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Offlineali_sin
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comments on ego loss
    #605426 - 04/11/02 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

To truly dissolve the ego, you must first embrace the ego. You cannot simply experience it (tripping) and then come back to normal life and try to work it in. You just can't because your ego is still there, it is just disguising itself and fooling you.

Brothers and sisters, cultivate your ego, embrace your ego, strengthen your ego, but be concious of it. And then after you truly realize the evils of it, you will be able to drop it. But continue with a weak ego, and you will never escape it.

Ego ain't so bad!


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Re: comments on ego loss [Re: ali_sin]
    #605491 - 04/11/02 04:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It amazes me when I read of others taking off on their psychological journeys using various substances or means and claiming 'ego loss'. When they return, they state for a fact that they encountered this alien being, that reptilian creature or this spirit entity and argue quite emphatically that their interpretation of the experience is the unvarnished truth.

It would seem to me that they are letting their egos get in the way of the experience of their 'ego loss.' Why can't they be honest and say something to the effect of "I experienced _______ and within my mind it seemed to take the form of _______" (fill in the blanks).

To properly understand our experiences we should leave behind preconceptions and attempt to know them for only what they are, not classify them within the framework of prior religious, scientific, mythical or fictitious concepts which are floating around within our psyches. Of course this is very difficult because quite a bit of our higher thought processes involve symbolic thinking of one form or another and the classification process works a lot on the subconcious level. But it can be done.


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Re: comments on ego loss [Re: ]
    #605564 - 04/11/02 06:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

evolving-
It would seem to me that they are letting their egos get in the way of the experience of their 'ego loss.' Why can't they be honest and say something to the effect of "I experienced _______ and within my mind it seemed to take the form of _______" (fill in the blanks).

Very concise, nice. That is what I want everyone with a crazy experience to REALLY think about. The interpretation should be as unbiased as possible.


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Re: comments on ego loss [Re: ali_sin]
    #606115 - 04/12/02 08:12 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

john lilly referred to ASC-induced experiences thusly : "as if" ... and he was one to fully enter into some rather "far out spaces" --- so for the duration of the experience, the internal reality was fully lived; but at the termination of the experience, he required re-integration into the "external reality" (see his: the center of the cyclone; the dyadic cyclone; the scientist; programming and metaprogramming in the human biocomputer; etc. ...)
leary and some of his crew, on the other hand, wanted to see how long they could extend the "psychedelic state", and also to be able to choose how to re-form the post-trip personality in an optimal configuration :wink: ...
ummm, ymmv...


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Re: comments on ego loss [Re: ali_sin]
    #606131 - 04/12/02 08:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ego...
watts, huxley, ram das, gurdjieff, freud, jung, reich, grof, gutama buddha, jesus christ, sufis of various orders, uncle al crowley (well...), ...words, words, words...
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well... self, or ego, or atman... monkey-mind, observer, discursive intellect... no-self, buddha-mind, who is in charge around here anyway???


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Re: comments on ego loss [Re: gnrm23]
    #606370 - 04/12/02 01:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Lilly was a brilliant scientist, but also a Ketamine addict. Addiction belongs to the ego, so his journeys into ego-loss did not carry back to normal reality.


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