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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom.
    #6061788 - 09/14/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.bis.doc.gov/news/2002/umustcomply11_4_02.htm

While individuals cannot be punished for simply not buying something, you can be punished for showing support of the boycott. Also, companies can be fined and individuals can be jailed for partaking.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6062183 - 09/14/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Arab League should just get their shit together and offer cheaper goods, then boycotts against Israel wouldn't even be needed.

With the wage differential alone it shouldn't be that hard to produce cheaper goods than the Israelis...

PS - Anti-boycott regulations SUCK

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Economist]
    #6062375 - 09/14/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/AbarbsVsIsrael-01.htm

" The antiboycott laws were adopted to encourage, and in specified cases, require U.S. firms to refuse to participate in foreign boycotts that the United States does not sanction. They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy.?


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6062749 - 09/14/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Does anyone know where one could find a list of "blacklisted companies"?


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063204 - 09/14/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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BIS has a long record of aggressive enforcement of the antiboycott regulations, with over $26 million in civil penalties imposed and denials of export privileges where violations have been found.





wow what a crock of shit.

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6063229 - 09/14/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/AbarbsVsIsrael-01.htm

" The antiboycott laws were adopted to encourage, and in specified cases, require U.S. firms to refuse to participate in foreign boycotts that the United States does not sanction. They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy.?




Good try, your little quote does nothing. Do you even know what you just quoted means? So if your government does not sanction free speech(like this case) it is ok. What's the deal with that old piece of paper, think it's called the constitution.

You guys are at war to spread fundamental freedoms, which you are denied.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

Edited by alpharedecho (09/14/06 11:42 PM)

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063303 - 09/15/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's so that foreign entities have no hand in our national and foreign policies.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6063354 - 09/15/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Keep telling yourself that. You never cease to amaze me. IDF could cut the heads off arab children, and you would find a way to twist it into being okay. You make me sick!


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063362 - 09/15/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Except IDF would never do it because they answer to the world. When they shoot a civilian there were and will be investigations. Muslim extermists can cut off as many heads as they want and you won't say a word because they are fighting the people and ideaology that you hate.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6063371 - 09/15/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

IDF answers to the world? Hahaha, yeah just like when they bombed that UN facility, you know, the one that called Tel Aviv 10 times telling them the bombs were getting too close. One of my countrymen died in that tragedy.

The IDF's ANSWER: "mapping error". With all their wonderful technology too.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063382 - 09/15/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One of your country men also said that Israel had to target it because it was being used as a shield.


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Then shot in his head
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Can't fuck with me again"

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6063388 - 09/15/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Tell that to the mans family.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064003 - 09/15/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
IDF answers to the world? Hahaha, yeah just like when they bombed that UN facility, you know, the one that called Tel Aviv 10 times telling them the bombs were getting too close. One of my countrymen died in that tragedy.

The IDF's ANSWER: "mapping error". With all their wonderful technology too.




Do you mean the UN watchdog facility that was less than a 100 yards away from a Hezbollah rocket launcher? Actively engaged in launching rockets? That one of your countrymen described thusly:
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"The Canadian soldier also said of Israeli counter fire to that date: "This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Those words are evidence that Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, according to retired Major-General Lewis MacKenzie.

He said the phrase "tactical necessity" is military talk that indicates Hezbollah was purposely putting itself near the UN facility.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the [IDF],' " he said."

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c6f7fc18-ccb6-46a0-a24a-9d55c546bcfe&k=12828




Hate Israel all you want, I don't care about you or your opinion. You're a 'Nuck and as such have absolutely no standing to speak on American law or American foreign policy. You can blather but that is all it amounts to, blah blah blah. But I will not tolerate outright lieing, and that is what you just did, son of Moore.

As to downforpot's willingness to defend Israel if they saw the head off a Muslim child, you have absolutely no knowledge that this is so. How about this? You are so anti-Israeli you would no doubt defend Iran's nuking of Israel, with large scale destruction in Gaza, the West Bank and parts of Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon as acceptable collateral damage as long as every Zionist is wiped out. They are based on equal parts fact. We'll know what downforpot's reaction will be to Israel sawing a Muslim child's head off when they actually do it. Which even you know isn't ever going to happen. Did you stop beating your wife yet?


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064066 - 09/15/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have a wife yet, I am only 20.

I don't want to see any nukes get dropped on this earth.

I can really tell I have struck a nerve with you, I am sorry, but I think it's better you know about this treasonous law.

As for the UN thing, they called the proper people 10 fucking times, they should have told them to get out of there. Oh wait, anything that moved on a road in that country at the time, was blasted with missiles.

The fact is, I don't really hate Israel, I just don't give a flying fuck about the place. You Americans seem to cream your pants for the fucking place, for reasons I will NEVER understand.

You know, I would probably be as upset as you if I lived in a country where it was illegal to support a boycott of a foreign nation.

I can paint "Boycott Israel" on my car and not be arrested, unlike you.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064078 - 09/15/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
I don't have a wife yet, I am only 20.

I don't want to see any nukes get dropped on this earth.

I can really tell I have struck a nerve with you, I am sorry, but I think it's better you know about this treasonous law.

As for the UN thing, they called the proper people 10 fucking times, they should have told them to get out of there. Oh wait, anything that moved on a road in that country at the time, was blasted with missiles.

The fact is, I don't really hate Israel, I just don't give a flying fuck about the place. You Americans seem to cream your pants for the fucking place, for reasons I will NEVER understand.

You know, I would probably be as upset as you if I lived in a country where it was illegal to support a boycott of a foreign nation.

I can paint "Boycott Israel" on my car and not be arrested, unlike you.




http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/24000/article/24042

We Americans tend to care for our allies in the world and see a threat and act on it. As for other countries.... well, some of them usually hope the threat passes and everything turns out okay. Then USA comes in and saves the day.

"Free speech fails again in Canada"


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Edited by downforpot (09/15/06 10:03 AM)

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6064088 - 09/15/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh I know all about that shit, and I am not pleased with it one bit.

However, there is a difference between not being able to say hateful things(which we should have the right to anyway) and not being able to say things in protest.

I would much rather have the right to say "boycott Israel" than "I hate gays". I shouldn't have to choose, but that's the world we live in I guess.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064241 - 09/15/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
I don't have a wife yet, I am only 20.




OK, I'll amend that. Have you started beating your wife yet? Obviously your answer will be no but it implies that you will when you get one.
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I don't want to see any nukes get dropped on this earth.




I have no doubt that you are telling the truth. I just didn't like what you said about downforpot's anticipated acceptance of Israeli atrocities which never occurred. They are equally absurd.
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I can really tell I have struck a nerve with you, I am sorry, but I think it's better you know about this treasonous law.




It isn't treasonous if it's law. I'm going to put out the notion that this law was enacted so that no company will be held hostage to another government's boycott demands. Any company can now say, "I'd love to support your boycott but it is against the law and couldn't even if I wanted to. Now, let's get back to those contracts." This is far more about protecting American business from extraneous demands than it is about Israel, in my opinion. At least, that is what the net result is. "I would but I can't" lets businesses off the hook.
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As for the UN thing, they called the proper people 10 fucking times, they should have told them to get out of there. Oh wait, anything that moved on a road in that country at the time, was blasted with missiles.



I don't care if they called them 10,000 times (and you supply zero links) if they are going to allow Hezbollah to use them as human shields then they need to just get the fuck out. Even your fellow 'nuck said so. They set up rocket launchers right next to the UN installation. This isn't about blasting anything that moves, that's another canard on your part. Really, man, you do have an argument aginst support for Israel, but you don't help yourself with deliberate misdirection and obfuscation.
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The fact is, I don't really hate Israel, I just don't give a flying fuck about the place. You Americans seem to cream your pants for the fucking place, for reasons I will NEVER understand.




If you don't care and you don't live here and your tax money doesn't pay for it why the fuck do you go on so about it? I have explained numerous times about why we support Israel, historically and immediately. Canada is a wonderful country that I have no interest in living in, am happy to have as a neighbor, but basically think is of minimal help in any way at all. Be the happy 'nuck. Just stay out of the adult end of the pool. It's really way over your head.
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You know, I would probably be as upset as you if I lived in a country where it was illegal to support a boycott of a foreign nation.

I can paint "Boycott Israel" on my car and not be arrested, unlike you.




I'm not upset about that at all, it is a protection for our companies. Welcome to globalisation, as I explained above. And I can paint that on my car too and not get arrested so now you are lieing again.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064281 - 09/15/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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alpharedecho said:
I don't have a wife yet, I am only 20.




OK, I'll amend that. Have you started beating your wife yet? Obviously your answer will be no but it implies that you will when you get one.
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No, it implies that I have no wife to beat, therefore your question is invalid. FYI I have never struck a woman, and never will.

I don't want to see any nukes get dropped on this earth.




I have no doubt that you are telling the truth. I just didn't like what you said about downforpot's anticipated acceptance of Israeli atrocities which never occurred. They are equally absurd.
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I don't believe the IDF would do such a thing either, just a hypothetical situation, which he would most likely find a way of defending.

I can really tell I have struck a nerve with you, I am sorry, but I think it's better you know about this treasonous law.




It isn't treasonous if it's law. I'm going to put out the notion that this law was enacted so that no company will be held hostage to another government's boycott demands. Any company can now say, "I'd love to support your boycott but it is against the law and couldn't even if I wanted to. Now, let's get back to those contracts." This is far more about protecting American business from extraneous demands than it is about Israel, in my opinion. At least, that is what the net result is. "I would but I can't" lets businesses off the hook.
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Good point, but why would a business have to give in to another governments boycotts demands anyway? That is also only one aspect of the law. A private citizen, like yourself, would be breaking the law if he wrote anything in support of an Israeli boycott. That is insane.

As for the UN thing, they called the proper people 10 fucking times, they should have told them to get out of there. Oh wait, anything that moved on a road in that country at the time, was blasted with missiles.



I don't care if they called them 10,000 times (and you supply zero links) if they are going to allow Hezbollah to use them as human shields then they need to just get the fuck out. Even your fellow 'nuck said so. They set up rocket launchers right next to the UN installation. This isn't about blasting anything that moves, that's another canard on your part. Really, man, you do have an argument aginst support for Israel, but you don't help yourself with deliberate misdirection and obfuscation.
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I will find a link, I don't accept any justification for this. They are not even calling it an accident anymore? That is some fucked up shit. Of course our officials will kiss Israels ass, we wouldn't want to piss off our neighbors to the south.

The fact is, I don't really hate Israel, I just don't give a flying fuck about the place. You Americans seem to cream your pants for the fucking place, for reasons I will NEVER understand.




If you don't care and you don't live here and your tax money doesn't pay for it why the fuck do you go on so about it? I have explained numerous times about why we support Israel, historically and immediately. Canada is a wonderful country that I have no interest in living in, am happy to have as a neighbor, but basically think is of minimal help in any way at all. Be the happy 'nuck. Just stay out of the adult end of the pool. It's really way over your head.
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I think you are just too set in your ways to ever change your mind or opinion of the world.

You know, I would probably be as upset as you if I lived in a country where it was illegal to support a boycott of a foreign nation.

I can paint "Boycott Israel" on my car and not be arrested, unlike you.




I'm not upset about that at all, it is a protection for our companies. Welcome to globalisation, as I explained above. And I can paint that on my car too and not get arrested so now you are lieing again.




Please tell me how it protects companies, if you are not allowed to paind "boycot Israel" on your own car.

PS Sorry for the bad quoting, my replies are bold obviously, I just don't have time to go through and fix it.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

Edited by alpharedecho (09/15/06 11:10 AM)

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064311 - 09/15/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5348364.stm

Found this from today, nothing about the calls, but now Israel is saying it was just an error. The constant change of story suggests they are lying. Who dare question them though, if you did, you would be an anti-Semite.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064436 - 09/15/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Canada is a true powerhouse, as the world cowers with its influence.


The United States is stupid for supporting a democracy were people can vote, and women are treated as humans.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6064442 - 09/15/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So you will give up your personal freedoms to support a foreign nation?

To each his own, I guess.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064444 - 09/15/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Boy oh boy, you really fucked up the quote boxes above. You are very much mistaken that anybody who paints that message on their car is subject to prosecution. It simply isn't so. They can say it all they want. They just can't do it.

I'll accept the word of the 'nuck on the ground about what happened there.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064478 - 09/15/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ohh, I must have misread something.

I am not saying Israel bombed them on purpose, I think it was just a lack of respect for the UN. Also, there will never be an investigation into it, unlike when an American plane bombed Canadians on the ground in Afghanistan. Countries take responsibilities for their actions, I have noticed Israel doesn't.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064577 - 09/15/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The UN should not have been there once hostilities reached that level. Their repeated useful idiocy in providing human shields for hezbollah is criminal. If anyone can be blamed for killing this guy it's Kofi Annan.
From the above mentioned link (This is the dead guy e-mailing):

"Based on the intensity and volatility of this current situation and the unpredictability of both sides (Hezbollah and Israel), and given the operational tempo of the Hezbollah and the IDF, we are not safe to venture out to conduct our normal patrol activities."


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064882 - 09/15/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Regardless, Israel should not have bombed a UN facility. You would think this would be a fairly simple concept.

YOU DON'T BOMB UN FACILITIES, NO MATTER WHAT!

I do agree, that they shouldn't have been there at that point, but it doesn't matter.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064942 - 09/15/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Shit happens in war. If you can't stand it get out. Not even you aver that it was a purposeful attack on a UN facility. They have an obligation not to allow themselves to be used as shields. That does matter. I think it's a big deal. How come they weren't in Tel Aviv? Nevermind, I know why. Because they didn't need to watch for Israeli atrocities and Hezbollah wouldn't give a fuck anyway. No PR value at all. Never mind. "You can turn the cameras off now. Did you get my good side? It's the left. Super."


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6064950 - 09/15/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So they should have let Hezbollah fire as many missiles as they wanted right next to the UN post?


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6064970 - 09/15/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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It's so that foreign entities have no hand in our national and foreign policies.



But what about business, or the rights of property?

Why should the US government have the right to prosecute me for spending my money the way I want to spend it?

I really don't know how you guys got side-tracked about Israel, for me the real issue here is about the right to contract with whomever I want whenever I want. I really don't think it's right for the Federal Government to say "We don't want you spending your money like that, we think it favors another nation's foreign policy..."

The point is, it's my money, and I'll spend it how I like.

Something else that's not usually considered is the dead-weight loss associated with this type of thing.

Do you know how anti-boycott regulations are usually policed? By forcing companies to create and produce extensive records of their purchasing, complete with knowledge of alternatives, investigations into cost differentials etc.

Then, the government will simply demand (under penalty of law, of course) that the company create LOADS of duplicate record copies and send them over to the government, usually eith employee testimony (complete with associated lost time), etc.

None of this is cheap. I can't even imagine how much money is wasted by companies who are forced to keep and maintain records documenting each and every purchase decisions along with back-up proof as to why the decision was made. And of course, those costs are passed right along to the consumer in the form of higher prices for imports, higher prices in general, etc.

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064975 - 09/15/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Comparing the carnage in Lebanon to Israel makes me LOL.

I feel for those Israelis that had to spend all that time in the bomb shelters, I really do.  :rolleyes:

I bet the Lebanease were wishing they had bomb shelters when their houses burried them alive.

I hate Islam as much as the next guy, but a human life, is a human life.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065010 - 09/15/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you feel a need to identify with the losers of a war which the losers started? Every single Israeli who suffered in that war was innocent. Only some of the Lebanese were, and all of them were under age. Now I know why you hate Israel. It's because they are not troglodyte losers begging for sympathy which only your benevolent hand can dispense. A tad too self-sufficient for you (oh this is gonna be fun).


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6065055 - 09/15/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I hate Islam as much as the next guy, but a human life, is a human life.

Your disregard for humans just because they are Muslim makes me sick.

I feel bad for the Israeli civilians who lost their lives, and believe the people who fired those rockets should be brought to justice. Not the entire country.

What I hate about Israel was their mass bombardment of a country, with complete disregard for human life.

It is the same thing I hate about Hezbollah, but I thought Israel was supposed to be better than that.

Let's say there was a military faction in Canada launching rockets over the border. Would your country respond by bombing our entire nation to smithereens? No, because you are better than that.

I know it's not a great comparison, but just thought I'd use it since we are from those countries, and the military capabilities of each is kinda like Hezbollah vs Israel, lol.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065101 - 09/15/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I hate Islam as much as the next guy, but a human life, is a human life.

Your disregard for humans just because they are Muslim makes me sick.

I feel bad for the Israeli civilians who lost their lives, and believe the people who fired those rockets should be brought to justice. Not the entire country.

What I hate about Israel was their mass bombardment of a country, with complete disregard for human life.

It is the same thing I hate about Hezbollah, but I thought Israel was supposed to be better than that.

Let's say there was a military faction in Canada launching rockets over the border. Would your country respond by bombing our entire nation to smithereens? No, because you are better than that.

I know it's not a great comparison, but just thought I'd use it since we are from those countries, and the military capabilities of each is kinda like Hezbollah vs Israel, lol.




Actually there wasn't a mass bombardment of Lebanon by Israel. The death toll should have been 1000 dead lebanese a day if Israel actually sent all their air power to bomb that country into oblivion.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6065129 - 09/15/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Touche!

I guess Israel did show restraint, I think they should have shown a little more. Come out on the moral high ground to get the world on their side. They are alienating themselves from much of the world, and it could cause trouble for them in the future.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065136 - 09/15/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cause more trouble for them in the future? Some1 already tried to exterminate them (us).... I don't think anything else can be as problematic. The worse thing that could happen is the Muslims conquer the region again and make the Jews second class citizens, again, then kill a few hundred thousand, again.

Also, who are they alienating? The same pussy ass countries that don't do shit when their freedoms are threatened? *COUGH* FRANCE *COUGH* Or is it the Muslim countries which made Jews second class citizens?


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6065168 - 09/15/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Every country besides the good old US of A.

You know, it is interesting you brought up France. Look at what the wonders of multiculturalism are doing to that country. They are headed down a very shaky road, and everyone knows why, they are just not allowed to say it.

That pertains to what we are talking about in the other thread, so other people, you won't really understand that statement.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065177 - 09/15/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually the only reason the Muslims started rioting is because of socialism..... FOX NEWS was blarring about it non stop and they even had a French born dude became a US citizen critisize the French economic policies which lead to all the riots. That is what happens when you try to control the economy. They were fucking asking for it.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6065206 - 09/15/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True, but it was mainly Muslims rioting. Had there been no Muslims in France, french cities would not have burned.

Can you imagine a group of foreigners trying to riot in a Muslim country? LOL, they would be FUCKED!


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065222 - 09/15/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
I hate Islam as much as the next guy, but a human life, is a human life.

Your disregard for humans just because they are Muslim makes me sick.




This is inaccurate. If Muslims weren't supporting the attacks on other people I would give not one tiny miniscule iota of a fuck about what they believe or do. A fact is that Lebanon allowed the southern part of their country to be taken over by lunatics, without a struggle or a heads up to anybody. Israel cannot be expected to accept that condition. That's it. And your fatuous moral relativism is utterly bogus. A life is a life is a life is just stupid. John Wayne Gacy's life (just as an example) does not rise to the value of the life of my wifes cat, and I hate that cat.
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I feel bad for the Israeli civilians who lost their lives, and believe the people who fired those rockets should be brought to justice. Not the entire country.




Oh, OK grasshopper. When you get Ahmadinajad in court let me know. Regardless, they let their country be taken over, and did nothing and said nothing. There were people who would have helped, but they were either too cowardly or too accepting. They had an obligation to control their territory. When you govern you have a responsibilty for what happens. That means you get fucked when you lose. Israel is not in a battle of convenience. They are constantly beset by murderous lunatics on almost all sides. Egypt and Jordan don't get bombed by Israel. That's because they neither attack Israel nor allow others to attack from their territory. The behaviour you would demand of Israel is suicidal.
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What I hate about Israel was their mass bombardment of a country, with complete disregard for human life.




This is just a lie. Collateral casualties were quite low, despite the lies of the AP and alReuters
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It is the same thing I hate about Hezbollah, but I thought Israel was supposed to be better than that.




Here's the dichotomy you seem to be struggling so mightily with
Hezbollah=agressor
Israel=defender

Get it yet. Or should they just be thrown down a well?
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Let's say there was a military faction in Canada launching rockets over the border. Would your country respond by bombing our entire nation to smithereens? No, because you are better than that.




You would be given the opportunity to stop the attacks yourself. If you failed to do that you would become a probationary state with many bomb craters to fill. And that is exactly how good we are. Exactly. (It is also an indication of how good you are that this would never happen. Yet another spurious piece of hypothetical straw men you seem to love so much)
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I know it's not a great comparison, but just thought I'd use it since we are from those countries, and the military capabilities of each is kinda like Hezbollah vs Israel, lol.




Here's the fucking deal. Hez had no reason or right to attack Israel. They don't even represent Palestinians. Lebanon needed to curtail or at least warn that there were international criminals controlling part of their country (UNIFIL.....LOL, is there on the planet a more worthless group of child molesters?). Their acquiescence was tantamount to approval. Maybe they'll figure it out next time and throw the fuckers out.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/008060.php#comments
I know it's an opinion blog by just another opinion blogger but it makes a good bit of sense to me and I'd rather be optimistic than pessimistic if it doesn't require me to put my head in the sand. I think he may be right. Do yourself a favor and read it. You'll at least understand my position better.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6065402 - 09/15/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Israel can do absolutley no wrong to people like you. They are the chosen ones!


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065423 - 09/15/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They won't do wrong to us because we accept them as a nation and don't want to conquer them and place into second class status. That is why Egypt and a few other countries have peaceful relations with Israel.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: downforpot]
    #6065474 - 09/15/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Egypt has a peaceful relationship with them because if they don't, the USA will cut off the aid they give them.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065492 - 09/15/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We were giving Palestine aid even though Hamas was bombing Israelis. Right?

Also, why should Egypt have hostile relations with Israel? They seem to be pretty peaceful and a lot of Israelis take vacations in Egypt.


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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065526 - 09/15/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Egypt has a peaceful relationship with them because if they don't, the USA will cut off the aid they give them.




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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Supporting an Israeli boycott is illegal in your country of Freedom. [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065603 - 09/15/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is a very unfortunate legislation, and it should never be used outside of being applied to the direct enemy of the nation during time of total war.


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