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28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job
#6038392 - 09/07/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job Highlights missing Pentagon trillions as potential motive
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 7 2006
A 28-year CIA career man and a former skeptic of alternative 9/11 explanations has gone further than ever before in voicing his convictions that the attacks bore the hallmarks of an inside job and the three buildings in the WTC complex were brought down by controlled demolition.
Bill Christison is a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. Since then he has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies.
In Christison's recent article, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 , he afforded credibility to the notion that "significant parts" of the official 9/11 story were false and after careful research he concluded that the twin towers and building 7, "were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings."
Christison went further on The Alex Jones Show, agreeing that the attacks being an inside job was the "most likely possibility."
"David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too," said Christison.
Christison initially approached the subject unwilling to even consider that elements of the government could be engaged in such heights of criminality but his research quickly began to change his mind.
"Just about half a year ago it dawned on me that not only was I trying to avoid an issue that might be extraordinarily important - more important than any other issue," said Christison.
"I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen."
Christison (pictured) stated that the suspicious collapse of the three buildings, including building 7 which wasn't hit by a plane, were likely the result of controlled demolitions.
"The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes."
"All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions."
Referencing the 2.3 trillion dollars that was discovered to be missing from the Pentagon's coffers, Christison emphasized the fact that with an unlimited budget, the scope of operations that could be undertaken by the military-industrial complex are almost without recourse.
"There is so much money now sloshing around throughout not only the CIA but the intelligence components of the Defense Department - which are actually bigger than the CIA - that these guys can do almost anything they want these days."
Christison said that one of the subsidiary motives behind 9/11 was to take attention away from an impending exposure of the missing trillions and criminal proceedings against high officials - just as LBJ had Kennedy assassinated partly to delay imminent corruption probes that would have sent him to prison.
Christison is just the latest in a deluge of former government and intelligence agency insiders to boldly go public with their doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and he has an urgent message for future whistleblowers who might be considering the same course of action.
"We have got to be willing to be discredited, we have got to stick our necks out - this is just plain too important."
Edited by Rahie (09/07/06 01:07 PM)
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rahie]
#6038468 - 09/07/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038476 - 09/07/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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+It's a X CIA agent, not Loose Change
Edited by Rahie (09/07/06 01:49 PM)
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rahie]
#6038488 - 09/07/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never said it wasn't
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038504 - 09/07/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So why would you post something talking about the guy from loose change?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rahie]
#6038511 - 09/07/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's no secret that The White House had information prior to 9/11 that commercial airplane's would be used by terrorists as a weapons against civillion targets. And considering how much the right-wing conservative agenda benefited from it, I can totally see the elite secretly "allowing" such a thing to happen. I would not be the least bit surprised... espescially when you see how many blunders allowed the tragedy (obviously fake passports, previous criminal backgrounds, etc.).
Tragedies are the best thing for law makers to cut through beaurocratic red tape. Post 9/11 perfect example: Patriot Act (double speak), Use of torture, Uni-lateral intervention, Ignoring of Geneva Conventions. They should just put Dubya in a cell right next to Sadam and Osama. Unfortunately, the powers these tyrants represent will still exist.
On the brighter side, At least the people are waking up... way too late in GW's second term unfortunately... which will be reflected when Democrats take back Congress in landslide victory very soon.
PS - And goodbye to Tony Blair too, hahah. Again way too late. And again, the powers he represents have another puppet in line already. It's a sad state of affairs our political world is. But as long as were glued to our seats by the jews in Hollywood (i say this partiallly in jest) we're fucked. A bunch of political morons we are here stateside. It takes huge oil prices for us to sit up and take notice. Again... Bushes administration has been perhaps the greatest victory by essentially neo-conservative and fanatical born-again christian interests. Not too shabby for an x-coke head flunkie. Personally, I liked the pot-smokin' (in denial) types better... Clinton was the man :-D
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038522 - 09/07/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't, asshole.
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
so then it would be pretty dumb to think that the US government would do something like that to make it easier for us to invade iraq and declare war on them because they have WMDs right? It would be stupid for us to think that they would do this to scare the citizens of the US into letting legislatioin pass that would give more power to our government and money and strip us of our constitutional rights then.
Ya you're right it would be pretty stupid...
i think it would be pretty stupid to take a perfectly harmless drug like marijuana and make posessing it worse than murdering someone. It would be pretty stupid to outlaw potentailly beneficial medicines from being studied, it would be pretty stupid to want more and more power and more and more money!
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038590 - 09/07/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't, asshole.
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
There are plenty of legitimate reasons that the government would bomb "itself". However, when you say itself I assume you mean private civilians and companies, which suffered the greatest losses. The only bombing of any government building was done on a wing of the pentagon which wasn't even fully occupied due to renovation. Really, they just did some quick demolition work for themselves.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038664 - 09/07/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't, asshole.
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
You've got to be kidding me...it's not like this is the first time the U.S. government has betrayed it's own people.
Pearl Harbour for example...
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rono]
#6038679 - 09/07/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is this about Peral Harbor? I've never heard this one, please tell or link.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: StroFun]
#6038691 - 09/07/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: demiu5]
#6038765 - 09/07/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is this about Peral Harbor? I've never heard this one, please tell or link.
Pearl Harbor...
The US Government had reports ahead of time that the Japanese were planning to attack Pearl Harbor.
The reason that they didn't do anything...and basically allowed the Japanese to attack was to get involved in WW2...to join the War. See the US Government wanted to join the war...but the majority of the people in the US didn't want us involved in the War. After the attack on Pearl Harbor everyone in the US wanted pay back on the Japanese. So they basically allowed the Japanese to attack us...to get involved in the War.
The main Carrier groups and their support ships from Pearl Harbor were not there when the Japanese attacked....how convenient!~
My Father was at Pearl Harbor the day the Japanese attacked... and he was badly injured. Mostly burns. 
He pulled dead bodies out of the Harbor for over a week forcably... by Marines with rifles. He said it wasn't a pretty site!~ He never got over it...his whole life. He suffered from post war syndrome...he would flip out and think he was back there. 
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Psiloptile]
#6038788 - 09/07/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow. I just watched V for Vendetta and I'm just waiting for a "freedom fighter" to deliver us from this tyranny.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Roadkill]
#6038789 - 09/07/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had never heard that before, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Image...what bullshit.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038900 - 09/07/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't asshole
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
goooood sheeep. gooood sheeep. *pets the sheep*
It's a good thing governments have so many people like you to count on 
Now go start digging those marijuana roots out of hell!
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: 76degrees]
#6038955 - 09/07/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's kind of interesting how people never learn from history... even in a world where we are 'enlightened' about things like equality and justice we allow social states like this to occur...
New names change nothing...
Allowing a man to be put in prison and raped or beaten repeatedly- in response to his possession of a plant... sounds like... ...torture... ...to me.
(Purely politically targeted torture no less.)
Hunting 'evil men' with hearts filled with a certain feeling called 'terrorism'... sounds like... ...a witch hunt... ...to me.
...perhaps the human organism is simply too stupid to understand the right to life when they're on the other end of the scope...?
But I don't think that would ever be me pulling the trigger.
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and once you realize what sort of people are in charge here, it's really quite easy to see how they could stand to blow up a few buildings. You need a match to start a fire.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6038991 - 09/07/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
Ignorant people like you will only further propel our government into totalitarianism. Keep stickin your head in the sand smokey, this country is bound to get whats deserved.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#6039130 - 09/07/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself. "
Wow a newbie, never thought id see one on this conscious website. You'd have to be an idiot to think the government would outlaw Medicine that grows from the ground for free, and benefits humanity.
just a message to you.. watch Terror Storm, Watch Loose Change, Watch 9/11 the road to tyranny. check out http://www.infowars.com http://www.loosechange911.com. another reallly good one is.
http://www.pumpitout.com
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: downlowfunk]
#6039335 - 09/07/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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LBJ had JFK K.I.A.?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rahie]
#6039650 - 09/07/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think liberals masterminded 9/11 so they could say it was a right-wing conspiracy. You have the motive, what else do you need? BTW, I was a janitor at the CIA for 32 years so I know.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6040471 - 09/08/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
And you are not willing to actually engage in discussion or involve yourself in elaborating on why you think that he would be an idiot to believe such?
Who cares what your wonderful opinion on the matter is if you aren't going to step up and explain your reasoning. Why waste our time?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: fireworks_god]
#6040818 - 09/08/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think i'm going to make a dumb statement attacking random people i've never met because they are classified differently from me even though i do not give any facts or reasoning...
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Rahie]
#6040887 - 09/08/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cant find much about the Pentagon's coffers and the missing trillions.
Im interested to know what its about.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Catalysis]
#6041274 - 09/08/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: I think liberals masterminded 9/11 so they could say it was a right-wing conspiracy. You have the motive, what else do you need? BTW, I was a janitor at the CIA for 32 years so I know.
I assume you are joking? If not, then it's even more hillarious 
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Roadkill said: He pulled dead bodies out of the Harbor for over a week forcably... by Marines with rifles. He said it wasn't a pretty site!~ He never got over it...his whole life. He suffered from post war syndrome...he would flip out and think he was back there.
Hey RK, Sorry to hear that. 
I'm glad you didn't see the Fox editorial I watched yesterday saying that the war in Iraq is less dangerous for soldiers than being a fisherman. Aparrently, more fisherman die per 1,000 deaths than do soldiers in Iraq. But, I've never heard of a fisherman getting post fishing syndrome.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Catalysis]
#6044033 - 09/09/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: I think liberals masterminded 9/11 so they could say it was a right-wing conspiracy. You have the motive, what else do you need? BTW, I was a janitor at the CIA for 32 years so I know.
I was a patent examiner for the USPTO so I know its the liberals' fault, too.
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Edited by Redstorm (09/09/06 12:35 PM)
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: downlowfunk]
#6044870 - 09/09/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downlowfunk said: just a message to you.. watch Terror Storm, Watch Loose Change, Watch 9/11 the road to tyranny. check out http://www.infowars.com http://www.loosechange911.com. another reallly good one is.
http://www.pumpitout.com
I hope you know that those are all crap.
For an explanation of why they're crap, please check out: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html -The Popular Mechanics article that debunks the 9/11 conspiracies,
http://www.debunking911.com/ (I think the url says it all)
Also, just check the wikipedia site for Loose Change, where I quote: "The original release of Loose Change Second Edition had several factual inaccuracies which have been corrected in the recut Second Edition" (you can read this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28video%29#Factual_inaccuracies )
I glad they took the time to remove completely incorrect cacts for the re-cut version...
Once you take a look at actual scientific evidence (as opposed to grainy pictures supplemented with conjecture) it becomes fairly obvious that the 9/11 conspiracy theories are quite a pant-load
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
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While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows
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FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Can you be more specific about the point you are trying to get across?
I don't understand what you mean by putting those two quotes together...
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6046012 - 09/10/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Economist said: For an explanation of why they're crap, please check out: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html -The Popular Mechanics article that debunks the 9/11 conspiracies,
Anyone who's done a slightest job of personal investigation would know that this article is a joke. First of all, it presents straw man arguments, it debunks a few theories that have already been debunked by 9/11 truth activists, and it gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the heart of the challenges to the official story.
And second, The article gives no hint of the put options on the targeted airlines, warnings received by government and corporate officials, complicit behavior by top officials, obstruction of justice by a much larger group, or obvious frauds in the official story.
Take a look at this for a more comprehensive analyze of this article showing its far from being conclusive. Popular Mechanic's deceptive smear against 9/11 truth
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I'm glad they took the time to remove completely incorrect cacts for the re-cut version...
Me too, but alot of what they didn't remove remain valid points, with questions that NEED to be answered. There needs to be an INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
totally random fact: CIA met with Osama in July 2001 in Dubai at a hospital...
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: exclusive58]
#6046032 - 09/10/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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usa= brain washed...tv -gadgets....its all to get a mouse moving so he doesn't think about excaping.
more and more i think about it....iran,iraq....were teh good guys. When you see there face in the paper...they are trying to hint to us i think in some ways. Like them missles that went off on july 4th....but failed...i think they failed on purpose......purhaps to say soon they won't fail and they will have to hit somewhere unless you guys wake up and fight.
there's alot of laws out there....good guys, and bad guys.....but when a country has so much power....so much control...it doesn't matter if there good or bad because sooner or later it will be bad...eventually pure evil.....we need to be keeping each other in check and that hasn't been happening....we have been slapping everyone around over and over....2 much power.
people HATE us, because they are sitting on dirt without the gadgets to keep them moving in the "daily" routines....they see the truth of things.
there's 2 much power and 2 much control....and bam now look all our freedoms whipped away because of "terrorists" i think they have been around forever...nothing has changed....except a building fell down...now they say taking freedoms away is gunna stop them next time?? THEY DIDN"T EVEN TRY TO STOP THEM THE FIRST TIME....the problem wasn't us having 2 much freedom....the problem was THEY HAD 2 MUCH FREEDOM FUCKING AROUND ON THE JOB.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: makaveli8x8]
#6046060 - 09/10/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: usa= brain washed...tv -gadgets....its all to get a mouse moving so he doesn't think about excaping.
more and more i think about it....iran,iraq....were teh good guys. When you see there face in the paper...they are trying to hint to us i think in some ways. Like them missles that went off on july 4th....but failed...i think they failed on purpose......purhaps to say soon they won't fail and they will have to hit somewhere unless you guys wake up and fight.
This is the random weird conspiracy shit that makes the 9/11 truth movement look like this unorganised crazy group who will follow each and every weird theory another member can find.
No, they have one set path of beliefs, and that is the government allowed and quite probably aided in the 9/11 disaster for various reasons, such as a reason for war (to invest and gain finanacially) and a reason to grab power, such as normally unacceptable, unamerican policy such as kidnapping anyone without notifying anyone, allowing torture (even on those that have now been proven innocent) and warrantless domestic spying (which we can only take there word that they're using it for what we know as terrorists, and based on there track record, I would say it's not to crazy to think they'd lie about something)
Theres a lot more motive, a ton, there was a shitload of money flying around the whole thing, lining the pockets of the rich families that are and associate with the Bush Administration.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: beatnicknick]
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which rich families pockets were lined here in australia?
why did they murder aussies in bali? didnt like the tourist dollar or we were'nt giving them enough aid or because we just happen to be another free country thats an ally of the US or because we are supposed christian sickle holders and they are muslim murderers? you can choose all of the above 
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
#6046070 - 09/10/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ApJunkie said: you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself

ya, what a bunch of idiots.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: kotik]
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God.....how many threads on this????????.....will it ever end? Probably not....this is the new JFK pipedreams of plots.............
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SirTripAlot]
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how many times has a post been made regarding the 28-year career cia official said that 9/11 was an inside job? this is the only thread im aware of.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: kotik]
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The fucking guy has been retired for 27 years, he knows nothing. There's also this from sourcewatch
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"Christison joined the CIA in 1950 and has served the CIA for over 28 years working in the analytical side of the Agency. He was a former analyst on Soviet affairs early in his career, and later served in both Germany and Vietnam. In the 1960s, he worked on the global nuclear proliferation problem, with particular emphasis on France, Israel, India, and Pakistan. In the 1970s, he served as a National Intelligence Officer and as a principal advisor to the director of Central Intelligence for Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Africa. In his final position, he was the director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, an office overseeing 200 persons with experts on all nations, regions, and global problems of the world. In this position he developed an abiding interest in global and supranational problems. He retired in 1979. For the last decade, Christison has focused his research on the root causes of terrorism and the U.S. drive for global political and economic hegemony."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=William_Christison
Just another blowhole trying to cloak himself in an aura of authority he has no right to. Who gives a shit?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: zappaisgod]
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served the CIA for over 28 years... former analyst on Soviet affairs... served in both Germany and Vietnam... worked on the global nuclear proliferation problem... emphasis on France, Israel, India, and Pakistan... served as a National Intelligence Officer and as a principal advisor to the director of Central Intelligence for Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Africa. In his final position, he was the director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, an office overseeing 200 persons with experts on all nations, regions, and global problems of the world.
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zappaisgod said: he knows nothing.
... thanks for steering us clear, we would be lost without your political insight, and character approval.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: kotik]
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served the CIA for over 28 years... former analyst on Soviet affairs... served in both Germany and Vietnam... worked on the global nuclear proliferation problem... emphasis on France, Israel, India, and Pakistan... served as a National Intelligence Officer and as a principal advisor to the director of Central Intelligence for Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Africa. In his final position, he was the director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, an office overseeing 200 persons with experts on all nations, regions, and global problems of the world.
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zappaisgod said: he knows nothing.
... thanks for steering us clear, we would be lost without your political insight, and character approval.
Nice job altering my quote to remove information you don't like. Are you applying for a job with Dan Rather? Thanks for exposing yourself as a mendacious editor of other people's writings in such a clear and concise fashion. It might otherwise have taken some effort on my part to expose your dishonesty. This way I can go watch the football game content, knowing that you have been nullified by your own hand.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: zappaisgod]
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served the CIA for over 28 years... former analyst on Soviet affairs... served in both Germany and Vietnam... worked on the global nuclear proliferation problem... emphasis on France, Israel, India, and Pakistan... served as a National Intelligence Officer and as a principal advisor to the director of Central Intelligence for Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Africa. In his final position, he was the director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, an office overseeing 200 persons with experts on all nations, regions, and global problems of the world.
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zappaisgod said: he knows nothing.
... thanks for steering us clear, we would be lost without your political insight, and character approval.
Nice job altering my quote to remove information you don't like. Are you applying for a job with Dan Rather? Thanks for exposing yourself as a mendacious editor of other people's writings in such a clear and concise fashion. It might otherwise have taken some effort on my part to expose your dishonesty. This way I can go watch the football game content, knowing that you have been nullified by your own hand.
Yea, I've been having the same problems man. People disregarding whole posts and taking text out of context.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: kotik]
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quiver said: our system,freedom,equality and way of life is what they hate regardless of who governs us
You can have many opinions on this issue, but this is one opinion I must heatedly contest.
THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE BOMB THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's that simple. But now the question is, who bombed us? It's funny that they did something so super sophisticated and close to impossible to pull off as 9/11..... yet there are millions of arabs in America and since then, even in the aftermath, even those politically against us have not done a single thing.
You would think if they hated us so much they would have started rioting immediately after the towers fell, blowing up things and shooting random people. Do you realize how much more damage that would do than 9/11 ever would have? 9/11 is purely psychological and has nothing in particular to do with trying to kill Americans, aside from the ones that unfrotunately died.
Now you can spin however you want, who can ever be right..... I'm just thinking, if they "hate us for our freedom" why are they moving here at any chance they get so they can be "free" and why do the many "splinter cells" sit on their asses when they could start anarchy by just running around with guns and turning America into a modern day Israel.
The only people taking our freedom away, our equality away, is the US government. Now, do radical Islamic extremists dislike equality? Damn right they do. If you are looking to point a finger at an entity that is DELIBERATELY quaffing equality through terror..... you are looking in the wrong place.
also many good old redneck boys hate equality just as much, and can harbor just as much fascism in their hearts as any middle easterner. anti-black racism is still running rampant in the shadows and sometimes permeating through into law enforcement in various rural communities..... there is plenty of anti-gay hatred, and becuase of 9/11 a good deal of anti-intellectualism.
Sheep are sheep. There are many Americans who, if America were in "anarchy" or in a state of turmoil, would probably become "extremists" and I don't mean the left winged, I mean the right wingers freaking out and attacking arabs and all sorts of things....... its just that the thing is we have to look at extremes
The mid east is sooo much more violent than here. So the "extremists" have a chance to be violent, whereas our extremists don't.
But please, terrorism is a reaction TO fascism! Just look at the nations where there are so many "terrorists" ....... very cruel oppressive places, with much more violence than America has. They exist because of fascism. Can we really rectify this by creating anarchy and civil war in Iraq, and more totalitarianism in America itself!!!!
we just need to learn to chill out and be peaceful. police create hippies and hippies create police. The more one pulls the more one pushes and then you eventually have a mess.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: leery11]
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its mainly moderate muslims who emigrate/flee their homelands and of course the fanatics are going to want to get inside our countries to chase them down and disrupt our peaceful ways so i dont see how you cant see that that could be a planned conspiracy on their part
also if the peaceful muslims rioted after 911 as if that act was a call for all to start the jihad war they know they would be murdered by everyone/anyone through martial law,they arent that stupid
the taliban and fanatics want to keep their people oppressed because they are making money and making sure they stay in power by ruling with an iron fist
our governments are sort of the same with the bs laws to oppress us but ofcourse we have rights and laws to stop that or at least try and terrorism is a last resort by any oppressed people but this is the thing....if my government was opressing me to the point of despair i wouldnt go to the country thats trying to help us and blow up their innocents to make the headlines for the cause,i'd terrorize the politicians who terrorized me
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: leery11]
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quiver said: our system,freedom,equality and way of life is what they hate regardless of who governs us
You can have many opinions on this issue, but this is one opinion I must heatedly contest.
THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE BOMB THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's that simple. But now the question is, who bombed us? It's funny that they did something so super sophisticated and close to impossible to pull off as 9/11..... yet there are millions of arabs in America and since then, even in the aftermath, even those politically against us have not done a single thing.
You would think if they hated us so much they would have started rioting immediately after the towers fell, blowing up things and shooting random people. Do you realize how much more damage that would do than 9/11 ever would have? 9/11 is purely psychological and has nothing in particular to do with trying to kill Americans, aside from the ones that unfrotunately died.
Now you can spin however you want, who can ever be right..... I'm just thinking, if they "hate us for our freedom" why are they moving here at any chance they get so they can be "free" and why do the many "splinter cells" sit on their asses when they could start anarchy by just running around with guns and turning America into a modern day Israel.
The only people taking our freedom away, our equality away, is the US government. Now, do radical Islamic extremists dislike equality? Damn right they do. If you are looking to point a finger at an entity that is DELIBERATELY quaffing equality through terror..... you are looking in the wrong place.
also many good old redneck boys hate equality just as much, and can harbor just as much fascism in their hearts as any middle easterner. anti-black racism is still running rampant in the shadows and sometimes permeating through into law enforcement in various rural communities..... there is plenty of anti-gay hatred, and becuase of 9/11 a good deal of anti-intellectualism.
Sheep are sheep. There are many Americans who, if America were in "anarchy" or in a state of turmoil, would probably become "extremists" and I don't mean the left winged, I mean the right wingers freaking out and attacking arabs and all sorts of things....... its just that the thing is we have to look at extremes
The mid east is sooo much more violent than here. So the "extremists" have a chance to be violent, whereas our extremists don't.
But please, terrorism is a reaction TO fascism! Just look at the nations where there are so many "terrorists" ....... very cruel oppressive places, with much more violence than America has. They exist because of fascism. Can we really rectify this by creating anarchy and civil war in Iraq, and more totalitarianism in America itself!!!!
we just need to learn to chill out and be peaceful. police create hippies and hippies create police. The more one pulls the more one pushes and then you eventually have a mess.
Very nice. I was just about to make the point that I'm more afraid of my own "control freak" government than some fanatic hiding in the hills of Afghanistan. It's obvious the right allowed 9/11 to happen. It justified and swept through everything they set out to do. Anyone who can't stomach that is either batting for the right-wing or has their head so far up their arse they'll never see the light... usually both!
And as far as all the conspiracy theroies go... well most of them are ludicrous at best... like I said, the only hand our governmnet played in the disaster was allowing it to happen.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: 76degrees]
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Yep, and unfortunatley those that know what's going on but are battling for the right are the heads of the richest and most powerful corporations in America.
They, of course, need Bush for profit.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: beatnicknick]
#6049114 - 09/11/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Last time I checked, I have not seen the United States Government, saw someones head off with a dull blade, videotape it, and post it on the internet.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Your comment does not even relate to the discussion at hand. Last time I checked Iraq never tried invading America on the claim we have nuclear weapons (which we do) and the once it won changed its story to "Oh we want the Americans to be free" meanwhile they have blown vast parts of your country up and created a civil war in America.
Ther, my comment is just as valid as yours.
I gather you haven't actually read any of these posts- you saw "28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job" and you mindlessly without any kind of reasoning or research defend the government by accusing the enemy of being "more evil".
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said: Last time I checked, I have not seen the United States Government, saw someones head off with a dull blade, videotape it, and post it on the internet.
these guys expect us to accept that headlopping is ok if youre only doing it to westerners,they never cry foul when they see that shit live but oh my oh my how they are all angry far left warriors(sorry for the contradiction) and experts on what the 'evil' right has done but ofcourse they dont believe conspiracy theories unless ofcourse it fits their bullshit theories..go figure
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6049486 - 09/11/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downlowfunk said: just a message to you.. watch Terror Storm, Watch Loose Change, Watch 9/11 the road to tyranny. check out http://www.infowars.com http://www.loosechange911.com. another reallly good one is.
http://www.pumpitout.com
I hope you know that those are all crap.
For an explanation of why they're crap, please check out: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html -The Popular Mechanics article that debunks the 9/11 conspiracies,
http://www.debunking911.com/ (I think the url says it all)
Also, just check the wikipedia site for Loose Change, where I quote: "The original release of Loose Change Second Edition had several factual inaccuracies which have been corrected in the recut Second Edition" (you can read this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28video%29#Factual_inaccuracies )
I glad they took the time to remove completely incorrect cacts for the re-cut version...
Once you take a look at actual scientific evidence (as opposed to grainy pictures supplemented with conjecture) it becomes fairly obvious that the 9/11 conspiracy theories are quite a pant-load
can you explain how WTC7 came down?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: ApJunkie]
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ApJunkie said: I never said it wasn't
I was just saying you're an idiot for believing that the government would want to bomb itself
We did it with Cuba.
We did it with Pearl Harbor.
Trust me. I can definitly understand how many people dont beleive these possibilities, BUT it has happened in the past, and when all tthe right information is presented, it then becomes VERY likely to be true.
If some info comes your way that makes you change your mind, cool - we will agree with similar theories. If not though, your 100% free to have your opinions as well. In the end, the truth is the truth, and no one really knows.
But i for one, think that the US iss very capable of bombing itself.
it all comes down to $$$$$$$$$$.
we the people think we are special. We arent. The higher powers use us as pawns.
Just my 2 cents. But for the record, eveyrone is free to think as they want. And i respect your opinions whether i agree or not.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Vvellum]
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: GSxx83]
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We did it with Pearl Harbor.
Trust me.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: exclusive58]
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Anyone who's done a slightest job of personal investigation would know that this article is a joke. First of all, it presents straw man arguments, it debunks a few theories that have already been debunked by 9/11 truth activists, and it gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the heart of the challenges to the official story.
And second, The article gives no hint of the put options on the targeted airlines, warnings received by government and corporate officials, complicit behavior by top officials, obstruction of justice by a much larger group, or obvious frauds in the official story.
Take a look at this for a more comprehensive analyze of this article showing its far from being conclusive. Popular Mechanic's deceptive smear against 9/11 truth
Are you kidding me?
The major complaints against Popular Mechanics fall into 2 categories: 1) Not all conspiracy theories were considered
This is a RIDICULOUS avenue of attack. Furthermore, your own support of the remaining "valid claims" in "Loose Change" suggests hypocricy if you buy into this attack. It's okay for "Loose Change" to miss some points, but if the Popular Mechanics article failed to consider something, well, then let's throw the whole thing out!
Clearly the real straw-man here is this attack on the Popular Mechanics article
2) Popular Mechanics misrepresented the the "major claims" of the conspiracy theorists
This is an equally ridiculous claim because it implies that the 9/11 conspiracy movement is somehow unified enough to have put forward differentiably "stronger" points or "mainstream" claims.
The fact of the matter is this is not true. Even if this own thread there are conspiracy theorists telling each other that they detract from the "cause" with their "ludicrous" views or theories.
This just goes further to prove that there is no unified belief among 9/11 conspiracy theorists and that this avenue of attack on the Popular Mechanics article is as ridiculous as the first avenue of attack was.
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Me too, but alot of what they didn't remove remain valid points, with questions that NEED to be answered. There needs to be an INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
What "valid points" like the ridiculous Put-Option claims?
It's been proven time and again that the put options were part of an investment hedging strategy executed by an American-based investment paper, a strategy that was complete with PURCHASES of the very stock they were buying options for. This ultimately has NOTHING to do with 9/11, and yet it keeps coming up again and again.
Even if you fail to believe this explanation because one of it's sources is the official investigation, the trades themselves are on record and easily verifiable. The fact of the matter is that the put-option buys have been explained to death and yet conspiracy nuts refuse to believe this...
Why?
Could it be because the conspiracy nuts are just that: NUTS?
People who will not listen to reason, no matter where it comes from. All the investigations in the world can take place, and nothing will ever come of it.
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The Hearst-owned Popular Mechanics magazine takes aim at the 9/11 Truth Movement (without ever acknowledging it by that name) with a cover story in its March 2005 edition.
The opening to the anti-Popular Mechanics "article".
What does it matter who owns Popular Mechanics? Are we now suggesting that all of Heart Publications are complicit? Why was that detail even included, except, of course, to call up memories of past conspiracies involving the US Government and Hearst-holdings?
That's how these people operate, they combine random unrelated information with ill-thought out conjecture, and there is nothing that will ever satisfy them...
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: can you explain how WTC7 came down?
Sure, it was in the Popular Mechanics article, the importan part being:
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Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
Of course the conspiracy theorists attack this largely because they say the NIST report uses "guarded language" so OBVIOUSLY it's bull.
Right.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6052382 - 09/12/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck popular mechanics... havent you seen the video of the owner of WTC7 saying on camera, he had the building pulled? This does not need a conspiracy theory, or any other theory to explain... its put in plain english.
http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6052900 - 09/12/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok thanks. now, can you point me to any other example of a similiar size building collapsing due to fire? surely, WTC7 is not the only building in the entire history of civilization to do this.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Vvellum]
#6053121 - 09/12/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: ok thanks. now, can you point me to any other example of a similiar size building collapsing due to fire? surely, WTC7 is not the only building in the entire history of civilization to do this.
This is a common conspiracy theorist tactic: pointing to evidence that does not exist.
You want to suggest that the WTC7 collapse was somehow "different" from other building collapses: you prove it.
Show me evidence of other buildings of similar size and construction that have *not* collapsed after sustaining the kind of damage that WTC7 did. Damage matching Fire Captail Boyle's description (available here: http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html ), which means a hole 20-stories tall in at least one side of the building, with fire having caught on "about a third" of the exposed floors.
Show me other buildings that have sustained this degree of damage and *not* collapsed.
Go ahead, you act like the proof is out there, so find it.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6053664 - 09/12/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I find the collapse of WTC7 odd. I have seen footage of buildings on fire collapse and buildings with extensive structural damage collapse, but never in on itself in such a uniformly clean and timely manner.
here are other examples of fires just as great (if not greater) than the fire that supposedly collapsed WTC7 in such a spectacular way. None of these buildings collapsed like WTC7 did.
Am I correct in assuming you cannot find one example of a building collapsing due to fire in the same fashion as the WTC7?
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Vvellum]
#6053774 - 09/12/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: I find the collapse of WTC7 odd. I have seen footage of buildings on fire collapse and buildings with extensive structural damage collapse, but never in on itself in such a uniformly clean and timely manner.
here are other examples of fires just as great (if not greater) than the fire that supposedly collapsed WTC7 in such a spectacular way. None of these buildings collapsed like WTC7 did.
So, what you're saying is, there are videos of different buildings, with different structural make-ups, and of different sizes than WTC7 that collapsed in different was? And those videos are also of buildings that didn't have 20-story tall gashes carved in their sides prior to catching fire, you know, like what happened to WTC7?
Boy, I guess that proves everything.
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Am I correct in assuming you cannot find one example of a building collapsing due to fire in the same fashion as the WTC7?
And now we reach the inherent hypocrisy of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts.
On the one hand you point to irrelevent evidence in support of the conspiracy (i.e. fires in buildings of differing structural composistion and size), on the other hand, I know you're not going to like the evidence I have, and you'll probably claim it's irrelevent, but I'll show it to you anyway and let you decide whether you want to be a hypocrite or not.
First: The collapse WAS NOT "neat and timely". Looking at photos you can clearly see that the building listed to the south-east and collapsed in that direction. This is especially apparent in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4h from-last photos at the bottom of this page: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
Second: As pointed out above, none of the so-called "relevant" building fires are actually relevant. None of them began with a disaster causing a 20-story hole in the base of the building, and the associated initial structural damage. Furthermore, many of them (as pointed out above) are of considerably different design and size when compared with WTC 7.
Third: I believe that the evidence of steel-framed building collapse is already out there. I know that those who have taken time to debunk the conspiracy theories have pointed out collapses in McCormick Place and Pennsylvania's Sight and Sound Theatre.
Now, here's where the character lies: If the reply to this is that the collapse of McCormick Place and the Sight and Sound Theatre are irrelevent, well that's hypocrisy because the evidence provided of a "non-neat-and-timely" collapse is every bit as irrelevent.
The only proper rebuttal would be to show evidence of a building that had recieved significant initial structural damage (why that 20-story hole keeps being ignored, I don't know) had a major fire that burned for at least 6 hours across at least 6 floors (using the rougly 1/3 of the 20 exposed floors were on fire estimate provided by the fire captain) and was of roughly the same size and construction type as WTC 7.
I'm betting this can't be shown, and I've yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Economist]
#6054479 - 09/12/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Get it yet folks? None of those other buildings had 18 stories worth of corner knocked out of them. Go ahead and concoct your alternate scenarios but when your critical thinking is so non-existant that you insist on comparing multiple building that suffered only fire, to a building that suffered massive structural damage, followed by fire, you make a farce of this whole issue.
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Viveka]
#6054496 - 09/12/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I see smoke and the top of another building obstructing the view of that corner of WTC 7. It is pretty tough to determine by that photo whether or not the support columns are significantly compromised.
Edited by Clean (09/12/06 06:18 PM)
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Re: 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Clean]
#6056758 - 09/13/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's not the point. The point is that it is completely invalid, and demonstrates a complete failure to think critically, to compare buildings that suffered fires, to a building that suffered 18 floors of strucutral damage and fire. And it is this same lack of critical thinking that causes people to entertain delusions instead of seeking to understand reality.
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