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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: RemainRandom50] * 1
    #5496069 - 04/09/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For some reason, AFTER like 10 mintues from cooling from the PC (still very hot), the kernals somewhat exploded :shocked: and every piece of wbs has a ringlet of water around it =/

I've used them for something else (experiemnt), so hopefully all goes well anyways.

I'm just hoping that you're correct about the Endospores :worried:

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5638499 - 05/16/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

^^ So did it work for you?

Sorry to drag up an old post, but I said I would report back, and It worked!

I am doing another run right now.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5639422 - 05/16/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You tighten the lids beforehand. Remember, you should have filtered holes with polyfil, Tyvek, micropore, etc that allow steam to escape through the lid.




I don't agree completely, when just using micropore tape and tightening the jars ive had the tape get deformed and sometimes baloon out because of the steam. This decreases the filtering ability




With tyvek, or micropore filtering.

I DO NOT tighten jar lids, prior to PC'ing.

I leave then half or 3/4 turn loose.

Then tighten, when I remove them from the PC.

Reason being, if the lids are TIGHT.

Steam develops inside the jars & the only place it has to exit IS.

Through the filter material.

Because the steam comes from moisture in wbs/grain jars.

It can/will carry a small amount of nutrients (from the wbs/grain moisture) - with it.

Meaning, that you can/will SATURATE filters with some nutrients.

Which, can later lead to contaminate spores germinating on the filters, and wicking into the wbs/grain jars. :mad2:

True, also, tight lids will cause micropore tape to bubble outward.

Not a good thing. As, that expands the pores of the tape.

Which DEGRADES it's filtering ability.

For that matter, I don't simmer wbs/grains - either.

To each his own & whatever works for you - does.




is this in the FAQ's?

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Fungi_x]
    #5734565 - 06/10/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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agar said:
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lardnar said:
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FooManShroom said:
You tighten the lids beforehand. Remember, you should have filtered holes with polyfil, Tyvek, micropore, etc that allow steam to escape through the lid.




I don't agree completely, when just using micropore tape and tightening the jars ive had the tape get deformed and sometimes baloon out because of the steam. This decreases the filtering ability




With tyvek, or micropore filtering.

I DO NOT tighten jar lids, prior to PC'ing.

I leave then half or 3/4 turn loose.

Then tighten, when I remove them from the PC.

Reason being, if the lids are TIGHT.

Steam develops inside the jars & the only place it has to exit IS.

Through the filter material.

Because the steam comes from moisture in wbs/grain jars.

It can/will carry a small amount of nutrients (from the wbs/grain moisture) - with it.

Meaning, that you can/will SATURATE filters with some nutrients.

Which, can later lead to contaminate spores germinating on the filters, and wicking into the wbs/grain jars. :mad2:

True, also, tight lids will cause micropore tape to bubble outward.

Not a good thing. As, that expands the pores of the tape.

Which DEGRADES it's filtering ability.

For that matter, I don't simmer wbs/grains - either.

To each his own & whatever works for you - does.




is this in the FAQ's?




No. I've never had the "contam wicking" phenomenon myself. I agree with not tightening the lids completely with micropore tape. It will expand it.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5744752 - 06/13/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is using the filters really necessary? I really don't want to go out looking for it. Also, my WBS jar got dried within 2 days, the seeds don't even look as wet as they did after taking them out of the PC. Here's what I did differently: I treated the jars like BRF's with 4 inoculation points and only foil to cover. It must be all those holes releasing too much moisture from the jar...or it could be my seeds not containing enough moisture in the first place. I soaked them for 24 hours, steeped them for 50 minutes, isn't that enough??

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: PsyCode]
    #5751060 - 06/14/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Is using the filters really necessary? I really don't want to go out looking for it. Also, my WBS jar got dried within 2 days, the seeds don't even look as wet as they did after taking them out of the PC. Here's what I did differently: I treated the jars like BRF's with 4 inoculation points and only foil to cover. It must be all those holes releasing too much moisture from the jar...or it could be my seeds not containing enough moisture in the first place. I soaked them for 24 hours, steeped them for 50 minutes, isn't that enough??




Try it my way just once with a small amount of WBS to see if it works for you. It always works for me. Your problem was probably incorrect moisture in the first place, not the holes.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5751182 - 06/14/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. I've used your tek (with slight alterations to fit my needs of course) and have great success. Five shrooms for you.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: fungus_among_us]
    #5804145 - 06/29/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just used this for some jars last week.Nice tek Foo.5 shrooms for you

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Blutjager]
    #5839102 - 07/09/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Any update on the results with rye FooMan?

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: davesj1]
    #5839969 - 07/09/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My jars all successfuly colonized...yee haw.

Great tek-ski

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5841071 - 07/10/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i tried this out tonight and the jars just came out of the PC and are looking good. i will inoculate with LC tomorrow after the cool-down and let you know how they turn out.

thanks!

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: davesj1]
    #5873749 - 07/18/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Any update on the results with rye FooMan?




Haven't had much success with rye using this method. The 1 time I used this tek for rye, I had too many bursted grains and moisture content was too high. I think it might have worked if I would have drained it better after the steep. The WBS works so good and is so cheap that I don't even bother with the rye at all anymore. I wouldn't rule out using rye with this method, but it would likely need some tweaking.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5963041 - 08/14/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i just had my 2nd try with wbs work tried the simering teks but after a few days had nasty goo stuff show up. i then did this

--i didn't make this my self followed some ones tek but forgot whos--

1 put wbs in a bowl get out all the floaters
2 drain/wash them nice and good
3 load in jars 3/4 full
4 add water 2/3's of the way up the wbs
5 PC for 1 hour (well i think i did 75)and let cool in the pc for about 24 hours

(no soaking or simmering)

didn't get any of that goo stuff or extra water.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: joker_66599]
    #6040822 - 09/08/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well today was the first time iv ever prepaired grain spawn and the first time iv ever used a PC. I used this tek as it cuts a lot of time since i need to do this when the folks arent home. My WBS must have consisted of 1/3 of sunflower seeds which was kind of a pain in the ass so i added more to soak.
The operating pressure of my PC is 11.6 psi so i gave it a good 1.5 hours to sterilize, i guess it was long enough.
Couple of questions though:

(1) Would it be best to let the PC cool overnight before opening and inocculating my jars?

(2) I just used a hole in the lid stuffed with polyfill like on sporeworks. I was wondering if i should maybe cover the lid with kitchen roll to act as a dust filter? I dont have any tyvek or coffee filters handy so its to only option at the mo.

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: zeegos]
    #6040868 - 09/08/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

1) your jars should go into the PC with the rings on loose (this prevents steam from forcing its way through your polyfill during the PC'ing, which can "taint" it with traces of nutrients creating a contam wick.)  let the PC naturally release pressure and cool a little.  take jars out carefully (they're fragile when they're hot and you dont wanna burn yourself), tighten the rings down, give them a shake to distribute the kernels one more time (since the ones on the bottom tend to end up moister than the rest after the PC proces) and return it to the PC.  put the lid back on the PC when you've tightened and shook all of them, and yes let it cool completely, preferably overnight before inoculating.

2) i'm not sure what kitchen roll is... maybe that's some kind of UK term i've not heard of? :wink: if its paper towels, sure a layer or two should work out fine.  if its something like plastic wrap, no.  you dont wanna cover them with anything that will seal them, they need to breathe.  you can also simply take the aluminum foil top you had on the lids when you PC'd, and put that back on (but don't squeeze it on tightly, leave it loosely crumpled so gases can still exchange.)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #6040898 - 09/08/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Great Tek! Grains don't look intimidating at all now!

Foo Man you mentioned that you mix the WBS with coir "when not used as spawn." Does the word "Spawn" only apply to the colonized WBS when you decide to take it a step further and inoculate something else- maybe a Bulk tek?

If you don't go bulk, you can just mix in coir, pour in pan, top with casing of your choice, cover, colonize and fruit that way right? Just trying to get my facts straight.

Just making sure I fully understand vocab and process.

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FriendlyNeighbor]
    #6041052 - 09/08/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Spawn(noun) means the colonized grains, or when used to spawn(verb) it means to take the colonized grains and mix with a bulk substrate, such as coir, straw or manure.

I agree the terms can get confusing. They are often misused, which further complicates things.
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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: creamcorn]
    #6041119 - 09/08/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well i just used quart jars which contaived olives so i hope these are ok.
And yes, kitchen roll i guess is aka paper towels like 'bounty', the super absorbant and durable wipes that no ordinary brands can compete with  :grin:
I hope i can shake these up alright because i filled them almost to the top since i wont be shaking them during colonisation (using these for pan cyans)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: zeegos]
    #6042314 - 09/08/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just got a PC but it doesn't come with a pressure gauge reading on the lid. After sterilization is complete, how long does it usually take for pressure to drop back down to zero? I need to know this so that I may remove the lid safely to shake up my jars without blowing my head off from openning an active PC.

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FriendlyNeighbor]
    #6042436 - 09/08/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

about an hour or so.


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