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Offlinekrispyfi
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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607555 - 04/13/02 08:13 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

arete means "earring" in spanish


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Learyfan]
    #607643 - 04/13/02 11:05 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

well said learyfan, I think all swami is doing is trying to detur us from our spirituality so he can have it all for himself, lol. Swami is a trickster with many faces behind the one shown on this site, i think mybe we should ask him what he really wants from us, he can't be all about what he claims to be, or not to be, I guess swami for you it could all come down to wanting attention, but why would you spend do much time here just for that?


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Tribal Association [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #607661 - 04/13/02 11:37 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Dammit!
Chemblue, I just don't think you get it.
When you enter a philosophy forum, you must understand that you're going to have people critiquing your posts. If you can't handle it, don't post. Philosophy wouldn't be philosophy without debates. I don't think this forum is here merely to let you assert your opinion without someone having the chance to counter it. I never read people bitching about someone countering a notion in their post in the Cultivation forum... why should it be different in this one?


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Hello Internet [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
    #607790 - 04/14/02 03:06 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

"I think all swami is doing is trying to detur us from our spirituality so he can have it all for himself"

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: Sclorch]
    #607791 - 04/14/02 03:07 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Arete means STop in French also, it is'nt pronouced like either though.

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607838 - 04/14/02 04:14 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

"Arr?t".. as seen on thousands and thousands of stop signs... Quebec wide.



"Arr-eight"

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Re: Tribal Association [Re: nugsarenice]
    #607857 - 04/14/02 05:12 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

'arety' means virtue in greek, and it is a female name

also, 'arhetos' is the unexpressable
(rhetoric comes from rhetos, which is the opposite of arhetos)

Edited by raytrace (04/14/02 08:37 AM)

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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608056 - 04/14/02 12:27 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

"Swami: A Sanskrit word meaning spiritual preceptor, teacher, learned or holy man; used as an HONORARY TITLE [capitals mine] with proper names." - Dictionary of Mysticism by Frank Gaynor, 1973.

Um...I'm wondering if you are writing in general, with a screen name, or if you are identifying with those Hindus who have had the title 'Swami' bestowed upon them? Metaphoric use of 'crucifixion,' would certainly suggest that identification with the archetype of a Divine Self, re: Christ may be operating in your linguistically expressive psyche.

I have been ripped off by a cultic figure when I was in teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation in the 70's. The title of that one was Maharishi [great sage]. I have witnessed the rip offs by men and women who boasted titles of 'Guru,' Maharaji [great king], Rinpoche, and others. Manipura [as in the Indo-Aryan Manipu-lation] Chakra-centered one and all. God as Ego/Power.

Placing spiritually exalted states upon another is called projection. Believing the projection one has so placed is called projective identification. When one assumes the identity oneself, it results in a dangerous ego-inflation which is generally followed by a great 'fall,' or deflation [Myth of Icarus]. This is a brief description of cult followers and cult leaders, respectively. One needs to be particularly vigilant about one's inner states if either of these dynamics begin to happen, particularly in the wake of entheogenic excursions.

Of course, I might be entirely off base here, in which case you may simply disregard my concern. Shanti.

-MtG


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #608170 - 04/14/02 03:04 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Swami was a nickname given to me when I played semi-professional backgammon. Others thought I had inner sight and dice control. Of course it was just odds and mathematics.


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608227 - 04/14/02 04:57 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Swami-
Does this mean I can't join your cult?

dammit! *pounds fist on desk*


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Re: Baby shroom photo [Re: Swami]
    #608823 - 04/15/02 06:52 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Let me just clairify that I see nothing wrong with constructive criticizm of sprituality posts. Noone should accept anything on face value. The manner in which Swami does it is what I had a problem with, but that's my opinion, and opinions are like dicks....everybodys got one.



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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #608860 - 04/15/02 08:06 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hummm.........? You sound like you are telling us that you feel attacked and that there is more than meets the eye (or post) about you.

Aside from having my posts torn apart periodically by you, I have no problem. It would greatly benefit me, personally, if instead of simply saying that I (or someone else posting) is wrong......that you would point the way and show us all the truth. Even if that truth is......"I don't know what the answer is, but this is my experience......"
I don't believe that any of us have all the answers, (and you have never claimed to have all the answers) but many of your posts come across as though.....we need to agree with you or we are wrong. If we can't prove it to you, then it doesn't exist for any of us. This is the message that I keep hearing.
Its kind of like we're all kids playing in a sandbox, and you want all the rest of us to play by your rules instead of just having a good time.

I mean, think about it. How many people could make a post like this one, all about themselves, and get away with not being eaten alive by other posters. A post about one person is not normally a forum for spiritual or philisophical discussion. But you dominate the scene and "call anybody out" who opposes you in an endless intellectual debate. I've seen numerous posts where the person posting picks up and affirms their beliefs and where you claim victory, because the person just didn"t want to deal with you anymore. I've done this several times.

Maybe, like myself, there are some of us who don"t need to "win" on these posts. This isn't reality, this is just a place to have fun and share my thoughts and experience.
For instance, I will be "cleansing a house" of negative energies/spirits on Thursday this week. Most people reading this don't even believe in this sort of thing. But the people I will be helping do. They will have a problem solved that they could not solve and when I leave with the others on the team, the people will still have their money, and their dignity. They won't be under my "control" and their children will be safe.
Can I prove any of this......no. But I don't have to. If you were here you could ask the many people I have helped and they would tell you.
To me this is just a fun place where I pull aside to share. When it stops being fun I won't post here anymore.

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Tannis]
    #608894 - 04/15/02 09:08 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

It would greatly benefit me, personally, if instead of simply saying that I (or someone else posting) is wrong......that you would point the way and show us all the truth.
I am no Messiah, just know a little bit more about logic and many of the subjects brought up here than most (have been around the planet longer and have done tons of research over the years).

I mean, think about it. How many people could make a post like this one, all about themselves, and get away with not being eaten alive by other posters.
No one else could possible pull it off. Actually I have reserved two threads all about me! Me, me me!

Seriously though, I put this up so that all the Swami-bashers could blow off steam. So very many people have resorted to the ad-hominem instead of pointing out the error in my arguments, so here the place to rip me up. My motivation, history, personality have all been inappropriately brought up time and again in other posts. Seems many are more interested in the who rather than the what.

I've seen numerous posts where the person posting picks up and affirms their beliefs and where you claim victory...
My claim of victory is not about ego, nor merely about belief systems like so many think. It is more of a "Here I caught you in a major inconsistency" and instead of admitting it or defending it, the poster runs and hides.

Maybe, like myself, there are some of us who don"t need to "win" on these posts.
I really could care less about "winning". I care more about understanding.

For instance, I will be "cleansing a house" of negative energies/spirits on Thursday this week. Most people reading this don't even believe in this sort of thing. But the people I will be helping do.
A lot of things "work" when the subjects / customers / disciples (or whatever) believe in the process. Maybe that gives it value in some minds, but it doesn't make it real. Do you believe the house is inhabitted by other sentient energy-forms? Why do you believe that? How do you detect them? How do you get them to go away?Is your performance just for the homeowner?

They won't be under my "control" and their children will be safe.
Very defensive here. I have stated on several occassions how certain types of unquestioning belief and / or thinking may lead to disastrous results (i.e. Heaven's Gate). I have never stated that you were dangerous to anyone.

Very few others here take the time to even evaluate ideas like this, they will just nod and go "Yup." Is that want you want from everyone?


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OfflineTannis
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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609080 - 04/15/02 01:19 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Messiah or not, I still think you have some good information to add. I hope I'm not viewed as a Swami basher but as someone who just wants to understand others and their viewpoints. I see your point about "inconsistancies". That is a problem area. I've found myself numerous times, simply not having the time to put all the information I know about a subject on a post, but like I said, I just consider this "fun".

To answer the questions you asked:
I haven't been to this house yet. I do believe that entities or spirits sometimes infest places, but I can not always tell this until I observe the scene. I have on several occasions told people that the "problem" they are experiencing is not a "spiritual" one and that it has some natural cause.

What I do is not a performance at all. Each case is different than the last. I don't have a set way of doing things. Usually, when I enter a place I "sense" or "feel" something and this something just takes on a recognizable form in my mind. I realize that this is not at all scienticfic, and it is open to misuse. That's why I stated that I don't charge people or bring them under my control. Its not being defensive. It would be very easy to "take" most folks for everything they are worth because they are usually afraid by the time they call me. I try to still their fears and teach them how to deal with these situations on their own if possible. I try to help them learn how to not be afraid. Most are in bad shape though. I take what I do very seriously and have developed a reputation for being level headed, up front, and have a very good track record. I realize that this sort of thing involves the people trusting me completely. This is why I encourage them to deal with whatever issues arise. Some are not able to do this. This is also the danger in this kind of arrangement. A person walks in and states that you have to trust me completely and do everything I say. I'm just glad when these folks get me and not some money grabbing fraud!

Many believe they or a family member are "pocessed" and while that is possible, it is usually just bullshit! Somebody just looking for an "easy way out" of a situation.
When there is an entity, they are usually told to leave. Sounds too simple but that is usually how it goes. It does involve the person doing this to function in some "authority" as............ "in the name of Jesus".........or something.........

The rest involves using "energy" to set up boundaries or such........books could be written on this subject and still the person guiding the situation must "go with what they feel".
This is also the place where I attempt to "tune into" the people involved and give them what is meaningful to them.
All I have to do is focus the energy, but sometimes the folks involved feel better if say, the house is annointed or if they themselves are annointed or such....... This serves as a focal point for them and I do it if "they" need it.

Edited by Tannis (04/15/02 01:24 PM)

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Tannis]
    #609098 - 04/15/02 01:42 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Here is where the problem comes in, as even you admit. A person looking for help has ABSOLUTELY no way to discern if the psychic, mystic, guru, shaman, exorcist, ghost-buster or whatever is authentic (assuming for the moment that authentic adepts in these fields even exist) other than the say-so of other clients.

Now someone like Van Praague has thousands of clients and has been shown to be a total fraud (to my satisfaction), so word of mouth is not strong evidence.

As nothing can be seen or measured before or after then it goes back to my signature quote.

For example, I was going to go to a psychic healer having exhausted conventional medicine for a physical ailment. He wanted $100 per hour session and a minimum of 5 sessions. I told him I would guarantee him $500 per hour if his treatment was efficacious. I would draw up a contract. I had "before" X-Rays and would take some "after" X-Rays to measure the difference. Naturally he declined.

Had an Evangelical Christian do a laying-on of hands to heal me. No change.

I believe that you are sincere, but beyond that would need some sort of a demonstration to take stock in yours or anyone else's paranormal abilities.


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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609710 - 04/16/02 04:19 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

If i was a door...
I would be open for everybody...


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OfflineTannis
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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #609749 - 04/16/02 06:22 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Wow! Thank you! An open discussion that disagrees with but doesn't slam me in anyway.....that's cool......Met me at the bar on Friday for some "laying on of hands on beers".....Everybody gets healed! ( or at the very least....happy).
Seriously though, the point you make is a good one. "Psychic healing" or ability is dangerous because the person receiving has to totally trust the "sender" or nothing will happen. The other thing is, the "sender" must have more ability than the "receiver".
No disrespect intended by this statement, but I wonder if the "healers" you encountered were less powerful than you....??????
You come across in your posts with a very strong presence.
I remember an evangelical minister who was laying on hands in a church once and people were falling to the floor right and left. He came to me and nothing happened! So he tried again and again almost pushing me backwards and still nothing happened! He had a terrified look on his face and just moved on. I smiled. ( Never touch an empath on their forehead......) This guy didn't have as much "push" as I did and I just gently "pushed" back and he had no effect on me.
I'm really sorry that your personal experiences have been negative ones. I guess the best we can do is agree to disagree, but as I said, cautions are warranted when dealing with this sort of thing. I tell the people I work with to question anything I do which they do not understand, and I ask their permission and explain things before doing anything.

I wish that I could take my years of experience and just share it in an instant with you and all those here at the Shroomery......but until that is possible I will keep posting and working with those who trust my help.
(And remember.....trust can be dangerous..........but what a way to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #611298 - 04/17/02 09:21 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Swami, I have nothing against you. However sometimes it seems to me that you think that you are a bastion of reason and truth and you are doing all of us who are dwelling "on the ego-plain" a big favor by giving us your nuggets of wisdom. Smetimes you are a little antagonistic (my perception), and I feel that this post is a good example of that. If you are claiming to have become enlightened (as thats what I take "arriving at Oneness" to mean), then you would have absolutely no reason to explain yourself like this. If you really want to help I thikn you should re-evaluate your approach - this "I am the whipping boy" thing is a crock. If you hold the Truth, you should be able to lead people to it more gracefully instead of sometimes making people feel like their ideas are threatened by your self-righteousness. Words hold great power when used properly, and you are gifted with great eloquence, but do not delude yourself by thinking that you know all...

Peace.....

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: Swami]
    #611363 - 04/17/02 10:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Swami I think your logic is important for the message board although at times I feel it can be overbearing. You admit you don't have the answers to life's questions but do you ever try to see if reality extends beyond your borders of reality? I try and get what I can from everyones posts and ideas and I do get a lot from yours. This is why im glad to have you around, along with the large majority of the rest of the Shroomerites. I like your questioning mentality and I feel its a powerful tool that should never be overlooked. If you prove me wrong, Fantastic but some things aren't in black and white and I feel we need to search into the grey areas a little better. Problem is your Black and White is my Grey.

Peace.

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Re: Swami's REAL Purpose on the Shroomery [Re: SoulTech]
    #611369 - 04/17/02 10:34 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

at least in Spirituality and Philosophy people are nice, methink Swami not last any more than a week with that attitude in off topic.

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