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Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record!
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Normally, it takes about 6-8 weeks for me to get pins. Using a combination of techniques, I got my fastest ever pinset.

Very simple:

1. I innoculated pint jars with about a half teaspoon of birdseed mycelium.

2. The substrate was coco-coir soaked in birdseed broth, then hand-wrung until almost dry. It should be light and fluffy, not heavy like wet coffee grounds.

Seems that the additional aeriation provided by the coco-coir and the "predigested" nature of the broth allows for extremely rapid growth.

Try it and see!

Props to all that contributed their ideas and experiments that made this possible.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Swami]
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sounds alot like the secret mystery one year in the making mcman substrate..
What was the "birsdseed broth"? the leftovers from cooking them?


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Swami]
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i'm confused. you used coir soaked in birdseed broth as the substrate? then what did you do? case? with what? more coir?

you had colonized birdseed and you used this to innoculate the broth soaked coir? why not just cased the seed with the coir?
and it really takes you 6-8 weeks to get a pinset? using the method you have stated above or another one?


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: XAZIA]
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> why not just cased the seed with the coir

There is something about coir that allows the mycelium to grow like crazy. I always guessed that it was the long fibers acting like little mycelium highways allowing the mycelium to spread quickly. In a normal birdseed substrate there are a lot of gaps between the seeds requiring the mycelium to build up mass before it can cross the gap or requiring the mycelium to find a contact point with another seed to cross the gap. Also, by including the coir in the substrate, the mycelium will have already adapted to using it when the casing is added resulting in less casing time, theoretically.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Seuss]
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makes sense..
so is that why the coir spawned by the seed is soaked in seed broth? to give some nutritive qualities to discern it from the casing layer of the same material that will be added later?


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: DinoMyc]
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What was the "birsdseed broth"? the leftovers from cooking them?
Basically. Just ran some through the blender first.

On a separate note to those not wanting to play with the coco-coir: a coarse grind of birdseed also quickens colonization. The mycelia uses a lot of energy breaking through the tough husks on the millet. Give the little guy a helping hand.

Will I buy more coc-coir after this experiment? No. The extra hassle and cost are not worth it to me, but it was interesting testing this out.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: XAZIA]
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i'm confused. you used coir soaked in birdseed broth as the substrate?
Yes.

then what did you do? case? with what? more coir?
No casing. That was it.

you had colonized birdseed and you used this to innoculate the broth soaked coir?
Yes.

and it really takes you 6-8 weeks to get a pinset?
Yes using standard techniques. They incubate and colonize at room temperature so it is slower.





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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Seuss]
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It is very tricky getting the moisture level right. The coir is very sponge-like. too much water and the mycelium grows much, much slower.

Use your hands and squeeze out ALL of the water that you can. It will seem too dry, but will be fine when in a sealed environment (a jar).

I think the main speed increase is due to availablity of nutrients in addition to your fine explanation.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Swami]
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it doesnt seem like you'll get more than 1 flush on this..... seeing how the broth is gonna be easy to digest for the mycellium, maybe 2 good flushs

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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: LSD_4me]
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Most likely. Will let you know. Trade off speed for yield.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: LSD_4me]
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It would be interesting to do a birdseed/coir substrate combo and see how that works. Use the coir to help the myclium spread quickly and the birdseed to supply nutrients. I would probably start out with a 70/30 seed to coir and go from there.

Where did this "coir doesn't have nutrients" stuff come from? It is organic and can be consumed by something. Just because coir is selective in what grows on it does not mean that it doesn't food value. Granted, its food value to cubensis mycelium might be fairly low compared to something like rye berries.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Seuss]
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I did exactly this. I did not write down the ratios. Colonized almost as quickly as the coir alone. I used slightly ground birdseed, a little verm and a good amount of coir.

One thing that I can tell you, it grows the most amazing mycelium that I have ever seen. White, thick and puffy like cotton candy. The kind of mycelium that poets write ballads about. No pins yet, but any day.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Swami]
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I just made up 5 jars using 1/2 cup rye berries blended with 1 cup distilled H2O then added 1/2 cup wormcastings and another cup of H20 and boiled it for 10 minutes
then i strained it and let it cool and put in about 1/4 of a brick of coco coir in it to soak it up and it was just wet enough to get a drop or 2 when you squeeze it.

I packed the coir mixture lightly into the 5 jars then put in a 1/2 inch layer of vermiculite on top and boiled the jars for 1 hour and leat cool for 24 hours

I then inoculated each of the 5 with different spores (Eq, Pan Trop, Mex Cub, B+, and Amazonian) to see if one of them grows better on this mixture

I'll post the results as i see them taking shape

I used worm castings along with BRF in 10 PF jars and innoculates 5 with Eq and 5 with B+ and did 10 normal BRF jars (5 Eq, 5B+) to use as a control on the colonization speed and the wormcasting/BRF jars are all at an average of 90% colonized while the BRF jars are at about an average of 50% colonized. I have lost 1 jar to green mold but it was a BRF jar so that's why i chose to add worm castings to the coco coir substrate.

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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Swami]
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keep up all the good work everyone!
it's wonderful to hear people experimenting, this is exactly what can make this forum so wonderful and enjoyable to visit!
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I believe coco-coir is essentially wood in structure, I have to look it up though.. it is coconut husk... remember, outside of the usa coconuts do not come naked :smile:..

swami, how far along are you now? a break down of yields would be appreciated.


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: DinoMyc]
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whaaaat you expect me to believe coconuts naturally have some hairy fiber on the outside??? you must be crazy

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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: LSD_4me]
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heh, indeed I do!
coconuts are huge compared to what we get..


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: LSD_4me]
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Haven't you seen the movie castaway? About half the movie is the main character trying to figure out how  to husk a coconut. :smile: 


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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: Seuss]
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hehe, i was just kidding guys

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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: LSD_4me]
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I was poking fun at the movie, not you. You sound smart enough to know what a coconut looks like when it drops from the tree.

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Re: Pinset in 2 weeks - personal record! [Re: DinoMyc]
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I use coco coir a lot in my orchids as well as fine chips of coconut husk. I am now growing one of my med-pot plants in the coir as an experiment. Now I'm going to experiment with the coconut products and the birdseed broth for my mushrooms. I am also going to try making the broth from the garbage on the bottom of my parrot's cage which is basically seeds and shells and guano from a seed eater. The chips might be really good as there are fine air spaces between them and all the fibres are running the same way with spaces for the mycellium to penetrate the chip. The reason we use the coir with orchids is that it is basically inert and does not break down for years. I use organic teas with the orchids and my med-pot and my opinion is that if you would just keep adding your grain broth to the coir you might postpone your growth indefinitely. I think the wood eaters might eat the coir as it is lignin rich. The bacteria don't seem to be able to break it down.


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