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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6060379 - 09/14/06 01:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060563 - 09/14/06 02:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's interesting to read what Nietzsche thought of Buddhism...

"Buddhism is a hundred times more realistic than Christianity - it has the heritage of a cool and objective posing of problems in its composition, it arrives after a philosophical movement lasting hundreds of years; the concept 'God' is already abolished by the time it arrives. Buddhism is the only really positivistic religion history has to show us, even in its epistemology (a strict phenomenalism-), it no longer speaks of 'the struggle against sin' but, quite in accordance with actuality, 'the struggle against suffering'. It already has - and this distinguishes it profoundly from Christianity - the self-deception of moral concepts behind it - it stands, in my language, beyond good and evil..."

"The Supreme goal is cheerfulness, stillness, absence of desire, and this goal is achieved. Buddhism is not a religion in which one merely aspires after perfection: perfection is the normal case."

-- Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060646 - 09/14/06 02:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Follow-up question for those who disagree: Do you agree with the original quote?

"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."




I think this should be put into context. Nietzsche thought Jesus was a revolt against the Jewish church, priests, "higher men", caste, theologians, hierarchy, etc. His view of Jesus seems similar to the Gnostic's view, although he views Jesus in a less favorable light.

"Sin, every kind of distancing relationship between God and man, is abolished - presicely this is the 'glad tiding'. Blessedness is not promised, it is not tied to any conditions: it is the only reality - the rest is signs for speaking of it... It is not a 'belief' which distinguishes the Christian: the Christian acts, he is distinguished by a different mode of acting... he knows that it is through the practice of one's life that one feels 'divine', 'blessed', 'evangelic', at all times a 'child of God.' It is not penance, not prayer for forgiveness, which leads to God... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart - not something that comes 'upon the earth' or after death'."

He thinks the true message of Jesus, a message expressed by his actions rather than his words or death, was distorted by his Apostles in order to create a Church. Jesus was turned into the very thing he was against: a priest, a theologian, a 'saviors', a 'higher man', etc. That is why he says: "in reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the Cross... What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived."


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6060662 - 09/14/06 02:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.




Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6060667 - 09/14/06 02:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nice posts Mushman. You rock. :thumbup:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060677 - 09/14/06 02:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A "Buddhist" is one who is following the path taught by the Buddha. So no, i disagree on grounds that it is a totally illogical statement. :smirk:

There seems to be have been a sudden burst of interest in Buddhism on this forum lately. Hmm, the blessings of Lama Gendun perhaps?  :grin:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Sinbad]
    #6060686 - 09/14/06 02:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps.  :crazy2: :grin:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
    #6060949 - 09/14/06 03:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.




Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.



often I think that I made them up,
and that I contain them in their totality
and that I really understand them
and appreciate their unique separate expressions
which are expressions of me,
then I see that I am an expression of each of them.

the connection layers seem endless as well.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6061022 - 09/14/06 04:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, in the end, yes.


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