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InvisibleSwami
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Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery
    #606423 - 04/12/02 12:36 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

I am many things to many people.

For those still stuck on the ego-plane, I allow you a chance to vent your anger and frustration so that you may not hurt another in "real life". Yes, I am the whipping boy. Throw stones and put me on the cross of your self-righteous indignation as you did to one long ago.

For those of you transitioning to Service-to-Others, it is a chance to practice the love of which you speak and recognize that I am another aspect of your own being.

For those who have arrived at the Oneness, the cosmic joke is already quite apparent to you.

Remember fellow travelers, Luke Skywalker was nothing without Darth Vader.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606431 - 04/12/02 12:47 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

I?ve always found you to be a very helpful entity on this site, because you have the proverbial needle to pop the swollen heads?.

I?ve never seen you use ideas like Service-to-Others, or maybe I just missed?

I think Service-to-Others & Service-to-Self are the best concepts I?ve been introduced to on this forum?.

A figure as long as we?re being constructive with our critiquing of each other?s thoughts and ideas then that is more then welcome; it is a necessity.

Anyways I always thought Darth Vader was pretty cool? and I thought Luke got pretty damn whinny? man I felt like smacking him a few times?.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606432 - 04/12/02 12:48 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

"...Luke Skywalker was nothing without Darth Vader."

Well said, young Jedi.

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606434 - 04/12/02 12:50 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

Very wise words :smile:
(I hope you weren't just being facetious). 

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606439 - 04/12/02 12:58 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

Luke Skywalker IS Darth Vader.

I love you Swami.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606475 - 04/12/02 01:31 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

You pretend this post is to vent anger, but the reality is that you just want someone to pay attention to you. That?s way you contradict every one, because one thing is to give an opinion but you just want reaction from people.
You must be a lonely guy.
PD: If you want to have friends this not the way
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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: LOBO]
    #606507 - 04/12/02 01:58 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

PD: If you want to have friends this not the way
Have restated many times that truth and popularity do not go hand-in-hand. Tell me what great historical figures were more concerned with how they were perceived (other than voted-in politicians!) than their pursuit of truth. Please name one. Did not realize that this was a Meet-Your-Mate or Make-New-Friends forum.

BTW KeepAskingTime loves me! :smile:
 


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606518 - 04/12/02 02:11 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

Poor swami still needs more attencion.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606528 - 04/12/02 02:23 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

I dont read every post, but from what i have read of yours, you are always trying to prove something, or prove yourself to be some kinda benefit to everyone else. Did i miss something?


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: tak]
    #606536 - 04/12/02 02:31 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

Swami shows more intelligence than most, and does it without making personal attacks. This is very rare and i give him props.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606544 - 04/12/02 02:41 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

"Truth is a sword that cuts in all directions.
It is a mind that is unprejudiced by religion, philosophy, and cultural conditioning. It is going naked in the stars. " - ?

"The astronomer may speak to you of his understanding of space, but he cannot give you his understanding. The musician may sing to you of the rhythm which is in space, but he cannot give you the ear which arrests the rhythm, nor the voice that echoes it. " - Kahlil Gibran (The Prophet)

i love you too swami, you help us to remain centered


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Amoeba665]
    #606548 - 04/12/02 02:45 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

confucicus say, all rights and no lefts makes man run in circles...


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InvisibleSwami
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Baby shroom photo [Re: Amoeba665]
    #606672 - 04/12/02 06:02 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

To discover Swami's gentler, artistic side; check out "Still Life with Flowers" under the Mushroom Pictures forum (page 3?).


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: tak]
    #606794 - 04/12/02 08:56 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

i was kinda getting the same thing...

For those who have arrived at the Oneness, the cosmic joke is already quite apparent to you.
that's a cosmic joke of it's own :wink:

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #606844 - 04/12/02 09:51 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

usually communication is a 2 way street, you give and take. you explained what you give, but what do you get from contributing to the shroomery?

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #607341 - 04/13/02 02:08 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Here's the bottom line Swami. This is the one and only reason why I have a problem with a number of your posts:

No spiritual theory can be proven. You ask people to prove their spirituality all the time, which you know cannot be done. Therefore, it appears to me as if you are just trying to be a jerk when you shoot someone's theory down because it can't be proven.

You envoke the image of great spiritual leaders in your arguement as if you're trying to send a message that is being suppressed by people like me, but I see it the other way around. The way I see it, the people who come here are trying to spread godliness, and you're saying "prove that there's a God", and trying to make them look dumb so that they'll shut up. You can't nail them to a cross and kill them, so you try to kill their enthusiasm for their spirituality.

Look, we're never going to come to an agreement. All i'm suggesting is if you're going to express your opinion, you should have an opinion instead of just saying "prove it" to people. If someone has an opinion that you don't agree with, make a suggestion. There's nothing at all wrong with that.

I don't know if i've been able to express my feelings on this issue well enough because i'm not as articulate as you are. Oh well.





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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Learyfan]
    #607497 - 04/13/02 06:52 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Let's not attack the precious spiritual belief system gets one so twisted as to do a suicide bombing.

No, it is taboo to question that. Lets accept all errant thought forms no matter the consequences.

You may dislike me which is fine. But it is important to understand that people are not killed nor ripped off by the Swamis of this world.


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #607520 - 04/13/02 07:12 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

many Swami's who would have thought!

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607546 - 04/13/02 07:56 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Is there only one nug?


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #607553 - 04/13/02 08:11 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

nugs is'nt my real name, Arete is, and yes, as far as I know, there is only one Arete, but I was talking with a European last night, and he knows a Aretol, very close but still not me!

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607555 - 04/13/02 08:13 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

arete means "earring" in spanish


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Learyfan]
    #607643 - 04/13/02 11:05 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

well said learyfan, I think all swami is doing is trying to detur us from our spirituality so he can have it all for himself, lol. Swami is a trickster with many faces behind the one shown on this site, i think mybe we should ask him what he really wants from us, he can't be all about what he claims to be, or not to be, I guess swami for you it could all come down to wanting attention, but why would you spend do much time here just for that?


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Tribal Association [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #607661 - 04/13/02 11:37 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Dammit!
Chemblue, I just don't think you get it.
When you enter a philosophy forum, you must understand that you're going to have people critiquing your posts. If you can't handle it, don't post. Philosophy wouldn't be philosophy without debates. I don't think this forum is here merely to let you assert your opinion without someone having the chance to counter it. I never read people bitching about someone countering a notion in their post in the Cultivation forum... why should it be different in this one?


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Hello Internet [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #607790 - 04/14/02 03:06 AM (22 years, 12 days ago)

"I think all swami is doing is trying to detur us from our spirituality so he can have it all for himself"

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: Sclorch]
    #607791 - 04/14/02 03:07 AM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Arete means STop in French also, it is'nt pronouced like either though.

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607838 - 04/14/02 04:14 AM (22 years, 12 days ago)

"Arr?t".. as seen on thousands and thousands of stop signs... Quebec wide.



"Arr-eight"

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607857 - 04/14/02 05:12 AM (22 years, 12 days ago)

'arety' means virtue in greek, and it is a female name

also, 'arhetos' is the unexpressable
(rhetoric comes from rhetos, which is the opposite of arhetos)

Edited by raytrace (04/14/02 08:37 AM)

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608056 - 04/14/02 12:27 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

"Swami: A Sanskrit word meaning spiritual preceptor, teacher, learned or holy man; used as an HONORARY TITLE [capitals mine] with proper names." - Dictionary of Mysticism by Frank Gaynor, 1973.

Um...I'm wondering if you are writing in general, with a screen name, or if you are identifying with those Hindus who have had the title 'Swami' bestowed upon them? Metaphoric use of 'crucifixion,' would certainly suggest that identification with the archetype of a Divine Self, re: Christ may be operating in your linguistically expressive psyche.

I have been ripped off by a cultic figure when I was in teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation in the 70's. The title of that one was Maharishi [great sage]. I have witnessed the rip offs by men and women who boasted titles of 'Guru,' Maharaji [great king], Rinpoche, and others. Manipura [as in the Indo-Aryan Manipu-lation] Chakra-centered one and all. God as Ego/Power.

Placing spiritually exalted states upon another is called projection. Believing the projection one has so placed is called projective identification. When one assumes the identity oneself, it results in a dangerous ego-inflation which is generally followed by a great 'fall,' or deflation [Myth of Icarus]. This is a brief description of cult followers and cult leaders, respectively. One needs to be particularly vigilant about one's inner states if either of these dynamics begin to happen, particularly in the wake of entheogenic excursions.

Of course, I might be entirely off base here, in which case you may simply disregard my concern. Shanti.

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #608170 - 04/14/02 03:04 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Swami was a nickname given to me when I played semi-professional backgammon. Others thought I had inner sight and dice control. Of course it was just odds and mathematics.


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608227 - 04/14/02 04:57 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Swami-
Does this mean I can't join your cult?

dammit! *pounds fist on desk*


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608823 - 04/15/02 06:52 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Let me just clairify that I see nothing wrong with constructive criticizm of sprituality posts. Noone should accept anything on face value. The manner in which Swami does it is what I had a problem with, but that's my opinion, and opinions are like dicks....everybodys got one.



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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #608860 - 04/15/02 08:06 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Hummm.........? You sound like you are telling us that you feel attacked and that there is more than meets the eye (or post) about you.

Aside from having my posts torn apart periodically by you, I have no problem. It would greatly benefit me, personally, if instead of simply saying that I (or someone else posting) is wrong......that you would point the way and show us all the truth. Even if that truth is......"I don't know what the answer is, but this is my experience......"
I don't believe that any of us have all the answers, (and you have never claimed to have all the answers) but many of your posts come across as though.....we need to agree with you or we are wrong. If we can't prove it to you, then it doesn't exist for any of us. This is the message that I keep hearing.
Its kind of like we're all kids playing in a sandbox, and you want all the rest of us to play by your rules instead of just having a good time.

I mean, think about it. How many people could make a post like this one, all about themselves, and get away with not being eaten alive by other posters. A post about one person is not normally a forum for spiritual or philisophical discussion. But you dominate the scene and "call anybody out" who opposes you in an endless intellectual debate. I've seen numerous posts where the person posting picks up and affirms their beliefs and where you claim victory, because the person just didn"t want to deal with you anymore. I've done this several times.

Maybe, like myself, there are some of us who don"t need to "win" on these posts. This isn't reality, this is just a place to have fun and share my thoughts and experience.
For instance, I will be "cleansing a house" of negative energies/spirits on Thursday this week. Most people reading this don't even believe in this sort of thing. But the people I will be helping do. They will have a problem solved that they could not solve and when I leave with the others on the team, the people will still have their money, and their dignity. They won't be under my "control" and their children will be safe.
Can I prove any of this......no. But I don't have to. If you were here you could ask the many people I have helped and they would tell you.
To me this is just a fun place where I pull aside to share. When it stops being fun I won't post here anymore.

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Tannis]
    #608894 - 04/15/02 09:08 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

It would greatly benefit me, personally, if instead of simply saying that I (or someone else posting) is wrong......that you would point the way and show us all the truth.
I am no Messiah, just know a little bit more about logic and many of the subjects brought up here than most (have been around the planet longer and have done tons of research over the years).

I mean, think about it. How many people could make a post like this one, all about themselves, and get away with not being eaten alive by other posters.
No one else could possible pull it off. Actually I have reserved two threads all about me! Me, me me!

Seriously though, I put this up so that all the Swami-bashers could blow off steam. So very many people have resorted to the ad-hominem instead of pointing out the error in my arguments, so here the place to rip me up. My motivation, history, personality have all been inappropriately brought up time and again in other posts. Seems many are more interested in the who rather than the what.

I've seen numerous posts where the person posting picks up and affirms their beliefs and where you claim victory...
My claim of victory is not about ego, nor merely about belief systems like so many think. It is more of a "Here I caught you in a major inconsistency" and instead of admitting it or defending it, the poster runs and hides.

Maybe, like myself, there are some of us who don"t need to "win" on these posts.
I really could care less about "winning". I care more about understanding.

For instance, I will be "cleansing a house" of negative energies/spirits on Thursday this week. Most people reading this don't even believe in this sort of thing. But the people I will be helping do.
A lot of things "work" when the subjects / customers / disciples (or whatever) believe in the process. Maybe that gives it value in some minds, but it doesn't make it real. Do you believe the house is inhabitted by other sentient energy-forms? Why do you believe that? How do you detect them? How do you get them to go away?Is your performance just for the homeowner?

They won't be under my "control" and their children will be safe.
Very defensive here. I have stated on several occassions how certain types of unquestioning belief and / or thinking may lead to disastrous results (i.e. Heaven's Gate). I have never stated that you were dangerous to anyone.

Very few others here take the time to even evaluate ideas like this, they will just nod and go "Yup." Is that want you want from everyone?


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609080 - 04/15/02 01:19 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Messiah or not, I still think you have some good information to add. I hope I'm not viewed as a Swami basher but as someone who just wants to understand others and their viewpoints. I see your point about "inconsistancies". That is a problem area. I've found myself numerous times, simply not having the time to put all the information I know about a subject on a post, but like I said, I just consider this "fun".

To answer the questions you asked:
I haven't been to this house yet. I do believe that entities or spirits sometimes infest places, but I can not always tell this until I observe the scene. I have on several occasions told people that the "problem" they are experiencing is not a "spiritual" one and that it has some natural cause.

What I do is not a performance at all. Each case is different than the last. I don't have a set way of doing things. Usually, when I enter a place I "sense" or "feel" something and this something just takes on a recognizable form in my mind. I realize that this is not at all scienticfic, and it is open to misuse. That's why I stated that I don't charge people or bring them under my control. Its not being defensive. It would be very easy to "take" most folks for everything they are worth because they are usually afraid by the time they call me. I try to still their fears and teach them how to deal with these situations on their own if possible. I try to help them learn how to not be afraid. Most are in bad shape though. I take what I do very seriously and have developed a reputation for being level headed, up front, and have a very good track record. I realize that this sort of thing involves the people trusting me completely. This is why I encourage them to deal with whatever issues arise. Some are not able to do this. This is also the danger in this kind of arrangement. A person walks in and states that you have to trust me completely and do everything I say. I'm just glad when these folks get me and not some money grabbing fraud!

Many believe they or a family member are "pocessed" and while that is possible, it is usually just bullshit! Somebody just looking for an "easy way out" of a situation.
When there is an entity, they are usually told to leave. Sounds too simple but that is usually how it goes. It does involve the person doing this to function in some "authority" as............ "in the name of Jesus".........or something.........

The rest involves using "energy" to set up boundaries or such........books could be written on this subject and still the person guiding the situation must "go with what they feel".
This is also the place where I attempt to "tune into" the people involved and give them what is meaningful to them.
All I have to do is focus the energy, but sometimes the folks involved feel better if say, the house is annointed or if they themselves are annointed or such....... This serves as a focal point for them and I do it if "they" need it.

Edited by Tannis (04/15/02 01:24 PM)

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Tannis]
    #609098 - 04/15/02 01:42 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Here is where the problem comes in, as even you admit. A person looking for help has ABSOLUTELY no way to discern if the psychic, mystic, guru, shaman, exorcist, ghost-buster or whatever is authentic (assuming for the moment that authentic adepts in these fields even exist) other than the say-so of other clients.

Now someone like Van Praague has thousands of clients and has been shown to be a total fraud (to my satisfaction), so word of mouth is not strong evidence.

As nothing can be seen or measured before or after then it goes back to my signature quote.

For example, I was going to go to a psychic healer having exhausted conventional medicine for a physical ailment. He wanted $100 per hour session and a minimum of 5 sessions. I told him I would guarantee him $500 per hour if his treatment was efficacious. I would draw up a contract. I had "before" X-Rays and would take some "after" X-Rays to measure the difference. Naturally he declined.

Had an Evangelical Christian do a laying-on of hands to heal me. No change.

I believe that you are sincere, but beyond that would need some sort of a demonstration to take stock in yours or anyone else's paranormal abilities.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609710 - 04/16/02 04:19 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

If i was a door...
I would be open for everybody...


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609749 - 04/16/02 06:22 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Wow! Thank you! An open discussion that disagrees with but doesn't slam me in anyway.....that's cool......Met me at the bar on Friday for some "laying on of hands on beers".....Everybody gets healed! ( or at the very least....happy).
Seriously though, the point you make is a good one. "Psychic healing" or ability is dangerous because the person receiving has to totally trust the "sender" or nothing will happen. The other thing is, the "sender" must have more ability than the "receiver".
No disrespect intended by this statement, but I wonder if the "healers" you encountered were less powerful than you....??????
You come across in your posts with a very strong presence.
I remember an evangelical minister who was laying on hands in a church once and people were falling to the floor right and left. He came to me and nothing happened! So he tried again and again almost pushing me backwards and still nothing happened! He had a terrified look on his face and just moved on. I smiled. ( Never touch an empath on their forehead......) This guy didn't have as much "push" as I did and I just gently "pushed" back and he had no effect on me.
I'm really sorry that your personal experiences have been negative ones. I guess the best we can do is agree to disagree, but as I said, cautions are warranted when dealing with this sort of thing. I tell the people I work with to question anything I do which they do not understand, and I ask their permission and explain things before doing anything.

I wish that I could take my years of experience and just share it in an instant with you and all those here at the Shroomery......but until that is possible I will keep posting and working with those who trust my help.
(And remember.....trust can be dangerous..........but what a way to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #611298 - 04/17/02 09:21 PM (22 years, 8 days ago)

Swami, I have nothing against you. However sometimes it seems to me that you think that you are a bastion of reason and truth and you are doing all of us who are dwelling "on the ego-plain" a big favor by giving us your nuggets of wisdom. Smetimes you are a little antagonistic (my perception), and I feel that this post is a good example of that. If you are claiming to have become enlightened (as thats what I take "arriving at Oneness" to mean), then you would have absolutely no reason to explain yourself like this. If you really want to help I thikn you should re-evaluate your approach - this "I am the whipping boy" thing is a crock. If you hold the Truth, you should be able to lead people to it more gracefully instead of sometimes making people feel like their ideas are threatened by your self-righteousness. Words hold great power when used properly, and you are gifted with great eloquence, but do not delude yourself by thinking that you know all...

Peace.....

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #611363 - 04/17/02 10:29 PM (22 years, 8 days ago)

Swami I think your logic is important for the message board although at times I feel it can be overbearing. You admit you don't have the answers to life's questions but do you ever try to see if reality extends beyond your borders of reality? I try and get what I can from everyones posts and ideas and I do get a lot from yours. This is why im glad to have you around, along with the large majority of the rest of the Shroomerites. I like your questioning mentality and I feel its a powerful tool that should never be overlooked. If you prove me wrong, Fantastic but some things aren't in black and white and I feel we need to search into the grey areas a little better. Problem is your Black and White is my Grey.

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: SoulTech]
    #611369 - 04/17/02 10:34 PM (22 years, 8 days ago)

at least in Spirituality and Philosophy people are nice, methink Swami not last any more than a week with that attitude in off topic.

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: Jared]
    #631427 - 05/15/02 08:37 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

In french arretez is said like ahretee, I think, my name is more said like Airahtae, but if you were to translate that to french it would mean a mountain that slopes down on three sides, opposed to two sides, which I don't know what it is called.

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: nugsarenice]
    #631673 - 05/15/02 12:00 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Another dead thread...


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Swami your turban is too tight [Re: Swami]
    #631933 - 05/15/02 03:05 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Cranial expansion will do that every time.

Swami ponitificates: "My claim of victory is not about ego, nor merely about belief systems like so many think. It is more of a "Here I caught you in a major inconsistency" and instead of admitting it or defending it, the poster runs and hides."

Let me bring in a recent exchange. (Non-believers and ego-loss)

Swami (5/11)
"...Very heavy doses bring on complete neuronal disruption, to the point where you are unable to process any thoughts whatsoever; i.e. ego loss."

Two things came to mind--first, you don't know anything about "complete neuronal disruption; and second, you don't know anything about ego loss.

But there's something I didn't realize: Swami has a very special definition of "thought." Can you guess what it is? Come on, it's easy--it's "the one that most closely applied to the discussion" about ego loss. Whatever that means.

So when Smarmi says "any thoughts whatsoever" we can be sure he means "any of the particular kinds of thoughts that I'm talking about whatsoever."

He later clarifies-obfuscates: "Thinking decreases with increased dosage." (5/12)

Obviously I was still struggling with his definitions (they do play hard to get), and I responded, (5/13)

"Sometimes, on shrooms, my thoughts are going a thousand mph! And constantly branching into fractal sub-thoughts. One thought creates two parallels, each of these spawns a pair of afterthoughts, and so on. On higher doses I can see the pattern of the thoughts, like a spiral tie-dye, on the backs of my eyelids. Thinking, however rambled and confused, is anything but decreased.

Swarmy replies with this gem: "The number of thoughts may increase exponentially, but I would not call that thinking. One's ability to reason or to intentionally control the thought process decreases." (5/13)

Are you rewriting the English language?

(And then, FINALLY, "the" definition is offered)
Think:
1 a : to exercise the powers of judgment, conception, or inference : REASON

Your ridiculously tunnel-visioned definitions of 'thought' and 'think' came only after the fact, when you were compelled by my and other posts to qualify just what in hell you were talking about.

Why don't you just admit that you've failed to bridge the span between the physiological and psychological aspects of psilocybin mushrooms?

hongomon

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Reading Comprehension... [Re: hongomon]
    #632866 - 05/16/02 08:40 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

You didn't say anything, I hope you realize...

You obviously overlooked (or didn't comprehend MY post in that thread):

As far as the thought vs. think issue...
It is my contention that "think" implies intention whereas "thought" does not necessarily imply intention. I think that psiloc(yb)in triggers neural cascades that are similar to that of a normal thought process, however since it is a random event... there is no intentionality. Therefore, shrooms do not make you think (until afterwards maybe)... they merely bombard you with thoughts.

Question: What's so narrow about my use of the language?

hongomon: My dictionary has 27 entries for "think," and I believe Swami's and Sclorch's definitions to be very narrow.

Swami: I "think" that listing all 27 definitions would not only have bored everyone to tears, but would have muddied the waters more than picking the one that most closely applied to the discussion. Succinctness has a beauty all its own.


Did you miss that too?


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Comping readehension [Re: Sclorch]
    #633201 - 05/16/02 12:32 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

(From my post that is apparently beyond Sclurch's grasp)

[But there's something I didn't realize: Swami has a very special definition of "thought." Can you guess what it is? Come on, it's easy--it's "the one that most closely applied to the discussion" about ego loss. Whatever that means.]

Yes, I caught that. It made me laugh. The definition that most closely applied to the discussion. I love it! Your pseudo-definitions are a laugh too, but at least you show effort to qualify them as your own POV.

The gripe I have with Swampi is something like this:
1) He makes sweeping statements full of absolutes like "most closely," "all," and "whatsoever."
2) He throws out these ridiculous statements and declares, "Prove me wrong!"
3) He's a condescending twit with a Polonius complex.

If we insist on redefining as we go or otherwise altering details to keep lame duck assertions afloat, we merely dogmatize ourselves.

No handicaps you need to worry yourself over, thanks for asking.

hongomon

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Clarification [Re: hongomon]
    #633251 - 05/16/02 01:36 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Pettiness (read childish):
"Sclurch's" "Swampi" "Swarmy" "Smarmi"
Now I know you're in high school still.

Your pseudo-definitions are a laugh too, but at least you show effort to qualify them as your own POV.
Aw... you bring a tear to my eye. Rather than just ASSERTING that I am wrong, why don't you SHOW me? So that I won't make the mistake again.

The gripe I have with Swampi is something like this:
1) He makes sweeping statements full of absolutes like "most closely," "all," and "whatsoever."
Okay, those words are out of context...
However, if you interpreted (correctly or incorrectly- I don't know) the posts that used those phrases as absolutist and you don't like the idea of absolutes... then more power to you.

2) He throws out these ridiculous statements and declares, "Prove me wrong!"
Examples???

3) He's a condescending twit with a Polonius complex.
Constructive. No... really, I like polemics.


If we insist on redefining as we go or otherwise altering details to keep lame duck assertions afloat, we merely dogmatize ourselves.

Well, I agree... we shouldn't have to define words so much. But if people knew how to use the words correctly...
As far as the lame duck assertions... I generally agree with that.
You do realize the phrase "lame duck" is not only polemical, but also implies absolute judgement (see gripe #1), don't you?


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