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which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha
    #6065782 - 09/15/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

which dmt is generally better? nn-dmt or 5-meo-dmt?

what is the difference and which one is preferred for a first time ayauscha trip?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065823 - 09/15/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

N-N.

That's for aya.

The real deal..


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065838 - 09/15/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I believe n-n is better or stronger. I don't do DMT because it is usually made in a scary laboratory! Careful with DMT!  :laugh:


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I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to
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so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because
they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted.
That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go
in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they
don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: colimon]
    #6065845 - 09/15/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

what is the easiest/best plant that contains nn-dmt?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065862 - 09/15/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Acacia bark, maideni bark, hostilis root, illinoensis root, and simplicifolia bark all contain nn-dmt. Also Phalaris tuberosa, Phalaris arundinac and Psychotria species contain some nn-dmt. :tongue:


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I believe with the advent of acid we discovered new way to think and it had to
do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why is it that people think it's
so evil? What is it about it that there is scares people so deeply? Because
they are afraid that there is more to reality than they have ever confronted.
That there are doors that they're afraid to go in and they don't want us to go
in there either because if we go in, there we might learn something that they
don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: colimon]
    #6065875 - 09/15/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

does the nn-dmt extract the same in all of the different plants available?

or are some harder than others?

which plant contains the most nn-dmt per sqaure inch?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065922 - 09/15/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Psy. Viridis is the most traditional additive in ayahuasca. It doesnt just contain "some nn-dmt". It can be VERY potent per gram of dried leaves.

Phalaris plants contain a shitload of 5-meo-dmt, which you probably dont want much of in your ayahuasca, if any.

If you extract smokables from viridis or mimosa you will have mostly nn-dmt. If you extract from typical grasses like phalaris grasses, you will be smoking alot of 5-meo-dmt when you hit your pipe.

Maois work very well with nn-dmt. If you use mostly 5-meo-dmt with your maois, then god help you. I have only used small amounts of 5-meo-dmt dominant plants, and it makes a big difference. ITs totally different.

If you want to make a smokable extract or want to use ayahuasca, mimosa or viridis are the way to go.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6065947 - 09/15/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i would probably want to do a brew... but i guess if i extract the dmt first i could split it up two ways, one for smoking and one for a brew.

is there any differences in mimosa vs. viridis?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065971 - 09/15/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

mimosa contains chemicals that resemble opiates/morphine in some ways, but they are not your typical opiates. They consider these chemicals to be the reason that mimosa works by its self, unlike any given dose of oral viridis without maois.


If I wanted a pure nn-dmt plant I would probably go with viridis.

If you do make a brew and want to smoke some nn-dmt, make your brew with the leaves, the extract should only be smoked.

I can guarentee that viridis works VERY well with maois. I have never used an extract with maois, and for various reasons I can only assume its a bit different that a normal tea based dose.

Might as well make a traditional brew and if you want to smoke some dmt, do what you have to, extract the stuff into a smokable form.

Viridis is not very hard on the stomach at all. No good reason to extract an oral dmt dose for yourself. Thats just my opinion though. An extract would work too.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/06 07:46 PM)


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6065985 - 09/15/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

well i personally dont really like the way opiates affect me, so i would probably veer away from something that contains derivatives closesly related to them.

plus viridis seems to be more universal from your description. is it expensive?

im gonna check ouw iamshaman.com now.... their probably the best for it arent they?

i have 7 grams of rue seeds just waiting for me to use them.... do they ever really go bad?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6065996 - 09/15/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

didnt seem to find it in the list of botanicals... what is the full name of viridis on botanical websites?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066004 - 09/15/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

n'n DMT for sure....5 Me0-DMT is garbage.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066009 - 09/15/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

not to get off subject.... but wow the 20x standardized salvia extract offered at iamshaman looks like nice crushed up green leaves... the stuff i got from shamanspalace was like black/brown dirt. interesting.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066019 - 09/15/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i also cant believe how cheap HBWR seeds are at iamshaman... 50 of the ones from india for 8.49 - the HBWR seeds are the ones you only need like 6 of them right?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066034 - 09/15/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Buy the most expensive variety of HBWR if you are going to buy them form any given vendor. Just dont buy the cheaper indian strain, and you certainly dont want the ghana strain.

Psychotropia viridis is the name. Its just leaves, but dont let that fool you.

9 grams of that stuff can really tear you a new one if you use enough maois with it. It usually comes by the ounce or 2.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/06 08:00 PM)


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066040 - 09/15/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

should i freeze the rue seeds i have?

should i also freeze HBWR seeds if i buy them to keep them fresh? or just in a dark cool place?

also, iamshaman seems to be out of the 5" viridis plants... is 5" even enough?

anyone reccomend another site for viridis?


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066055 - 09/15/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

HB Woodrose Seeds (Hawaii) - VIABLE - those are 12.49 for 50 from iamshaman.... i guess thats the shit to get huh?

i tried searching for psychotropia viridis on iamshaman and nothing comes up? would they call it something different?


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066066 - 09/15/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I have always just used what I have within a few weeks and know little about freezing these chemical filled plants.

Buy dried viridis. Its VERY cheap, and usually of high quality.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066068 - 09/15/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

nevermind... iamshaman has a statement on their website saying they wont sell viridis because they can get in trouble.

so who still sells it anymore?


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6066076 - 09/15/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

and ya, those are the right seeds. Organically grown in hawaii.

They will vary in potency from vendor to vendor im sure. Thats about as good as it gets though. Only an extra few bucks.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6066092 - 09/15/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

id like to be a one pump chump and get my salvia, HBWR seeds and viridis from iamshaman.com but im only going to be able to get the first two.

what is a bontanical shop just as good as iamshaman? ive gotten shamanspalace before and wasnt too impressed.


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066097 - 09/15/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Check your PMs.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/06 08:15 PM)


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066108 - 09/15/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Psychotria Viridis AKA Chacruna is offered by bouncing bear for 15 bucks for 56 grams. seems like a pretty cheap deal.

so only about 9 grams is needed for a standard brew for one person?

has anyone had the salvia from bouncing bear?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066113 - 09/15/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

never mind bouncing bear doesnt offer standardized salvia extract... only non standard.

i guess ill get the HBWR seeds and salvia from iamshaman and the viridis from bouncing bear.

sucks i gotta pay shipping and handling twice.


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066204 - 09/15/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

A standard brew is more than most people are ready for.

Traditionally you will want 6 grams of rue or its equivalent in caapi. Then you will add about 10-15 grams of viridis.

For a life changing experience that is just enough, for some people, it would scare them pretty thoroughly for quite a bit of the trip. Thats not to say they wouldnt learn something aswell........


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6066209 - 09/15/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

mmmm sounds like its right up my alley!

ive had these rue seeds for like 6 months at least... are they still good>?


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066290 - 09/15/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ya, they are fine. If they have been air tight there is no real significant loss in potency.

There are so many ways to brew your ayahuasca(yes I consider rue and viridis to be ayahuasca). Find the right method and you wont be let down. The dmt plant can fluctuate greatly. But DONT use more than 5-6 grams of rue your first time. 6 grams of rue can be very hallucinogenic by its self.

You really have to know your plants before you know exactly how to dose. Dose just happens to vary so greatly between different people.

You will eventually find what you want from these plants per dose.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/06 09:09 PM)


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: yageman]
    #6066303 - 09/15/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for all the help man!


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066308 - 09/15/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I just want more people to figure out how to use these plants for themselves. That and to not be scared of them or to feel a need to rely on a "shaman".

I do believe its the greatest hallucinogen known to man.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: uber_aj]
    #6066617 - 09/15/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

dmt is AWESOME book!


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #6066630 - 09/15/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

hmm, if you didn't know the difference between n-n-dmt and 5-meo-dmt (which are very very different both in effects and chemical makeup), i don't know if you're ready to do ayahuasca. do some reading man. that should b common knowledge.. the "DMT" everyone refers to, that is so mindshattering, and the DMT that Strassman's book is about, is n-n...


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Re: which dmt should i try for my first experience with it? hopefully in ayauscha [Re: agoutihead]
    #7214630 - 07/23/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

ok i have a few questions. and comments. first. it says rue isnt for human consumption. can u eat it safely. also can u take the mimosa or viridis without it and/or another maoi. or do u neeeed an maoi to make it work. last i want a mild dosage to trip but not insainly. of rue/mimosa. how many grams of each should i take. (using mimosa bc i like opiate effects). and oh yea my comment HBWS i ate them and got madd sick. and a question how can i not get sick its impossible to get the coating with the cyanide off it.


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