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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Madtowntripper]
#6060440 - 09/14/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay. Last week, Carson Palmer threw for 127 yards. Byron Leftwich threw for almost TWICE as many. So, by your estimation, The Jags have a FAR superior passing game, right? Thats a stupid statement to make.
I didn't make any statement like that. I think the stupid statement here is "[The Bears] have the best rushing attack in the league."
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Thomas Jones rushed for 1300 yards despite missing several games. at 90 yards a game, thats another 200, roughly, right? So call it 1500. The leading rusher in the league rushed for a little over 1800.
He missed one game. There is a world of difference between a projected 1300-1400 yard rusher and an 1800-1900 yard rusher.
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If the Bears dont end up having a rushing offense that ranks in the top 2 or 3 in the league, I'd be shocked.
Time will tell. I don't see any reason to be so confident though.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Infrared]
#6060442 - 09/14/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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You silly mislead Chicago fans...
When the Seahawks march into Soldier Field on October first you will witness first hand what a great quarterback can do to compliment a great running game.
Couple that with a great defense, and you have a drubbing of the Bears.
And don't bring up week one...Holmgren never allows the offensive line to be physical in training camp and it has shown in every single one of our opening games under his tenure. Hutch or not, we actually do have the best offensive line in the NFC.
Like it or not, the Hawks have the deepest DT rotation in the league and lead the league in sacks without Julian Peterson.
Lofa Tatupu is one of the best MLB'ers in the game and this is his second year in the NFL. If you don't believe that, watch him on the 1st. (this ain't a knock over Urlacher; he's probably the best in the league)
And don't forget, by the 1st, Deion Branch will be acclimated to Holmgren's hybrid west coast offense; and he will be good.
If our secondary can make it through the season without a major injury like last year, we will be solid there. Even with the early loss of Mike Green. Though I would have loved to see him play in the Seahawk blue.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#6060469 - 09/14/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay. Last week, Carson Palmer threw for 127 yards. Byron Leftwich threw for almost TWICE as many. So, by your estimation, The Jags have a FAR superior passing game, right? Thats a stupid statement to make.
I didn't make any statement like that. I think the stupid statement here is "[The Bears] have the best rushing attack in the league."
You said the Seahawks are the better rushing team than the bears because they had more yards. I dont see how saying the Jaguars are a better passing team because they had more yards is any different in the slightest.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#6060471 - 09/14/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, and also, you do realize the Panthers frickin' destroyed you guys in the playoffs right?
Like they killed you- straight up you had no chance; this neccesarily isn't a knock on your team, but really your coaching staff. One on one against Steve Smith? Are you kidding me?
But know think of this; the Hawks just aquired a poor mans Steve Smith in Deion Branch; and we still have Darrell Jackson.
Who do you "shutdown?" Shaun Alexander, Darrell Jackson, Deion Branch, or Matt Hassellbeck? 'Cause there's no way you stop them all.
The Hass went 25/30 against the Lions when they stacked the line, not to mention he was the best quarterback in the NFC by a large margin.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: SweetLeaf]
#6060483 - 09/14/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm telling you, the only thing that changed from the regular season DRUBBING of the panthers was the coaching scheme.
Look at the game we beat them. WE KILLED THEM. It was ugly.
It was only when our coaches inexplicably decided not to cover Steve Smith that we got beat.
And did you WATCH the playoff game? If you think 26-21 is a destruction, your crazy.
The Seahawks put up 9 points against the Lions. That should be all you need to say about them.
9 points...Lions...
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Madtowntripper]
#6060524 - 09/14/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: You said the Seahawks are the better rushing team than the bears because they had more yards.
No I didn't. Where do you see that?
If you had asked me if Shaun Alexander was better than Thomas Jones I would say FUCK YES.
In fact:
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#6060536 - 09/14/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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the seahwaks used to have the best o-line in the nfl not anymore.. cuase your looser gm couldnt keep it together 
and now walter jones sprained his ankle.. hahahaha.. over with.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Madtowntripper]
#6060982 - 09/14/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok well of course you guys have an edge on the LINE.. SD runs a 3-4 defense. chi town runs the 4-3. fuckin noob... SD has a MUCH better LB corps
Chargers Merriman as a rookie last year... 43 tackles ... 10 Sacks Godfrey.. a vet.... 55 tackles... 1 sack Donnie Edwards.. vetern.. 112 tackles.. 3 sacks Philips... 32 Tackles.. 7 sacks
Bears Urlacher.. not even better than merriman.. 97 tackles.. 6 sacks (only 5 the previous year) Hillenmeyer.. who is he?... 83 tackles.. 1 sack Biggs... 45 Tackles.. 1 sack
Calculator Comparer. SD= 242 Tackles... 21 sacks Chicago= 225 Tackles... 9 sacks
Just showing you that YES. Bears have an edge on the LINE, but not in the linebacking area.. ud be a moron to tell me that Urlacher is a better LB NOW. than Merriman.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Banez]
#6061682 - 09/14/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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urlacher is better
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Infrared]
#6061857 - 09/14/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats not what the majority thinks.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Banez]
#6062762 - 09/14/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Big Walt is fine...his ankle isn't an issue.
So because the 'Hawks scored 9 points against the Lions we should disreguard the fact that they had the best Red Zone TD% last year, AS WELL as the highest scoring offense?
Not to mention there Red Zone defense was second only to the Bears.
All the Bears have on the 'Hawks are better defensive ends. That's it. And remember, we led the league in sacks, not the Bears.
Our DT rotation is ten times deeper then yours, and on the D-Line it's about staying fresh and fast.
But I'd kill to have Ogunleye. Guys a beast.
However, the 'Hawks are better 1-53. Get used to it, see ya on the 1st ya' clown.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: SweetLeaf]
#6063006 - 09/14/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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SweetLeaf, you're good ...i read the last 3 or 4 posts of yours aloud to my roomie (big Hawk fans) ...we both agree with you on damn near everything. He says "He's good" ..and i too agree with that..only thing he came up with to disagree with you on was "the poor mans Steve Smith" ...Deion is a "locker room guy". Which in turn will help out tons we'll never really know about. I know hes gonna fit in perfectly. *gimme alittle harp music* A match made in heaven. O and now you've given me more reason(if needed)to watch the Oct 1st game...i'll smoke one and drink one for yas...
Keep goin..
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: SweetLeaf]
#6063254 - 09/14/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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You definitely made some good points,
and I think our defense as good as it was last yr will even be more dominate this yr
my only concern is the offensive line, if we had what we have now plus Hutch I'd be talking just as much shit as you guys
but I can tell Dieon Branch is a good pickup, he was definitly worth the low 1st rounder, he'll probably become our best receiver, for he's like a newer more explosive version of Bobby Engram, our receiving core, running attack ,defense, special teams, coaching, quarterback, its all their, accept for the o-line is somewhat suspect, but thats it, everything else is top notch.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: capliberty]
#6095669 - 09/24/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, those bears sure are lookin weak against the vikings, and yeh the vikings are pretty decent but Rex opened up going 6 for 7 then missing his next 7 passes..I knew him being the top qb rating wouldnt last very long at all.
Reasons the Bears wont make the superbowl...
14 rushing yards in the first half against the Vikings
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: cApTaInCrAp]
#6096013 - 09/24/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who won again?
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Madtowntripper]
#6096099 - 09/24/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, dont ask me a question from the future. I didnt catch the end but its all good.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Madtowntripper]
#6096238 - 09/24/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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minnesota still gave chi-town a run for their money.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Banez]
#6097939 - 09/25/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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A lot of teams know Chicago as a running team but don't know too much about Rex's arm. Going to catch a lot of teams off guard. Next victum, Seahawks.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: Banez]
#6098406 - 09/25/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Banez said: ok well of course you guys have an edge on the LINE.. SD runs a 3-4 defense. chi town runs the 4-3. fuckin noob... SD has a MUCH better LB corps
Chargers Merriman as a rookie last year... 43 tackles ... 10 Sacks Godfrey.. a vet.... 55 tackles... 1 sack Donnie Edwards.. vetern.. 112 tackles.. 3 sacks Philips... 32 Tackles.. 7 sacks
Bears Urlacher.. not even better than merriman.. 97 tackles.. 6 sacks (only 5 the previous year) Hillenmeyer.. who is he?... 83 tackles.. 1 sack Biggs... 45 Tackles.. 1 sack
Calculator Comparer. SD= 242 Tackles... 21 sacks Chicago= 225 Tackles... 9 sacks
Just showing you that YES. Bears have an edge on the LINE, but not in the linebacking area.. ud be a moron to tell me that Urlacher is a better LB NOW. than Merriman.
Banez, you have to be some kind of idiot to think that weighing Urlachers sacks versus Merrimans sacks straight-up tells you whos better.
Urlacher is a middle linebacker- plays much more coverage, and his prime objective is to stop the run up the middle, inside the tackles.
Merriman is an outside linebacker who's primary job is to rush the passer. He was a DE coming out of college, and had the 'Hawks grabbed him (he went two spots before us), he would still be a DE. He occasionally drops into coverage.
As you can see, sacks do not reflect the case your making. Urlacher is required to run the defense, get his teamates into position, and hold down the middle, a much different task then what Merriman does.
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Re: Reasons The Bears Will Win The Super Bowl [Re: SweetLeaf]
#6098416 - 09/25/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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no im not just comparing sacks.. im also comparing the impact each player has.. anyone whos watched merriman play, just knows hes something special on defense.. IMO one of the best LB's in the game right now.. as a 2nd year player.
occasionally drops into pass coverage?... 50% or more of the time he drops into pass coverage playing on the TE or the RB on screens.
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