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OfflineCptnGarden
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: chaos05]
    #6064517 - 09/15/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hes already in good hands if hes made it to the widest collective vibe source on the net, and we all know here that learning by experience is the best way to go about it.

however i guess you feel its your duty to train the troops, your gonna have just as much luck converting him to our side as the government would converting one of us to them. beliefs are a persons own, and they come from personal experience.

if he chooses to believe the media hype, let him. its the whole planting the seed that makes any difference at all, and your way overwatering it, giving him a reason not to give in to your words, since your attacking him with them.

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6064829 - 09/15/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:
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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
while i dont agree with him, theres nothing you can do to change his mind. you planted your seed, you set rain, now all you can do is hope it sprouts and he grows to be a more mature being.

dont start a poll, are you enjoying this arguement? while I stand for the same thing you stand for, these people dont deserve your energy. If he has posted here, hes here because of mushrooms. Leave it to the mushrooms to help him realize things, concentrate on something more important.




While I understand your opinions don't agree with him, I think you need to take a good look at who your ACTIONS agree with.

Every day we allow this sort of arrogance and hate to flourish, is a day closer to the death of us all.

While I do not enjoy this argument in the slightest, I have to take social responsibility to prevent this sort of person from continuing to develop along this path to destruction.




I am already developed, I, am a Jedi Master! :yoda:


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Offlinezeegos
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #6064848 - 09/15/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

they should have been wiped out with a 500lb bomb

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: CptnGarden]
    #6064855 - 09/15/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Go away hippie? Crackpot theories? I don't think so. For your info, I'm far far far far far from being a "hippie" whatever that even means since its a stereotype anyways. And in no way is it a "theory" ANYONE that doesn't want to interpret this war on terror and/or the reasons behind it from a Fox News telecast, or a few lousy written uninformed paragraphs from your local newspaper. The facts are the facts, and the facts are that Al-Qaida doesn't exist, and the media and G.W. use the term JUST LIKE you use "hippie" to describe me, loosly and to no value. The Afghan Mujahideen were trained by the CIA and ARMED by the CIA to fight the Russian's in Afghanistan. If you can't believe that part of it, you need to go back to 8th grade history class, or maybe even freshmen year of high school's WORLD HISTORY. I'm sure the teachers there will have no problem telling you exactly who, where and how an Arab army was formed, funded and trained. To make a long story short, Saudi princes rejected the Mujahideen after the conflict with Russia, these soldiers had no homeland, no where to go, no jobs, ect ect and of course we knew this and decided to blame them for 9/11 and call them Al-Qaida. All you need is a little history lesson straight from the books at ANY school and you'll see everything in there as the truth. I'm no hippie, and I make no crackpot theories, only what I can conclude from 1,000,000's of puzzle peices of information I have researched and collected throughout the years and anyone that knows anything about history cannot deny the fact that the CIA trained and funded the so called Al-Qaida we see today, and who this Al-Qaida really is which is an Arab army that we made to fight off the Russian's in Afghanistan, and after the conflict they had nothing to do but live and breath as an army like they were trained to do. Unfortunetly the world turned on them, blamed them terror attacks they had NOTHING to do with, and started killing them and stealing their resources. It was an excuse to start the war on terror and was planned many many many many years before 9/11.

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #6064859 - 09/15/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Ya'll are just retarded hippies. I never said killing is good, all I said was that it was a really good opportunity to strike a terroristic threat that we are at war with.

Stop acting like pussies and just realize that my country is at war with another country that took the lives of thousands of people in a few hours because they hate AMerica is free. Stop crying!




You have to realize that this board is full of pussies. Some people just turn into vaginas when they take drugs, it's natural.


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: downforpot]
    #6064889 - 09/15/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
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TrancedShroom said:
Ya'll are just retarded hippies. I never said killing is good, all I said was that it was a really good opportunity to strike a terroristic threat that we are at war with.

Stop acting like pussies and just realize that my country is at war with another country that took the lives of thousands of people in a few hours because they hate AMerica is free. Stop crying!




You have to realize that this board is full of pussies. Some people just turn into vaginas when they take drugs, it's natural.




That's if you believe Muslims were behind 9/11, but that is for another thread.

It's people like you two that have made this world into what it is, I hope you like nuclear war, tough guys.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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OfflineEconomist
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6064917 - 09/15/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:
The hand is American capitalist totalitarianism.

Groups like Al Quiada, and acts like terrorism/suicide bombings are lessons from the universe, teaching us only the consequences of our own actions or inactions.

It does not matter how right America believes it is, or how many 'terrorists' (or 'witches') they murder... once they all lay dead the lessons will keep coming... school shootings... rape and torture in our own prisons...

The only thing that can possibly quench our hatred is our total annihilation.

That, or tolerance, humility, and understanding.




Whoa, whoa, whoa...

I couldn't agree with this sentiment any less. (That does NOT mean I'm down with blowing up people at a funeral) I don't think that tolerance, humility, or understanding (at least on our part) is the key, nor do I think that American "capitalist totalitarianism" has anything to do with it.

The problem really is with the governments of South-West Asia.

Look at it this way - countries like China, India, the Philippines, why don't they produce terrorists as readily as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or pre-invasion Afghanistan?

Because all of those countries recognized at some point in their past that the only way to truly better their own people was by transitioning towards a more open, business/trade friendly society.

Look at China. Deng Xiao-Ping began implementing reforms as early as the 1970s towards capitalism. Today you can own not only private property, but private businesses, and corporations are allowed in what used to be one of the most socialistic nations in the world. What was the result? An economy that outgrows anyone else, an explosion in employment, and soaring standards of living. Even in rural areas of China, where living conditions are bad compared with the urban areas, they are still well above and beyond where they were 10 years ago.

No one is going to be a terrorist if they have a good job, food, and friends.

But then you have this other group of nations, run by groups like the Taleban, who claim (despite empirical evidence to the contrary) that the only way to success is a return to religious conservatism and Sharia Law.

So what happens there? Employment plummets, people starve, and anger festers. Soon enough it becomes very easy to blame others for the problems created by yourself. The Americans only have enough jobs because they are the devil. If only the Israelis hadn't taken our traditional land we'd have all we needed. Never mind the ridiculous trade barriers, import quotas, tariffs, execessive taxes, limits on research, etc. that Islamic-based governments impose on themselves.

So tell me, in this tale-of-two-approaches, how will tolerance, humility, or understanding on the part of America help the situation at all?

We tolerated the Islamic governments cracking down on their own people for decades, ruining domestic economies and ending employment. We were humble for years, especially during the Presidencies of Carter and Clinton, and yet during both those periods enemies of America grew, organized, and planned attacks against us.

Finally, we fully understand why they hate us. They're poor, they have poor job prospects, and few ways to achieve a better life. We also understand why, and we're not the only ones, as stated above other nations have learned that closed societies and government crack downs eliminate jobs and lead to a bleak future.

America can sit back and continue to be tolerant, humble, and understanding. However, until such time as Islamist governments recognize the need for free and open societies, America will continue to be attacked.

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Economist]
    #6064968 - 09/15/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Who are these people and where the fuck did this thread come from?


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6064978 - 09/15/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

5'll get ya 10 that none of the original loons will follow this thread and it will degenerate into a downforpot vs alpharedecho bitch fight. You guys should get a room.

And, word to redecho, it was Muslims. Or were you being facetious? It's hard to tell sometimes when you girls get going.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Economist]
    #6065002 - 09/15/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Economist said:

No one is going to be a terrorist if they have a good job, food, and friends.





I find this statement to be quite wrong, we have seen countless examples of the opposite. That said, I agree that on the whole, a thriving society is a lot less likely to create terrorists.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065081 - 09/15/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is no shortage of deranged navel gazing whiners who identify with "oppressed" chumps. There seems to be a particularly fertile pool of such neurotics in the 16 to 22 age group who are susceptible to the rantings of various svengali like figures like OBL, Charles Manson, Michael Moore, Alex Jones, Dan Rather, et al. (alright alright, Dan Rather was gratuitous. He's still a fathead.)


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6065093 - 09/15/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was simply stating fact, not identifying with anything. You put a spin on everything, don't you.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065241 - 09/15/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That was not specifically directed at anyone, just a general statement of fact, which was actually in agreement with you.

And my first question remains unanswered. Who the fuck are these people and where did this thread come from?


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Al Quiada [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6065376 - 09/15/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't insult my intellegence, we both know you were referring to me.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #6065379 - 09/15/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Al-Qaida, Al-Qaeda, Al-Quiada whichever way you want to spell it, DOESNT EXIST. It never existed, ever. And it will never exist, its completely fictional and was created by our government and media as a blanket name for Bin Laden's Mujahideen that was trained by the CIA to fight off the Russian's in Afghanistan.




This is quite correct. Many do not know that Al-qaida that you know of now is a name given to them by the US govt. We needed to attach a name to them so we could go after them with anti-mafia laws in the early 90s. We used the name of one of the bases in afganistan as a label for anyone committing terrorism that didn't fall under another already established group.

What they consider themselves may be a totally different name. We just call them what we want because frankly america needs a finger to point at for it's problems and it's easier to give the ignorant masses of america a single name to curse.

As for bombing a funeral I am glad that it did not happen but I am highly skeptical as to the reality of this claim. It seems like a PR story for the military more than anything. "Look everyone! We seen a bunch of bad guys at a funeral and we didn't kill them out of respect, see we are the good guys!" I don't buy it, this story just screams public relations.


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #6065411 - 09/15/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Rosetta, actually Israeli pilots also missed targets on purpose too after they were ordered to bomb a house in a populated area . So instead of dropping the bombs on the target they dropped them in a deserted area.

There is an article posted on here or bluelight about that happening during the war. It was also posted by some1 that opposed Israelis tactics.


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Economist]
    #6065430 - 09/15/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

whoa whoah woah...........

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Economist said:
No one is going to be a terrorist if they have a good job, food, and friends.





Bin Laden's family is very wealthy, he was eating quite well, had friends spanning the globe when he turned to terrorizing others. :wink:

You may want to rethink your current paradigm on how this works. :smile:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6065459 - 09/15/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't really need to "re-think" anything.

Bin Laden is convinced he is fighting on behalf of the downtrodden. He's just too stupid to realize what the real cause of their suffering is. If the Islamic world was as wealthy as the western world, Bin Laden probably would have never done anything more than real estate financing.

The root of the problem is the same: Islamic governments cause suffering midst their own people.

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Re: Al Quiada [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6065480 - 09/15/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe bin laden's viewpoint is largely due to his sympathy for the majority of the arab population which is desperately poor while having US supported govts who are wealthy beyond imagining.

So in a sense, if the majority of arabs had a good job, food and other necessities in adequate numbers bin laden's life and viewpoint would be very different.


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Re: Al Quiada [Re: Economist]
    #6065522 - 09/15/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Economist said:
Bin Laden is convinced he is fighting on behalf of the downtrodden





:what:  By bombing wealthy Americans? So what, his plan is that america will respond to the attack by working to reform their nations policies to open free trade so everyone is employed, with good pay and can make friends? :smile:

:what:

He wants Israel to give the holy land back to Palestine and for the U.S. to stop protecting and defending Israel and for the U.S.  to get out of trying to make reform policies in their Nations.

If he truly gave a shit about the down trodden in his region who are not eating, working and are without friends, he would use his families wealth to create more jobs, free food shelters and social clubs as well as use his families influence with his regions leaders to make their Nations be more like the U.S. and China that has open trade, which according to what I have been reading from your view, somehow magically solves all human tendencies towards greed, hate and desires for power over others.

Please tell us how he thought spending years of his time and money planning to blow up american buildings with american planes was going to help the down trodden in his region.

:peace: :heart:


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