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Takeoff on a Nietzche quote
    #6051463 - 09/11/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"There was only one Buddhist, and he sat under the Bo tree."

Agree or disagree?


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6051484 - 09/11/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dis
millions of buddhists.
billions of emanations of the buddha


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6051531 - 09/11/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Disagree.

Agree with red


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6054294 - 09/12/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, and that buddha would say no one should follow his every step, but should strive to make their own way, based on their experience. I think the essence of the quote is that no one can follow an identical path to anyone else. Perhaps even trying is folly, although that doesn't mean that one can't glean insights from another's good ideas.
But how can anyone possibly know just what the workings of another man's mind are, the complex of his intentions, and the landscape of his imagination, his visions, all that?

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6054333 - 09/12/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree. It's like saying the only true Christian was Jesus.

Plus, in my opinion, Nietzche was a fool.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Basilides]
    #6054491 - 09/12/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nietzche was just another monkey

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6054683 - 09/12/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
"There was only one Buddhist, and he sat under the Bo tree."

Agree or disagree?




Very much agree. :laugh:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
    #6054751 - 09/12/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Could you elaborate on your interpretation and why you agree please?


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6055187 - 09/12/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He agrees because everyone disagrees  :tongue:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6055505 - 09/12/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Disagree.
Everyone is a buddha.

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Basilides]
    #6055507 - 09/12/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Plus, in my opinion, Nietzche was a fool.

Explain yourself.

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6056568 - 09/13/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fractalated said:
Could you elaborate on your interpretation and why you agree please?




Each of us, being "god", need to find our own salvation (PATH).


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Edited by Icelander (09/13/06 09:35 AM)

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Basilides]
    #6056569 - 09/13/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Basilides said:
He agrees because everyone disagrees  :tongue:




Speak for yourself true believer. :wink:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
    #6056702 - 09/13/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What if the path you find has been trodden on by other men before?


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6056775 - 09/13/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
"There was only one Buddhist, and he sat under the Bo tree."

Agree or disagree?




"And".. Depending on the context.. :wink::thumbup:

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche(sic) quote [Re: Gomp]
    #6057531 - 09/13/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can't be taken serouisly when you call a man a fool and you spell his name wrong.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6057791 - 09/13/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What if the path you find has been trodden on by other men before?



The map is not the territory. The concept of the path is a map. A "nihilist" might step directly in the footprint of a "buddhist" on this allegorical path, but that does not mean both men had the same intentions or inner lives. Two men of the same cloth could be walking one in front of the other on the path, but really they could be worlds apart. That's because the path could never be the same for two people. Even if all of the same doctrine and ritual and practice was employed by both, they would still be having a very different experience, because of inherent differences between all individuals and also their different backgrounds.

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6058078 - 09/13/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fractalated said:
What if the path you find has been trodden on by other men before?




Not possible. Like snowflakes, each is a unique experience. :wink:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
    #6060317 - 09/14/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hm that's a good point.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060378 - 09/14/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Follow-up question for those who disagree: Do you agree with the original quote?

"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Fractalated]
    #6060379 - 09/14/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060563 - 09/14/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's interesting to read what Nietzsche thought of Buddhism...

"Buddhism is a hundred times more realistic than Christianity - it has the heritage of a cool and objective posing of problems in its composition, it arrives after a philosophical movement lasting hundreds of years; the concept 'God' is already abolished by the time it arrives. Buddhism is the only really positivistic religion history has to show us, even in its epistemology (a strict phenomenalism-), it no longer speaks of 'the struggle against sin' but, quite in accordance with actuality, 'the struggle against suffering'. It already has - and this distinguishes it profoundly from Christianity - the self-deception of moral concepts behind it - it stands, in my language, beyond good and evil..."

"The Supreme goal is cheerfulness, stillness, absence of desire, and this goal is achieved. Buddhism is not a religion in which one merely aspires after perfection: perfection is the normal case."

-- Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060646 - 09/14/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Follow-up question for those who disagree: Do you agree with the original quote?

"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."




I think this should be put into context. Nietzsche thought Jesus was a revolt against the Jewish church, priests, "higher men", caste, theologians, hierarchy, etc. His view of Jesus seems similar to the Gnostic's view, although he views Jesus in a less favorable light.

"Sin, every kind of distancing relationship between God and man, is abolished - presicely this is the 'glad tiding'. Blessedness is not promised, it is not tied to any conditions: it is the only reality - the rest is signs for speaking of it... It is not a 'belief' which distinguishes the Christian: the Christian acts, he is distinguished by a different mode of acting... he knows that it is through the practice of one's life that one feels 'divine', 'blessed', 'evangelic', at all times a 'child of God.' It is not penance, not prayer for forgiveness, which leads to God... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart - not something that comes 'upon the earth' or after death'."

He thinks the true message of Jesus, a message expressed by his actions rather than his words or death, was distorted by his Apostles in order to create a Church. Jesus was turned into the very thing he was against: a priest, a theologian, a 'saviors', a 'higher man', etc. That is why he says: "in reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the Cross... What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived."

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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6060662 - 09/14/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.




Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6060667 - 09/14/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice posts Mushman. You rock. :thumbup:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Silversoul]
    #6060677 - 09/14/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A "Buddhist" is one who is following the path taught by the Buddha. So no, i disagree on grounds that it is a totally illogical statement. :smirk:

There seems to be have been a sudden burst of interest in Buddhism on this forum lately. Hmm, the blessings of Lama Gendun perhaps?  :grin:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Sinbad]
    #6060686 - 09/14/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps.  :crazy2: :grin:


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: Icelander]
    #6060949 - 09/14/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
excellent, unique!
yet all are emanations of eachother,
connected.




Yes connected by affection/heart and some common experience. Yet each person is a seperate path in his own universe. I have never met two christians who agreed totally on what the christian experience is.



often I think that I made them up,
and that I contain them in their totality
and that I really understand them
and appreciate their unique separate expressions
which are expressions of me,
then I see that I am an expression of each of them.

the connection layers seem endless as well.


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Re: Takeoff on a Nietzche quote [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6061022 - 09/14/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, in the end, yes.


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