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Invisiblemr crisper
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demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up
    #605809 - 04/11/02 09:24 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

even bigger than the swami challenge
this guy offers $1000000 for anyone who can prove their psychic ability
http://www.randi.org/research/

you get to choose the test.
oh yeh - "Please be advised that several claimants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing these tests. I strongly advise you to conduct proper double-blind tests of any ability you believe you can demonstrate, before attempting to undergo a testing for this prize. This has saved me and many claimants much time and work, by showing that the powers were quite imaginary on the part of the would-be claimant. Please do this, and do not choose to ignore the need for such a precaution"


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #605824 - 04/11/02 09:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Most believers would rather whine about the "unfairness" of designing your own test because the "negative energy" of the testers guarantees failure. You will get lots of fluff in response, but no substance.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #606807 - 04/12/02 09:09 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Gotta love Randi!


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed [Re: mr crisper]
    #607556 - 04/13/02 08:13 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

When I was younger, I used to be really into magic. My mom used to take me to magic conventions in Montreal. They would showcase different magicians and have lectures and shows. One year Randi was there and I went to his lecture. He said that he would explain any trick or escape he's ever done. He explained a bunch of tricks and also told stories about various escapes he's done. Afterward me and my mom talked to him. My mom hates him because she's all spiritual and Randi doesn't believe any of that stuff. She just doesn't like his attitude towards things. Just thought I'd share.


Mr Crisper, what were you thinking of trying?


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed [Re: Buddha]
    #607789 - 04/14/02 03:06 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

My mom hates him because she's all spiritual
Funny how much hate spiritual people can muster.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed [Re: Swami]
    #610026 - 04/16/02 12:46 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

She doesnt realy hate him, I dont think my mom hates anyone. She's Buddhist and she is very kind, one of the best people I know. She just thinks that he's too critical and that his need to expose people is testostorone driven.


Edited by Buddha (04/14/02 06:46 PM)


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed [Re: Swami]
    #610599 - 04/15/02 01:43 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

You enjoy picking one line, and abuse it. To get a respons, don't you... :wink: 


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #610604 - 04/15/02 01:47 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding is that spiritual powers are not to be used for show but to help others. Using them to get money would then be highly antithetical to spirituality.

Using them to prove they exist would then build up the ego of the "user" when the aim of spirituality is to reduce the ego. In the Christian tradition for example, Jesus was tempted by Satan to use his powers to fly, materialize food, etc. and he was rebuked.

If these powers exist, it seems to me that attempting to harness them or control them has it quite backwards. People are instruments. Are spiritual powers something to be controlled or used? Aren't spirituality and materialism diametrically opposed? Isn't this like asking someone to burn water?


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Jellric]
    #610638 - 04/17/02 07:35 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding is that spiritual powers are not to be used for show but to help others. Using them to get money would then be highly antithetical to spirituality.
And your "understanding" comes from where? I guess according to you that musicians, artists and anyone else who has a gift from God, should starve rather than charge for the viewing of their talents. Or they should work at some job they hate so that you can get something for nothing. How spiritual is that?

Using them to prove they exist would then build up the ego of the "user" when the aim of spirituality is to reduce the ego.
The gifts that we have been given are meant to be expressed not suppressed.

Are spiritual powers something to be controlled or used?
There is nothing anywhere pointing to telepathy (if it exists) being any more spiritual than eyesight, which is obviously meant to be used.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Jellric]
    #610640 - 04/17/02 07:38 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I Don't believe in "magical powers", but in forces that each one of us are able to develop.

It's stupid that someone that has "remembered" who he/she is would take that challenge. It's so trivial... And no, it's not an excuse. Need proof? Have you ever heard the term "collective consciousness"? It's like approaching an artist and saying: "do your thing", "I need to see that you did all those paintings". Some things can't be forced and this is not a circus or a freak show.

I believe in me, in my experience, and I don't need to post lies in the shroomery. I'm learning to use my energy, and you can do it too.

Swami, have you ever practiced yoga or meditation?
What do you think about it?
Have you experienced REAL LOVE? There's nothing more psychic than that.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed [Re: Fliquid]
    #610641 - 04/17/02 07:42 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

You enjoy picking one line, and abuse it. To get a respons, don't you...
I try not to take a line out of context; which in this case I clearly did not. My enjoyment or lack thereof, has nothing to do with the veracity of my statement.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #610643 - 04/17/02 07:45 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Swami, there's a thin line between, skepticism and stubbornness


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Teonanacatl fan]
    #610647 - 04/17/02 07:57 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I understand... Get a life, you can't find spirituality in front of a computer screen, not even in this forum. Theory is bullshit without experience. I believe that you are not here to bitch or to dismiss every post you can, but to find answers. Go outside, look around, experience and believe just in yourself.
Eventually, you'll understand.

I have to go
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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Teonanacatl fan]
    #610653 - 04/17/02 08:06 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I understand... Get a life, you can't find spirituality in front of a computer screen
Your presence here is valid, but mine is not...?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Teonanacatl fan]
    #610655 - 04/17/02 08:10 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Swami, there's a thin line between, skepticism and stubbornness
I have erased that line and have merged them into the art form called stubborn skepticism.


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InvisibleJellric
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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #610707 - 04/17/02 09:44 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Swami:
"I guess according to you that musicians, artists and anyone else who has a gift from God, should starve rather than charge for the viewing of their talents."
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Of course not.
That would be silly.

It seems clear to me that the original post I responded to regarding the challenge was referring to supernatural powers..healing, remote-viewing - things of that nature rather than readily demonstrable gifts such as singing. Brittany Spears not withstanding.






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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Jellric]
    #610734 - 04/17/02 10:19 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Of course not. That would be silly.
Agreed. So where do you get this notion that some talents can be exchanged for goods and some can't? Even in primitive societies, the local witch doctor is usally offered a goat or chicken for his services.

I responded to regarding the challenge was referring to supernatural powers..healing, remote-viewing...
Supernatural equals either non-existent or not understood. If we don't know the mechanism behind such powers then we call them supernatural.

From the perspective of some primitive peoples, a modern doctor's medicines would seem quite supernatural. Should doctors not be allowed to charge for their services to repay them for there many years of study and schooling?

In American Indian traditions, shamans may study for decades under strict tutelage and discipline before being allowed to practice. Why should there be no balance? They give and everyone takes. Energy must flow both ways. Money is just one form of energy.

Healing is healing; whether with a word, a touch or an operation.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #615218 - 04/22/02 02:01 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

You are such a funny person!


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #615322 - 04/22/02 06:53 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

1968, in cairo, there appeared a woman on top of the cross on the roof of a coptic church in the suburb of zeitoun.
a crowd gathered and the woman began to emit a brilliant white light, so bright it lit up the night sky.
she re-appeared the next night and then almost every night for 3 years, sometimes just a few minutes. on june 8 1968, she appeared at 9pm and disappeared at 4:30am.
literally 1000's of people came to see her, every night.
eventually the local council cleared the land around the church, put up a fence and started charging admission. within a week the apparitions ceased, never to return.
woops! maybe she was pissed they didn't give her a cut

do a search for zeitoun if you want mo info


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #615369 - 04/22/02 08:25 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Thousands came every night for three years and the best that we get is some fuzzy picture?

What does this have to do with the Randi Challenge?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Fliquid]
    #615372 - 04/22/02 08:27 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

You are such a funny person!

My humor is a direct gift from God. I can take no credit for my incredibly witty nature.



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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #615407 - 04/22/02 09:10 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

more, i just like the point that as soon as the govt started charging for it, it stopped.
it was my attempted reponse to your sidetrack as to whether psychic ability should be marketable.
there are websites with dozens of photos, newspaper clippings and tv footage, i just chose a picture i liked.
as i wrote, search - zeitoun, the name of the suburb in cairo.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #615432 - 04/22/02 09:37 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

it was my attempted reponse to your sidetrack as to whether psychic ability should be marketable.
It was not my side-track, but Jellric's. Am I allowed to respond to side-tracked posts like you are doing?

...as soon as the govt started charging for it, it stopped.
There you have it. That convinced me.


This nebulous picture is clearly that of a woman named Mary whose hymen is intact.


The dude on the right can't believe he just travelled 3000 miles and wasted his vacation to see the old "Flashlight under the Sheet" trick!




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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: Swami]
    #616455 - 04/23/02 02:10 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

----My understanding is that spiritual powers are not to be
used for show but to help others. Using them to get money would then be highly antithetical to spirituality

there are like a million psychics that you have to pay for a reading correct me if im wrong !


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: MuShi_KiNg]
    #616500 - 04/23/02 03:15 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

'My understanding is that spiritual powers are not to be
used for show but to help others. Using them to get money would then be highly antithetical to spirituality'

Mushi_King:
"there are like a million psychics that you have to pay for a reading correct me if im wrong !"

Can one be psychic without being spiritual?
Or are they just frauds?
Maybe whatever powers they had were taken from them because they used them for personal gain. And now they just go through the motions.

I would never consult them at any rate.
Personally I go out to eat once a week for Chinese.
I get a free fortune cookie with my meal.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: mr crisper]
    #616708 - 04/23/02 07:23 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

It appears that those who claim psychic abilities are only fooling themselves (and the gullible), otherwise we would have seen Mr. Randi make a pay out.

Where are the takers?

Where are the believers? (maybe they're really doubters)

Can I get a witness? Oh, wait a minute. We can't have witnesses because that would negatively affect the process.

Concerned about negative energy? I got an idea. As a condition of your demonstration, gather about a hundred of your fellow believers. Have them sit around the building and chant or hum like all those old 'Masters' did in the 'Kung Fu' TV series. It worked for Kwai Chang Caine!

C'mon all you shroomers, grab your Syrian Rue and some Ecuadors and get Randi's money. Think of all the good you could do with $1,000,000.00! You could house the homeless, feed the hungry, inoculate third world children against disease and cast out the demons of poverty from your bank account. More importantly, you could get Swami to eat a big piece of humble pie! Doesn't that make it all worth while?

Or do you doubt that it can be done?




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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: ]
    #616715 - 04/23/02 07:29 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I can prove my syekick abilities. And i can prove it, i know who the next person to post to this thread will be.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #616740 - 04/23/02 07:50 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

just to ruin it for you :tongue: 


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: raytrace]
    #616745 - 04/23/02 07:52 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Dammit!
i guess this means i don't get the money.


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Re: demonstrate your psychic powers and get cashed up [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #616787 - 04/23/02 08:41 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

no, you wouldn't get the money anyway. this, obviously, means swami has got a problem with his connection.


Edited by raytrace (04/23/02 08:44 PM)


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