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U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll
    #6051525 - 09/11/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/11/iraq.deaths.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The U.S. military did not count people killed by bombs, mortars, rockets or other mass attacks when it reported a dramatic drop in the number of murders in the Baghdad area last month, the U.S. command said Monday.

The decision to include only victims of drive-by shootings and those killed by torture and execution, usually at the hands of death squads, allowed U.S. officials to argue that a security crackdown that began in the capital August 7 had more than halved the city's murder rate.

But the types of slayings, including suicide bombings, that the U.S. excluded from the category of "murder" were not made explicit at the time. That led to confusion after Iraqi Health Ministry figures showed that 1,536 people died violently in and around Baghdad in August, nearly the same number as in July.

The figures raise serious questions about the success of the security operation launched by the U.S.-led coalition. When they released the murder rate figures, U.S. officials and their Iraqi counterparts were eager to show progress in restoring security in Baghdad at a time when Iraq appeared on the verge of civil war.

At the end of August, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, said violence had dropped significantly because of the operation. Caldwell said "attacks in Baghdad were well below the monthly average for July. Since August 7, the murder rate in Baghdad dropped 52 percent from the daily rate for July."

However, Caldwell did not make the key distinction that the rate he was referring to excluded a significant part of the daily violence in and around the capital. On Monday, for example, at least 20 of the 26 people slain in the capital were killed in bombings.

"These comments were intended to highlight some specific indicators of progress and were never stated in relation to broader casualty figures," U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said Monday.

He said Caldwell "used murders and executions specifically because they are a key indicator of sectarian-related violence."

Johnson said other types of violence that are recorded by the military as "indicators for calculating casualties" include suicide attacks, mortar and rocket assaults, roadside bombs -- called improvised explosive devices, or IEDs -- small-arms fire "such as when used to fire in crowds after an IED attack versus an individual being murdered," and car bombs -- known as VBIEDs.

Under the military definition, murders include civilians killed "who are specifically targeted," but do not include executions or "those killed in indirect fire, IED, VBIED, or suicide attacks, all of which may or may not be related to sectarian violence."

Executions, as defined by the U.S. military, include people who have been held, tortured and then killed and are considered to be motivated by ethnic or sectarian reasons -- unless they are some form of reprisal killing or related to crime.

Johnson would not provide the figures used to calculate the percentages and said the military would not give detailed information about trends because that could provide "our enemy information they need to adjust their tactics and procedures to be more effective against us."

He added that although the military collected data on violence from as many sources as possible and used a consistent methodology, "we do not claim our information represents every possible victim of violence."

The confusion over numbers underscores the difficulty of obtaining accurate death tolls in Iraq, which lacks the reporting and tracking systems of most modern nations. When top Iraqi political officials cite death numbers, they often refuse to say where the figures came from.

The Health Ministry, which tallies civilian deaths, relies on reports from government hospitals and morgues. The Interior Ministry, which commands the police, compiles figures from police stations, while the Defense Ministry reports deaths only among army soldiers and insurgents killed in combat.

The United Nations keeps its own count, based largely on reports from the Baghdad morgue and the Health Ministry. A U.N. official said it would be announcing August figures later.

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Re: U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6051835 - 09/11/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The U.S. also excludes the over 400 deaths of soldiers (aka:'security consultants') in the employ of private companies hired, paid for, and eligible for death benefits by the U.S. government when counting 'coalition force' casualties. As recruitng goals and standards are lowered so the U.S. government can put a nice spin on recruitment, privatization (the hiring of mercs) is utilized because the U.S. armed forces are undermanned, and it hides the military necessities and deaths by keeping them out of the official stats.


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Re: U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6051839 - 09/11/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

bahahahahaha what losers the U.S. Bush admin are.


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Re: U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6051864 - 09/11/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's laughable...

To dramatize it, the military is saying:
"murder rates are drastically down, when one does not include those murders related to the primary causes of murder in the area."


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Re: U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll [Re: Konnrade]
    #6051869 - 09/11/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, smoke another one. They're spinning the facts into a much greater sounding fiction, as usual. That's about it.


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Re: U.S. excluded car, suicide bombs from Iraq murder toll [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6052348 - 09/12/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if the idiots that think of these horrible lies realize that by lying to the public so horribly, they wind up getting twice the public backlash as they would have if they were honest.

Not only does the public find out the truth in the end, but they found out that their government honestly thought that an extremely incompetent lie would succeed in fooling everyone, which is bound to piss them off in and of itself more than any murder rate figures possibly could have.

"The public might be slightly annoyed by these figures, sir."

"well, you've got 30 seconds to think of a way to skew them. Those idiots will never know."

(news story breaks)

"well, that was a good idea!"

If those kinds of brains qualify you for important government jobs, I should have been elected president in 9th grade.


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