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makaveli8x8
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create hippies to control population?
#6056122 - 09/13/06 03:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hmm, not hating on hippies just exercising a little sterotyping....seem to me that people involved in drugs feel the law about them is injust.
puhaps the "war on drugs" is actually a war on population?
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#6056323 - 09/13/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So people are so blissed out and lazy they eventually starve or die of infected bed sores? I do not see what your getting at really, could you elaborate.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#6057292 - 09/13/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think originally the drug laws against opiates, marijuana, and cocaine were means of controlling and targeting immigrants and black people, but these days, the drug war is just out of stupidity passed on through ideology and assumptions.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Vvellum]
#6057306 - 09/13/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sometimes wonder if the whole "drug culture" is actually a product of prohibition.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Vvellum]
#6057682 - 09/13/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are incorrect. The drug war is a product of idiotic do gooders who think that just because some people can't handle their drug use, no people can handle their drug use. There is no nefarious conspiracy to put down the Negro and the Immigrant. These are the same stupid people who gave us Prohibition and thus enabled the Mob. They are stupid, not evil. Whenever possible, if you see something stupid, assume it is because of stupidity. There is a whole lot more stupidity than there is evil. And most people really do think drugs are bad for you (mostly they're right). Not that that's any justification for them putting you in jail for fucking yourself up, it's just that the motivation is not to fuck someone but to save them. Like I said, stupid.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Silversoul]
#6057686 - 09/13/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I sometimes wonder if the whole "drug culture" is actually a product of prohibition.
Well, it certainly contributes a great deal to its character.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6057771 - 09/13/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is no nefarious conspiracy to put down the Negro and the Immigrant.
you are correct about the idiotic "do-gooders", but you should familiarize yourself with the history of drug prohibition. racism definitely was a factor.
why is marijuana illegal
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Vvellum]
#6057853 - 09/13/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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To the extent that people thought Negroes were too stupid to look after themselves and needed guidance maybe. As a plot to incarcerate them, I doubt it.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058018 - 09/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess you didnt read the link I provided. Racism was a huge factor in drug prohibition.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Vvellum]
#6058046 - 09/13/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read the link. I found it no more authoritative than "reefer madness." Although this is an interesting fact from the link: :However, the first state law outlawing marijuana did so not because of Mexicans using the drug. Oddly enough, it was because of Mormons using it." Do gooders.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058213 - 09/13/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That link is far more informative and factual than Reefer Madness could ever hope to me. Nothing I have ever read on the War on Drugs goes against anything on that page. If you can find some proof that proves something in that article incorrect, feel free to make a reasonable addition to this thread.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Redstorm]
#6058316 - 09/13/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The notion that it was racist is disproved internally by my above citation
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058320 - 09/13/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That refers only to marijuana. How about opium and various other drugs?
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: Redstorm]
#6058357 - 09/13/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do gooders. I just don't buy the racism angle. I truly believe that it is just because of the moms against dope thing. I don't see a nefarious conspiracy to put "the Other" in prison.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058361 - 09/13/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What about hallucinogens? That's a "white boys" drug and it gets you 20 in NY
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058365 - 09/13/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Things were a wee bit different in the early 1900's than they are today. I don't believe the things you are rejected were very rare back then.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058379 - 09/13/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What about hallucinogens? That's a "white boys" drug and it gets you 20 in NY
That wasn't racism, but it was scapegoating similar to the racist scapegoating that got marijuana, cocaine, and opium made illegal. But in the case of hallucinogens, it was a subculture rather than a race. And I don't think Nixon would be considered a "do-gooder" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058411 - 09/13/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The notion that it was racist is disproved internally by my above citation
Negro Cocaine Fiends - New Southern Menace - NYT February 8, 1914
Remember this? Black, Latino, Native American, and many Asian youth were portrayed as purveyors of violence, traffickers of drugs and a danger to society. Criminality and deviance was racialized. Surveillance was focused on communities of color, immigrants, the unemployed, the undereducated, and the homeless, who continue to be the principal targets of law enforcement efforts to fight the war on drugs.
How is this not targeting race?
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6058471 - 09/13/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know about the rampant racism. I just don't think that's the reason for drug prohibition. Was capital P Prohibition racist? No, but it was certainly contemporary with the beginning of drug prohibition. Hell, we can play the British ticket and go the route that drug Permission was racist (see Opium War). Do gooders. Nanny statists.
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Re: create hippies to control population? [Re: zappaisgod]
#6058605 - 09/13/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're looking for the reason behind drug prohibition then yes, racism was only a way of promoting the drug war and pushing its propaganda into the mainstream. The ulterior motive behind prohibition is clear and simple: governments want to keep their citizens in line, it has nothing to do with keeping us healthy and protecting us from crime, it has all to do with security, and so the government will do anything to secure its institutions and its powers. If people were allowed to freely choose how to chemically alter their nervous system, well then it would be power back to the people, wouldn't it? And we all know that's not part of the script.
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