so fast. There is no conspiracy for stolen money by Ryche. In fact, he sent Beth her order anyway, reguardless of who got the money. I guess some of you are just angry and looking for someone to blame. Well you know his name, blame Nyderg.

Edited by snowRider (04/17/02 04:19 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: snowRider]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. *DELETED* [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: ]
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sock puppets are funny.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: mangymuttharpua]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Penguin]
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OK penguin, i don't mind there being another penguin out here, but you need to chill the fuck out!

don't do anything confrontational, unless i do it first, and no useing swear words


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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: mangymuttharpua]
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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: ]
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I'm right here, and that's not me.

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Now that blows, people like that need a good whuppin. It really sux to put trust in something then have a sneaky taking the cash. That can really hurt a buisness. Seems the mail handling company would have insurance or something for this.


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Edited by Alien (04/28/02 02:14 PM)

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: Alien]
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hey Ryche Hawk what about me sending you cash for 4 prints and i pmed you and emaild you serveral of times
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ive been waiting lots of weeks
pm, me

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Re: a problem with STOLEN MAIL from T.H.E. [Re: humplok4201]
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I think you should try emailing him, or the people who are running the place for him right now....

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