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Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video.
#6053490 - 09/12/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Loose Change and Popular mechanics debate, watch it here.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6053528 - 09/12/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thank you!
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: kotik]
#6053578 - 09/12/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really do not like Jason Bermas.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6053632 - 09/12/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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he's more outspoken.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6053725 - 09/12/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I just disliked the way he kept saying "your a liar". As far as the whole debate went I do not think there was much of one. The guys from Popular Mechanics seemed condescending (the holocaust denial part). Avery was better behaved than I have seen and heard him previously, although on the whole I think the Popular Mechanics guys did seem to be the more rational party. I still refuse to stand behind anyone, I do not know who did it.
Edited by Andy21 (09/12/06 02:47 PM)
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6053743 - 09/12/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow at 35:24 min you can see the Popular Mechanics "debunker's" completely ignore a and SPIN William Rodriguez's testimony of a bomb going of in the basement before the plane hit. Simply amazing i don't know how you can call them the most rational party.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6053796 - 09/12/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Andy21 said: Yeah, I just disliked the way he kept saying "your a liar". As far as the whole debate went I do not think there was much of one. The guys from Popular Mechanics seemed condescending (the holocaust denial part). Avery was better behaved than I have seen and heard him previously, although on the whole I think the Popular Mechanics guys did seem to be the more rational party. I still refuse to stand behind anyone, I do not know who did it.
i liked jason's comment when he said "no, i'm not calling anyone a liar, i'm calling you a liar."
anyways, i think both parties stood well at the end of the debate, the guys of loose change however were a bit frustrated i could see, probably because their opponents were side-stepping many of their arguments by claiming to have talked to different "experts" or just simply ignoring their points.
also notice that the popular mechanics guys were the only ones to have a script on piece of paper in front of them on which they often looked to. the facts and figures of loose change came straight from the tongue.
i dont have much credibility for "experts" and "specialists", sure they know a bit, but they often miss the overall picture. they lack wider perspectives which loose change had for sure.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: buckwheat]
#6053806 - 09/12/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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buckwheat said: Wow at 35:24 min you can see the Popular Mechanics "debunker's" completely ignore a and SPIN William Rodriguez's testimony of a bomb going of in the basement before the plane hit. Simply amazing i don't know how you can call them the most rational party.
First, I think that they didn't purposefully ignore anything. From about 34:41 until 35:11 the Loose Change guys are just spitting allegation after allegation. The Popular Mechanics guys began addressing them once they got a chance, but honestly, they're gonna miss something.
I also didn't think it was spin, because the Loose Change guys did not provide a direct quote, and the Popular Mechanics guys used the actual language.
I also think Popular Mechanics was far more rational, especially given the attitude of the Loose Change guys. Look at around 34:29 for the wonderful quote from Bermas "I'm not calling anyone a liar, I'm calling you a liar because you're lying"
Yeah, he's a sharp one...
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Economist]
#6054090 - 09/12/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Economist said:
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buckwheat said: Wow at 35:24 min you can see the Popular Mechanics "debunker's" completely ignore a and SPIN William Rodriguez's testimony of a bomb going of in the basement before the plane hit. Simply amazing i don't know how you can call them the most rational party.
First, I think that they didn't purposefully ignore anything. From about 34:41 until 35:11 the Loose Change guys are just spitting allegation after allegation. The Popular Mechanics guys began addressing them once they got a chance, but honestly, they're gonna miss something.
I also didn't think it was spin, because the Loose Change guys did not provide a direct quote, and the Popular Mechanics guys used the actual language.
I also think Popular Mechanics was far more rational, especially given the attitude of the Loose Change guys. Look at around 34:29 for the wonderful quote from Bermas "I'm not calling anyone a liar, I'm calling you a liar because you're lying"
Yeah, he's a sharp one...
I'm not defending the Loose Change guys i agree they are no experts at all. But they do bring good evidence at times. I'm not going to debate a debate instead take William Rodriguez and 20 others take on what they saw. William Rodriguez was the head custodian of the North Tower and was the only person besides the Port Authority to have the Master Key of the North tower.
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6054402 - 09/12/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Andy21]
#6054430 - 09/12/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think the loose change kids actually did ok in this debate
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: KingOftheThing]
#6054616 - 09/12/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was actually pretty disappointed with the LC (loose change) guys. They didn't present any of the hard evidence like the freefall speed of the towers, the molten liquid pouring out of the towers, or Steve Jones analysis of the molten metal which turned up traces of thermate.
I think that all of the best evidence is right in front of us. It was plastered all over the news for weeks! It's the footage of the the Twin Towers defying the laws of physics!
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: dr0mni]
#6054921 - 09/12/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Popular Mechanics guy kept saying that there were pictures of the Boeng in the Pentagon. Where are they? If there really were, wouldn't they be made public? What a crock of shit
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#6055039 - 09/12/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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cowabunga_dude said: The Popular Mechanics guy kept saying that there were pictures of the Boeng in the Pentagon. Where are they? If there really were, wouldn't they be made public? What a crock of shit
They said there were photos of the Boeing pieces inside the Pentagon, they never contended that the plane didn't break up at all
As for the photos of the piece in the pentagon, well they are out there and they are public.
Look what I found with nothing more than a google search:
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
But then, a google search probably counts as "research" something the Loose Change guys clearly weren't that "into".
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Re: Loose Change debates Popular Mechanics video. [Re: Basilides]
#6055073 - 09/12/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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