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Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks
    #6061672 - 09/14/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The Sunday Times May 07, 2006

Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks
Mark Franchetti, Moscow

WEARING camouflage and firing pellets from imitation AK-47 assault rifles, the Russians acting out battle scenes in the woods last week could have been mistaken for weekenders taking part in a game of paintball.

But the secret military training exercise 70 miles southeast of Moscow was far more sinister. The three-day gathering was attended by 50 hardline neo-Nazis who worship Adolf Hitler and believe that dark-skinned immigrants living in Russia should be killed.

The boot camp, which had taken months to organise, was planned to train them in combat skills and extremist ideology. Those taking part either support or have helped carry out a string of vicious racist attacks that have shocked Russia.

The “delegates” stayed in tents beneath the red and black swastika-like flag of the Nationalist Socialist Society. They fired mock firearms and trained with knives and clubs.

At night, flanked by torches, they gathered around a bonfire exchanging Nazi salutes, chanting slogans celebrating Hitler and making speeches about a “super-race” made up of ethnic Russians.

“We need to kill all dark-skinned immigrants,” explained a young man renowned as one of Moscow’s most radical skinheads who introduced himself as Tesak, Russian slang for “hatchet”.

Weighing 17 stone, shaven-headed and wearing a black bomber jacket, Tesak, 21, an unemployed building engineer, is respected by fellow neo- Nazis for his brutal attacks on non-whites.

His hands are covered in deep knife wounds from a recent bloody clash with an armed man from Tajikistan. He walks the streets with a 10in hunting knife strapped to his side and boasts of having beaten immigrants “to a pulp”.

Tesak recently launched his own neo-Nazi website, named in Hitler’s honour, on which footage of attacks on immigrants is posted. He claimed his violent message was becoming so popular that he was asked for his autograph on the Moscow metro.

“We shouldn’t just kill adults. We must get rid of their children too,” he said. “When you squash cockroaches to death, you don’t just kill the big ones. You go for the little ones too.”

The Soviet Union lost about 20m people in the second world war and in Russia — which prides itself as the nation that did most to defeat Hitler — the views of young men such as Tesak could be dismissed until recently as an aberration.

No longer. Fuelled by rampant nationalism, racist attacks have become tragically common. Last month alone saw a record nine racial murders and 24 assaults, including the near-fatal stabbing of a nine-year-old girl.

According to Sova, a non-governmental organisation that monitors the crimes, there were 28 racist murders in Russia last year. However, Amnesty International believes the true figure is much higher: the police play down the attacks by recording many of them as mere “hooliganism”.

Last week Amnesty warned that racism in Russian cities was spinning “out of control” and attacked the Kremlin for failing to act.

President Vladimir Putin, whose elder brother died as an infant in the siege of Leningrad, has condemned racist attacks, but experts say the authorities are failing to crack down. “No one wants to admit that the country which defeated fascism could possibly be a breeding ground for fascists,” said Galina Kozhevnikova, of Sova.

For all the media coverage that some racist murders have received in Russia, the young men — and four young women — who gathered at the camp last week said they were untroubled by the authorities.

On the contrary, Dimitri Rumyantsev, a 40-year-old computer programmer, said many Russian police officers shared his prejudices.

Rumyantsev, who gave a night-time speech greeted by his supporters with chants of “Sieg Heil”, said the neo-Nazis were planning a coup that would be supported by Russia’s security forces.

“Killing immigrants is all very well; it’s good to keep the adrenaline flowing among young skinheads and keeps morale up, but it changes nothing,” he said.

“We must seize power. Only then will we be able to get rid of them all.”

Recruits armed with imitation guns split into two groups and attacked one another to learn guerrilla tactics which, they said, would be needed in the coup.

The winning side was led by a tattooed ultra-racist who said he had fought as a volunteer against Muslim forces during the war in Bosnia.

After a rancid meal of buckwheat porridge and canned meat around a camp fire, they honed their combat skills.

Later, several neo-Nazis practised stabbing as an instructor demonstrated how to target a victim’s neck and stomach. “Go for the swine’s legs first. That way he can’t run away. Then you finish him off,” he said.

That same cold-blooded hatred led to the death of Khursheda Sultanova, to date the neo-Nazis’ youngest victim. The nine-year-old Tajik girl bled to death two years ago on the outskirts of St Petersburg after being stabbed repeatedly by a gang of skinheads chanting “Russia is for Russians” as she returned home with her family from an evening’s ice skating.

The killers were arrested and a jury found them guilty, but only of hooliganism. They were sentenced to a maximum of 5Å years in jail.

“It’s unbelievable. Killing my little daughter is only an act of hooliganism according to Russia’s authorities,” said Yunus Sultanov, 37, Khursheda’s father.

“They gave these murdering thugs a green light to keep killing us just because we are a different colour. They went out of their way to defend a bunch of killers just because I am Tajik. That’s the truth.”

A MONTH’S KILLINGS

April 6 Voronezh: Vietnamese man beaten to death

April 7 St Petersburg: Senegalese student shot dead

April 8 Moscow: girl of 19 with Asian features bludgeoned to death

April 8 Moscow region: Tajik worker thrown from train

April 13 Volgograd: two gypsies beaten to death

April 16 Moscow: 19-year-old anti-fascist activist knifed

April 22 Moscow: Tajik builder stabbed

April 22 Moscow: Armenian student stabbed

Source: Sova

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2168434,00.html


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6063711 - 09/15/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

muslims must be doing something wrong if the defeaters of facism have turned on them

sow and reap


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: quiver]
    #6063991 - 09/15/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Huh?

Islam is actually growing in Russia. 20% of Russia will be Muslim in a decade, I think, or was it two decades.... It's funny cause Russia could have been Muslim from the begining. The only reason it became Christian is because alcohol is isn't prohibited by Christianity but that doesn't matter because Russians will still drink vodka even if they are Muslim.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064007 - 09/15/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You are ridiculous.

Where did quiver say there weren't many Muslims in Russia? He was pointing out the ones there must be doing something wrong.

I think you need to get a grip on the English language.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064011 - 09/15/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually I didn't understand what he was talking about. The last part was just a fact about the growing muslim population in Russia. There are a lot of converts actually.

And Nazis actually support Muslims that want Jews dead. But at the same time Nazis think arab muslims are inferior. I am not sure what they think about Russians that convert to Islam though.


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Edited by downforpot (09/15/06 09:38 AM)

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064132 - 09/15/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck, neo nazis in russia?! They claim they have support from some authorities too. Thats not good at all. They arent just focusing on muslims either, the article did nothing to imply that they were focusing on muslims. They obviously dont like people with slanted eyes either, or anyone that isnt "pure." I thought people had grown beyond such dumb ideas such as a master race. Someone should teach them that there white skin is nothing but a mutation. Humans had dark skin before they had light skin.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6064139 - 09/15/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

badreligion2good said:
What the fuck, neo nazis in russia?! They claim they have support from some authorities too. Thats not good at all. They arent just focusing on muslims either, the article did nothing to imply that they were focusing on muslims. They obviously dont like people with slanted eyes either, or anyone that isnt "pure." I thought people had grown beyond such dumb ideas such as a master race. Someone should teach them that there white skin is nothing but a mutation. Humans had dark skin before they had light skin.




They aren't that educated to know that white skin is a mutation and that all humans originated from Africa. Plus they prolly need a purpose, like Tien.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064151 - 09/15/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's interesting how you look at white skin as a mutation, rather than an adaption.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064189 - 09/15/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yowza, it's strange my friend told me about this today. What is it with men of low intelligence wanting to make an enemy they can hate and justifiably kill? They need a hobby like internet porn or horse riding to take their mind off the brutal murder of innocent
non-whites.

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064204 - 09/15/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
It's interesting how you look at white skin as a mutation, rather than an adaption.




Well it was a mutation. A mutation that allowes humans in the northern hemisphere to absorb enough sun rays to produce vitamin D. That's what mutations do, they sometimes help an organism survive.

You see, dark skin in the southern hemisphere allows enough rays in to make vitamin D and helps prevent skin cancer. Whites in Africa have a higher rate of cancer than blacks.

But having dark skin in the northern hemisphere is not healthy because less sun rays get through and produce less vitamin d but that doesn't matter that much anymore because people can take Vitamin D in pill form.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064249 - 09/15/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Mutation - A permanent change, a structural alteration, in the DNA or RNA. Mutations can be caused by many factors including environmental insults such as radiation and mutagenic chemicals. Mutations are sometimes attributed to random chance events.

Adaptation - Changes in an organism's structure or habits that allow it to adjust to its surroundings.

Since the lightening of skin was NOT by chance, I think we are forced to go with adaptation.

You hate your own skin colour, how pathetic.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064267 - 09/15/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It was by chance....

How do I hate my own skin colour? We are all made up tons of mutations by the way.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064319 - 09/15/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It was by chance?

You said:
"A mutation that allowes humans in the northern hemisphere to absorb enough sun rays to produce vitamin D."

That happened by chance you say?


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064346 - 09/15/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. You should take a few more biology classes and understand how evolution works. Take a genetics class at your local university too, that should help.


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Edited by downforpot (09/15/06 11:21 AM)

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064369 - 09/15/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Do you know what evolution is? Natural selection? While chance is involved, the changes made are not left to chance, the changes made are what is best for the creature. Hardly chance.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064374 - 09/15/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

'The basic mechanisms that produce evolutionary change are natural selection (which includes ecological, sexual, and kin selection) and genetic drift; these two mechanisms act on the genetic variation created by mutation, genetic recombination and gene flow.'
Traits do not just adapt because they are handy, they occur usually as a result of mutation and survive to reproduce if they are beneficial. White skin not being a beneficial mutation for places exposed to large amounts of solar radiation.

Edited by Andy21 (09/15/06 11:28 AM)

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Andy21]
    #6064384 - 09/15/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep. So there were probably white mutations in Africa even before humans ventured out of africa. However, those individuals with white skin had lower survival rates.


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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064432 - 09/15/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I always thought adaptation was inspired by the surroundings. I guess I was wrong. I never took any biology in highschool though, I was a physics and chemistry man when it came to science.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: downforpot]
    #6064437 - 09/15/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I also thought it was the lack of sunlight on the skin that caused it to lighten, just like if I stay indoors I get pale. If I go outside a lot, I get a tan.

Is there anything to this idea?


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Russia's Nazis launch wave of racist attacks [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064447 - 09/15/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Mutations always occur. If they are favourable then they have a higher chance of being passed onto the next generation. If they are not then that individual or group of individuals will have lower chance of having offspring to pass on their genes.


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