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OfflineMicrocosmatrix
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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Redstorm]
    #6051980 - 09/11/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I guess nothing will matter all that much in the long run, but I wanna see Bush hiking his ass back to Texas soon, it would make me very happy. I might even buy kegs and hire bands. Check the gathering forum at that time.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #6051987 - 09/11/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You'll be waiting until Election '08, regardless of who wins the elections this year.

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Redstorm]
    #6052000 - 09/11/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We'll see, maybe he'll have a heart attack. We might get lucky or something, but however it happens my 8-ball says he's going to be out of office early. He doesn't deserve to serve his entire stolen presidency.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: demiu5]
    #6052057 - 09/11/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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demius said:
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and the building of a more hopeful Middle East that holds the key to peace for America and the world.




Why does the building of a more hopeful Middle East hold the key to peace for America and the world?




Because when the Middle East is without hope, they drag the rest of the world down with them.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Basilides]
    #6052128 - 09/11/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Scared asses, they have their genies in their bottles, that's for sure.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Phred]
    #6052167 - 09/12/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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king george said:

:blah::blah::blah:




:glittershitz: ...

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Phred]
    #6052196 - 09/12/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If we do not defeat these enemies now, we will leave our children to face a Middle East overrun by terrorist states and radical dictators armed with nuclear weapons.




Is that a threat!?

Did he just threaten with nuclear weapons!?

Motherfucker, he did.

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6052202 - 09/12/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i wouldnt call it a threat,common sense maybe


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: quiver]
    #6052218 - 09/12/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I personally take it as an indirect threat.

"If we don't do this...then that will happen."

I want reasoning for this claim, not intimidation.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6052291 - 09/12/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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AlteredAgain said:
I personally take it as an indirect threat.

"If we don't do this...then that will happen."

I want reasoning for this claim, not intimidation.




Okay, here's some reasoning:

FACT: Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons
FACT: The President of Iran has said Israel should be wiped off the map

So, at the very least, there's one problem that's going to happen in the future if something isn't done...

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Basilides]
    #6052353 - 09/12/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
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demius said:
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and the building of a more hopeful Middle East that holds the key to peace for America and the world.




Why does the building of a more hopeful Middle East hold the key to peace for America and the world?




Because when the Middle East is without hope, they drag the rest of the world down with them.




Whenever they fuck themselves over, some jackass with money to spare starts up a campaign about how it's all the infidel's fault, and a gibbering horde of the mentally unsound rises up to slay us all.

What jews were to nazis, infidels are to militant muslims... a convenient scapegoat that lets their leaders sieze power.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Economist]
    #6052983 - 09/12/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Economist said:
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AlteredAgain said:
I personally take it as an indirect threat.

"If we don't do this...then that will happen."

I want reasoning for this claim, not intimidation.




Okay, here's some reasoning:

FACT: Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons
FACT: The President of Iran has said Israel should be wiped off the map

So, at the very least, there's one problem that's going to happen in the future if something isn't done...




sources of evidence to fact number one?


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6053141 - 09/12/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If Iran wasn't trying to build a nuclear weapon, then why is their current nuclear program run not just by the President and the head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organization, but also by the heads of the Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Defense Industries Organization?

If the purpose of the nuclear program really was entirely peaceful, where are the heads of public works and utilities? What is the military doing there?

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Economist]
    #6053335 - 09/12/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True, good perspective. Why is Iran running a nuclear program both officialy and behind the scenes? The purpose of the defense department of any government in the world is to create weapons. That's what they do. Whether they use these weapons to defend their homeland or misuse them to prey upon others, is entirely in their hands. Our problem is, we don't control any of the strings attached to this particular power. Power does not lie in the people, even in America.

Does this now mean that we have to go blow them up first?

Not in my ethics.

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Economist]
    #6055845 - 09/13/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Economist said:
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AlteredAgain said:
I personally take it as an indirect threat.

"If we don't do this...then that will happen."

I want reasoning for this claim, not intimidation.




Okay, here's some reasoning:

FACT: Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons
FACT: The President of Iran has said Israel should be wiped off the map

So, at the very least, there's one problem that's going to happen in the future if something isn't done...




You are correct. Iran will end up forcing us to choose between the preservation of Israel, or nuclear proliferation in the Arab Middle East, and the destruction of Israel. It's not all that difficult to determine what we will choose. And that's exactly why Israel got cocky last month. They know they're like our child. That's just the way it is.

It's not about wiping something off the map, it's about getting along with those around you. But I don't think the U.S. would lose much sleep turning Iran into a sea of glass. So they really better straighten the fuck up over there. I think.


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Konnrade]
    #6055854 - 09/13/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
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Basilides said:
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demius said:
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and the building of a more hopeful Middle East that holds the key to peace for America and the world.




Why does the building of a more hopeful Middle East hold the key to peace for America and the world?




Because when the Middle East is without hope, they drag the rest of the world down with them.




Whenever they fuck themselves over, some jackass with money to spare starts up a campaign about how it's all the infidel's fault, and a gibbering horde of the mentally unsound rises up to slay us all.

What jews were to nazis, infidels are to militant muslims... a convenient scapegoat that lets their leaders sieze power.




correct. This will be the decade of con artistry.

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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #6055858 - 09/13/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But why!?


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6055874 - 09/13/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why what?

Why stop a certified asshole from destroying an entire country?


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Economist]
    #6055886 - 09/13/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Economist said:
If Iran wasn't trying to build a nuclear weapon, then why is their current nuclear program run not just by the President and the head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organization, but also by the heads of the Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Defense Industries Organization?

If the purpose of the nuclear program really was entirely peaceful, where are the heads of public works and utilities? What is the military doing there?



You do not think our military was involved in our initial Nuclear developments?
How about the Soviets?
How about the Chinese?
How about the Indians?
Need I continue?


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Re: President Bush's speech of September 11, 2006 [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6055974 - 09/13/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ShroomDr said:
You do not think our military was involved in our initial Nuclear developments?
How about the Soviets?
How about the Chinese?
How about the Indians?
Need I continue?




But in all those cases, the nation had a stated goal of constructing a nuclear weapon (with the possible exception of the Soviet Union, who knows if they had any publicly stated goals at all, and the US, but then again, we got it first).

The point is, Iran is claiming that they only want to develop a completely peaceful nuclear program.

Were this actually the case, then the military would not be involved and it would be run by a civilian organization. Examples of civilian-based nuclear power programs are prolific: CNEN in Brazil (from 1962-1980s, then again after 1985 with the military government inherently tying the military to nuclear development, something the elected 1985 government stopped), the MOST in South Korea, Atomenergi in Sweden, FEPC in Japan, the list goes on and on.

The point is, those nations that truly want to develop peaceful nuclear technology, nuclear reactors for power generation, create civilian agencies or field the program out to existing civilian agencies.

Meanwhile, countries that want to build nuclear weapons get the military involved.

Iran's nuclear program is overseen by the military, thus it is reasonable to assume that they are attempting to build weapons.

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