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emeryg89
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Amanita Find: Help With ID
#6057353 - 09/13/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey all. I would first off like to let you all know I have experience with the Amanita muscaria var. formosa: it's growth habits, habitat, and appearance. It grows in abundance during the fall here in ME. The amanitas I collected today were found under a pine tree in a cluster, growing through mulch. They do not resemble the typical formosa found here, suggesting the spores were probably transferred in the mulch (my only guess). Here are the specifics:
Cap: the largest was probably 6 inches across. All caps were flat or slightly rounding upward. Brownish/tan spot in the center fading to a tanish, ever-so-slight yellow near the outside. This faint yellow is not even close to the faint yellow formosas I find here.
Gills: White, semi-crowded
Stalk: tanish-brown, lines running down the length, and some viel fragments toward the base. Typical amanita bulbs at the very base/
Habitat: under pine tree in mulch, ME, US
This is about all I can offer for information. I might state that formosas don't usually start sprouting up in clusters for at least another couple weeks from now. They only grow singly (and small) from midsummer until fall, when they produce in abundance and in clusters. I know the usual amanita hotspots around here, and none of them have been showing clusters, but these one's were in a cluster. I am of belief these are not formosa, simply because I am quite familiar with that strain. I expect they might be pantherina, or a variation of such. I am only concerned with them being deadly poisonous, which I doubt them to be, as the photos of deadly amanitas I've seen don't resemble these at all. If anyone has any help, it's much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Peace. Almost forgot... here's the photo.
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Re: Amanita Find: Help With ID [Re: emeryg89]
#6057370 - 09/13/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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looks like pantherina.
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ToxicMan
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Re: Amanita Find: Help With ID [Re: emeryg89]
#6058039 - 09/13/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those would be tough under any circumstances. There are a bunch of brown capped Amanita species, and lots of them have not been described yet.
Making things tougher, you broke the bases off the stems. For Amanita the base of the stem is one of the very most important features. On one of them you got most of the base, and the volva appears to be a few rings of tissue.
In a general sense they resemble A. crenulata, but that should not be considered an ID.
Happy mushrooming!
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emeryg89
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Re: Amanita Find: Help With ID [Re: ToxicMan]
#6058199 - 09/13/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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In respect to the common muscaria, how would either the pantherina or crenulata compare? I assume these are not deadly poisonous as I've seen no indication to assume so. Does anyone know the chemical makeup of these other species? Thanks for the help though :-) And I did go out today and find a couple decent patches of beautiful red/orange formosas... I expect they're more potent than the pale one's found a little later in the season... just a guess though, as I know the one's late in the season are quite impotent.
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ToxicMan
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Re: Amanita Find: Help With ID [Re: emeryg89]
#6058643 - 09/13/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Both A. pantherina and A. crenulata have some of the same toxins as A. muscaria, but both contain additional toxins that make it much more likely that people who eat them will become very ill.
Note that the majority of the brown capped Amanita species have not been researched enough to even start trying to find out what toxins they have in them.
Amanita is very probably the worst genus of mushrooms to experiment in. The vast majority of mushroom poisoning fatalities are due to Amanitas.
Your mushrooms are interesting and photogenic specimens. Under no circumstances should they be eaten.
Happy mushrooming!
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emeryg89
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Re: Amanita Find: Help With ID [Re: ToxicMan]
#6060238 - 09/14/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, that's enough to keep me wary. I'll stick to my formosas that I am already sure of and comfortable with. Thanks for the help. Peace all.
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