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 Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote  [Re: Fractalated]
#6060379 - 09/14/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
#6060563 - 09/14/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's interesting to read what Nietzsche thought of Buddhism...
"Buddhism is a hundred times more realistic than Christianity - it has the heritage of a cool and objective posing of problems in its composition, it arrives after a philosophical movement lasting hundreds of years; the concept 'God' is already abolished by the time it arrives. Buddhism is the only really positivistic religion history has to show us, even in its epistemology (a strict phenomenalism-), it no longer speaks of 'the struggle against sin' but, quite in accordance with actuality, 'the struggle against suffering'. It already has - and this distinguishes it profoundly from Christianity - the self-deception of moral concepts behind it - it stands, in my language, beyond good and evil..."
"The Supreme goal is cheerfulness, stillness, absence of desire, and this goal is achieved. Buddhism is not a religion in which one merely aspires after perfection: perfection is the normal case."
-- Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
#6060646 - 09/14/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Follow-up question for those who disagree: Do you agree with the original quote?
"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."
I think this should be put into context. Nietzsche thought Jesus was a revolt against the Jewish church, priests, "higher men", caste, theologians, hierarchy, etc. His view of Jesus seems similar to the Gnostic's view, although he views Jesus in a less favorable light.
"Sin, every kind of distancing relationship between God and man, is abolished - presicely this is the 'glad tiding'. Blessedness is not promised, it is not tied to any conditions: it is the only reality - the rest is signs for speaking of it... It is not a 'belief' which distinguishes the Christian: the Christian acts, he is distinguished by a different mode of acting... he knows that it is through the practice of one's life that one feels 'divine', 'blessed', 'evangelic', at all times a 'child of God.' It is not penance, not prayer for forgiveness, which leads to God... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart - not something that comes 'upon the earth' or after death'."
He thinks the true message of Jesus, a message expressed by his actions rather than his words or death, was distorted by his Apostles in order to create a Church. Jesus was turned into the very thing he was against: a priest, a theologian, a 'saviors', a 'higher man', etc. That is why he says: "in reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the Cross... What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived."
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
#6060662 - 09/14/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.
Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Nice posts Mushman. You rock. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
#6060677 - 09/14/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A "Buddhist" is one who is following the path taught by the Buddha. So no, i disagree on grounds that it is a totally illogical statement. 
There seems to be have been a sudden burst of interest in Buddhism on this forum lately. Hmm, the blessings of Lama Gendun perhaps? 
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Sinbad]
#6060686 - 09/14/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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redgreenvines
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
#6060949 - 09/14/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.
Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.
often I think that I made them up,
and that I contain them in their totality
and that I really understand them
and appreciate their unique separate expressions
which are expressions of me,
then I see that I am an expression of each of them.
the connection layers seem endless as well.
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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
#6061022 - 09/14/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, in the end, yes.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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