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Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami
#6035264 - 09/06/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami
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-------------------------------- Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami Free Iran Project ^ | 03 September, 2006 | By: Amil Imani
Posted on 09/04/2006 10:06:04 PM PDT by Salem
Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami
By: Amil Imani
Great news! Great news! The deadly confrontation between the U.S. and the Islamic Republic of Iran is about to become history. The dove of peace is here in the person of the Smiling Mullah Khatami. Just look at his serene face with and ever-present reassuring smile. It makes you forget all your troubles, doesn’t it?
If by looking at him you are not comforted, it may be the way he is dressed that seems alien—the turban, the cloak and all. Fine. Then let us listen to what he preaches. After all he is a man of the cloth and preaching is his line.
As the past president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, he is fully privy to what goes on in that land, what his co-turbaned colleagues are up to, and what they want from the world. Ever since he ascended to the presidency of the Islamic Republic of Iran, he has portrayed himself as an advocate of moderation, upholder of the rule of law and promoter of the “Dialogue of Civilizations.” For eight years, the long-suffering people of Iran and the world held their breath to see what he would do about the ideals he professed. Unfortunately, the Smiling Mullah turned out to be a genuine mullah—fake to his bones. More importantly, he is a genocidal criminal who should be tried in a court of law, rather than being received as a high-ranking dignitary. Here is a partial indictment.
During the Smiling Mullah’s Presidency, the rule of law was flaunted blatantly from day one.
1. Thousands of dissident students, intellectuals and journalists were systematically arrested, imprisoned and tortured for the sole crime of speaking up against the repressive rule of the mullahs. Many are still languishing in prisons, some have died, and some have simply vanished with no records of what happened to them.
2. During this turbaned fascist’s watch, many students’ lives were extinguished for daring to express their opposition to the stone-age regime. Shamelessly, during the 9 July of 1999 students demonstration, for instance, this man called the Tehran university students “A bunch of hooligans,” while his storm-trooper hooligans, with police support, brutally attacked students in their dormitories throwing some students out of the windows of the dorm’s third floor. Now, he is welcomed at Harvard University to lecture its “hooligans” and faculty on practicing tolerance.
3. Arrested dissidents were denied the due process of law. Those who were granted perfunctory hearings before receiving the guilty verdict were not allowed legal counsel. The few who were granted legal counsel saw even their attorneys imprisoned for defending them.
4. Prisoners of conscience were routinely tortured to extract confessions about the crimes they did not commit. Some of the victims were permanently incapacitated while others died under the brutal torture.
5. No human rights organizations were allowed to inspect the prisons.
6. Women prisoners were often subjected to even greater indignities than men by being raped before being executed, under the cover of marriage. A prison mullah performed the forced marriage ceremony to make it conform to the Islamic ethos.
7. Stealth work on the nuclear program, in clear violation of the non-proliferation treaty to which the IRI is a signatory, proceeded ahead at full speed and with generous funding.
8. Persecution of religious minorities continued apace. Most notably, his government targeted Iran’s Baha’is—Iran’s largest religious minority—recognized universally as peaceful and law-abiding people. Baha’is, solely for their belief, were fired from their jobs, with many forced to pay back the salaries they had received for years of service. Youth were coerced to convert to Islam in order to continue their education beyond high school. Properties and businesses were confiscated, elected officers of the Baha’i communities imprisoned and some executed, their holy places, even their cemeteries were leveled; and, much, much more.
9. Support for terrorism constituted a high priority. It extended not only to the neighboring countries, but as far away as Latin America. Hezbollah in Lebanon was nurtured with funds, weapons and training. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad were assisted in numerous ways, and a professional army of Shiite Iraqis was trained and armed to be used in the present Iraqi theatre. Separately, Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia thugs—the Mahdi Army—is directly funded, armed and controlled by the present Islamic regime, a gift of the Smiling Mullah to his successor—the rabid Mahmood Ahmadinejad.
10. In his devious attempt to lull the world into a false sense of security, the Smiling Mullah floated the notion of “Dialogue of Civilization,” to appear as a man of reason who is willing to reconcile the differences between and among various civilizations through dialogue. This clever ploy was exposed as nothing more than an Islamofascist propaganda tool. In actuality, his side’s dialogue proved to be a diatribe against civilization.
The Smiling Mullah is no less a criminal than other Islamofascists such as his own predecessor, Akbar Refsanjani, Zarqawi, and Osama bin Laden.
Many analysts are rightfully concerned about the danger of Islamic sleeper cells in the United States. They fear that these sleeper cells can be activated at any moment upon receiving orders from their controllers in Iran and Lebanon. Yet, the fact is that the Islamofascists’ greatest assets are the legions of American “Useful Idiots” already actively tearing at the very fabric of our society.
Many universities in the U.S. are bastions and incubators of Useful Idiots. Far left professors do more than teach their subjects of specialty. They feel that they have license to pontificate on any and all matters. That is why they are called “professors.” These self-appointed prima donnas cover themselves with the shield of academic freedom. Academic freedom is like liberty—it can be abused and is abused greatly. That is the price of freedom. Yet, these abusers of freedom, the far left Useful Idiots, will be among the first to be buried under the rubble of the free society’s collapse they work so doggedly to bring about.
The mullahs don’t have to even allocate the money from a single barrel of oil to have these Useful Idiots work around the clock to implode this country from within. They read the papers, they watch the television reporters and they are just happy to bide their time for the New Rome to collapse on itself. If the implosion does not happen, that’s no problem. They will continue on with their work to acquire the nuclear weapons and make it happen. Is this being alarmist or paranoid? Not at all. Besides, one good thing about the being paranoid that the Useful Idiot cannot claim: The paranoid is a survivor. And, we know the mullahs up-close and just too well. Some of our very own brothers, sisters, parents, children and friends have been murdered brutally and without the least mercy by these modern day soldiers of Allah. They are the most vicious fascist killers and we do not—I repeat, we do not—intend to go down passively as their next victims.
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Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He maintains a website at http://amilimani.com/index/
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Luddite]
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That's a fucked up read.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Luddite]
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"Muslims themselves are the ones who are most victimized by Islam. They have inherited this viral psychological disease of hate and violence; they live by it, and transmit it to their children as well as to receptive others." -- Amil Imani
"Muslims are taught deception and lying in the Quran itself." -- Amil Imani
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Isn't lying allowed in Islam as long as it helps Islam?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6039042 - 09/07/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where did you come up with that?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said: "Muslims themselves are the ones who are most victimized by Islam. They have inherited this viral psychological disease of hate and violence; they live by it, and transmit it to their children as well as to receptive others." -- Amil Imani
Which Muslims would these be? Shi'ite, Ibadi, Sufi, Naqshbandi, Hanbali, Ijtihadi, Ahmadi, or the version Dave Chapelle adheres to? Seriously, most people who use the word "Muslims" in a broad descriptive sense do not know the first thing about Islam or its immensity.
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"Muslims are taught deception and lying in the Quran itself." -- Amil Imani
I'd like to see the ayat.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: Isn't lying allowed in Islam as long as it helps Islam?
You should know, you've claimed to have read the Qur'an before.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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So I can memorize the whole Quran by reading it once?
"Kithman is a command to deliberately conceal one’s beliefs. It is a particular form of lying primarily practiced by the minority Shia’ Muslims. This doctrine is articulated by Imam Jafar Sadiq, the sixth Imam of Shia’ Islam:"
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch16_understanding_dishonesty.htm
But then again there also passages that say lying is a sin. So it's the same bullshit as the Bible, always contridicting itself.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6039793 - 09/07/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So where are the Qur'anic verses that say lying is OK?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: So where are the Qur'anic verses that say lying is OK?
It is a fallacy to think that the religion and its beliefs are only evident in the words of its book. The religion is the practice itself, and the practice itself could have nothing to do with the words in their book.
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The religion is the mythos, not the maltitudes who are unable to grok it.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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I just gave you a link... Did you even go to it?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Luddite]
#6041138 - 09/08/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What will they say of George W Bush in 20 years, when he visits the middle east? Probably the same praises you've giving Khatami!
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6042412 - 09/08/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DECEIT, THY NAME IS ISLAMISM
By Beth Goodtree Isralert.com source: Isralert subscriber/commentator Beth Goodtree
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
http://www.isralert.com/archives/2005/03/deceit_thy_name.php
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: I just gave you a link... Did you even go to it?
Yes, I did, and I saw no Qur'anic ayats that say lying and conjugating falsehood are permitted. So, once again I ask you, please locate such verses.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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downforpot said: I just gave you a link... Did you even go to it?
Yes, I did, and I saw no Qur'anic ayats that say lying and conjugating falsehood are permitted. So, once again I ask you, please locate such verses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Taqiyya
The whole idea is about concealing one's faith but it can also be used to conceal other things.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Hahahaha.. Taqiyya simply allows Shi'ite Muslims to conceal their religion if they are faced with intense persecution because of it. It has saved untold numbers of lives in Iraq since 2003. Is this all you can find in the past two days?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6045618 - 09/10/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i remember in the early 70's here we used to greet other kids with 'whats your religion'? and throw the peace sign for chargers(valiant cars) the only answer we ever got back was either catholic or protestant, oh how times and everything else has changed for the worse
freedom ended and new laws began ever since
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: Hahahaha.. Taqiyya simply allows Shi'ite Muslims to conceal their religion if they are faced with intense persecution because of it. It has saved untold numbers of lives in Iraq since 2003. Is this all you can find in the past two days?
Good job not reading my whole post. Muslims can use the same idea to conceal various things which will help their faith. And such things include building nukes to give Shias more power.
And no, I only spent 5 minutes looking for that. And I just spent 3 hours doing genetics homework, so yea, no time to be on this board 24/7 like you.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Luddite]
#6045759 - 09/10/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luddite said: DECEIT, THY NAME IS ISLAMISM
By Beth Goodtree Isralert.com source: Isralert subscriber/commentator Beth Goodtree
and i read enough of this post, NICE SOURCE http://www.isralert.com/archives/2005/03/deceit_thy_name.php
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
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Yea, it is nice source. There are plenty of other sources which say the same exact shit. Just google...
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Basilides said: Hahahaha.. Taqiyya simply allows Shi'ite Muslims to conceal their religion if they are faced with intense persecution because of it. It has saved untold numbers of lives in Iraq since 2003. Is this all you can find in the past two days?
Good job not reading my whole post. Muslims can use the same idea to conceal various things which will help their faith. And such things include building nukes to give Shias more power.
And no, I only spent 5 minutes looking for that. And I just spent 3 hours doing genetics homework, so yea, no time to be on this board 24/7 like you.
I will ask you for the uptenth time, Mr "I've read the Qur'an" - where are the verses that support your ridiculous claim. All I'm seeing is moonbattery on your part.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides, the Koran is not the only Muslim text. Your demand for a specific Koran passage is a distraction and irrelevant. A similar example is found in Judaism where there is the Torah and the Talmud.
And as for Mr. Khatami's welcome, well he got one in NY
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Families Of Kidnapped Persian Jews Sue Khatami In US Court Saturday September 9, 2:47 pm ET Law suit alleges visiting Iranian implemented anti-Semitic policy of torture and imprisonment......
Since the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979, millions of Iranian citizens have sought to escape from the Islamic regime. In normal circumstances when Muslim citizens are arrested attempting to leave without official permission, the established punishment is a small fine or a short jail term. However, in the instances where Jewish citizens have been similarly arrested, the Islamic government has instituted much harsher penalties. The Plaintiffs allege that Khatami has singled out the Jewish community and authorized the policy of secretly imprisoning the Jews indefinitely.
Over the years, the Jewish families have received reports from other former prisoners and guards that the missing Jews are alive and being held in different prisons. In the case of the Tehrani family of Los Angeles, a former Muslim neighbor has sworn out an affidavit testifying that he has seen their missing son, Babak Tehrani, in a Tehran prison two years after his disappearance.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060909/nysa018.html?.v=24
Welcome indeed, you camel fucking scumbag.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
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There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.
Considering the fact that Muslims follow those tenets they are Islamic sources.... You do understand that certain verses can be further explained and added to by Islamic scholars, imams, etc.
And I do remember reading the verse where a Muslim can conceal their faith when needed and also eat pork and other non "kosher" foods when needed. These verses were basically expanded by Muslims to incorporate other situations.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Basilides said: There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.
Considering the fact that Muslims follow those tenets they are Islamic sources.... You do understand that certain verses can be further explained and added to by Islamic scholars, imams, etc.
And I do remember reading the verse where a Muslim can conceal their faith when needed and also eat pork and other non "kosher" foods when needed. These verses were basically expanded by Muslims to incorporate other situations.
Again, where are the verses. Where are the Hadithic narrations. Where do you, if ever, back up your wild claims with factual foundation.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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I gave you websites in this thread but you seem to miss them on purpose and then keep asking the same question to piss people off.
"The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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I've visited all your links and have seen nothing pertaining to your usual unsubstantiated claims about anything and everything. Again, post the verses and/or hadithic narrations, right here for everyone to see. Is that so hard? Why is that a difficult instruction for you to follow?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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I edited my previous post. The previous links that I posted also gave interpetations but you ignored them on purpose.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said: If you want to understand the present, you must first understand the past. This is true universally, and that includes U.S.-Iranian realtions.
I don't believe anyone here has come out in support of the existing Iranian regime, and I'm pretty soon no one here will. That is not the issue here (unless someone on this thread has come out in support of the authoriatarian mullahs... I must have missed it.)
U.S. involvement with Iran didn't just suddenly pop up with nuclear-armed (not yet, but the U.S. government and Fox News will tell you otherwise) "Islamo-fascists" threatened the good people of the U.S. and "freedom-lovers" everywhere. No, U.S. (and British) involvement in internal Iranian affairs goes back much further than this (as it does in Iraq also).
The U.S./British coup against the popular Mohammed Mossadegh in order to put their puppet, the Shah, in power to control the nation's oil resources is a place to begin research to better understand the present situation, and possible solutions that don't involve dropping countless tons of explosives on civilian populations (which profits U.S. corporations handsomely).
Actually a lot of people on here are against understanding the past. That is how a thread about Israel went to shit. I tried to give people a history lesson but they screamed that the history of the situation was irrelevant.
And yes, the West has caused a lot of the problems in the Middle East and we need to fix them ourselves.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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No, not at all. We need to to fix them ourselves and maintain our dominance. It worked with communism and it will work with the fundamentalists. However, the strategy under Bush is currently not working.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Yes, I know that it would be great if every1 was equal but the real world just doesn't like that. If we let the Islamists do anything they wanted then they would try to establish a new caliphate. Well, they are trying to do that but with little success.
The problem here is that equality, ideas similar to communism, just don't work in real life. I wish that it was peace 24/7, no murder, no rape, no pillaging, but it seems that the world will always have the bad mixed in with the good. We will always have murder, war, rape, etc. unless of course we somehow change.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Try making a new reply instead of editing an old post.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: Try making a new reply instead of editing an old post.
So it's okay if I double post?
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EntheogenicPeace said: Much of the unrest and instability in the world today is the product of most of the world's wealth in the hands of a very small minority. That is what needs to change for peace to be possible.
But that doesn't mean if USA stops doing it then every1 else will too. All that will do is give some1 else to become a superpower.
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EntheogenicPeace said: "If we let the Islamists do anything they wanted then they would try to establish a new caliphate."
This indicates that "America" (more accurately, the ruling oligarchy within) should do what it pleases to control other people and societies for its own economic benefit. Again, peace and justice cannot exist in the context of an unjust social order where a small few concentrated in one part of the world control society and the distribution of resources for a majority everywhere else in the world.
Again, you are talking about communism here, sharing of resources. This will not work. If USA stops controlling resources then some1 else will.
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EntheogenicPeace said: Further, if one wishes to combat Islamic fundamentalism, then the best way to do this is to stop perpetrating the actions the fuel it; namely; the occupation of Arab and Muslim lands by Western imperial powers. Let them decide their own fate and sort of their own internal affairs instead of exploiting them for profit (as Mossedegh in Iran adn Gen. Kassam were on their way to doing). Were the two popular leaders perfect? Of course not, but they were making progress in the fields of social and economic justice, which were so distorted during colonial rule. How might the world look if U.S. and British oil companies weren't so greedy and allowed the two to lead their respective countries free of foreign domination? I would speculate that the lives of those in Iran and Iraq would have fared much better than they have and presently do.
I don't think we should withdraw from Muslim lands. The Muslims conquered that whole region and shouldn't be bitching about people that are stationed on land that they conquered. Well, nm, let them bitch, they have a right to bitch but that doesn't make them right. And I kinda want America to be #1 so I am for taking stuff from other countries.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
What's your interpretation of this, DFP?
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" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
And this?
Because to me, example 1 simply indicates that it is OK for Muslims to pretend to be non-Muslims if they're about to get nailed to a stake for being a Muslim. The second example isn't even remotely related to any of your moonbattery, it's a verse explaining how Muslims can redeem themselves for committing haraam actions (sins).
Nowhere do I see anything pertaining to lying in the name of selfish persuit. Everyone who has been singled out unjustly has lied. European Jews in World War 2 went through huge lengths to cover up their identity. The Qur'an merely states that if you're gonna get killed for bowing to Mecca, then bow to Mecca where no one can see you. So what in the hell does this have to do with Ahmadinejad lying to the international community?
Get over your stupid obsession with Islam. First you're on the verge of converting, then you're railing how it's the most wicked thing in the world. Jesus Christ, get a new hobby.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
What's your interpretation of this, DFP?
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" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
And this?
Because to me, example 1 simply indicates that it is OK for Muslims to pretend to be non-Muslims if they're about to get nailed to a stake for being a Muslim. The second example isn't even remotely related to any of your moonbattery, it's a verse explaining how Muslims can redeem themselves for committing haraam actions (sins).
Nowhere do I see anything pertaining to lying in the name of selfish persuit. Everyone who has been singled out unjustly has lied. European Jews in World War 2 went through huge lengths to cover up their identity. The Qur'an merely states that if you're gonna get killed for bowing to Mecca, then bow to Mecca where no one can see you. So what in the hell does this have to do with Ahmadinejad lying to the international community?
Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.
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Basilides said: Get over your stupid obsession with Islam. First you're on the verge of converting, then you're railing how it's the most wicked thing in the world. Jesus Christ, get a new hobby.
Again, now you are attacking me like you did before. I asked you before "Is reading the Quran = converting to Islam?"
I am re-reading the Bible right now too. Next I will read the Book of Mormon. I also have some mythology books that I have read before and I will read them again. And I will prolly reread the Quran later again.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.
Who the hell is Aziz A. Tabbarah? 
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Again, now you are attacking me like you did before. I asked you before "Is reading the Quran = converting to Islam?"
I am re-reading the Bible right now too. Next I will read the Book of Mormon. I also have some mythology books that I have read before and I will read them again. And I will prolly reread the Quran later again.
You once remarked that if you were ever going to convert to a religion, it would be Islam. I LOL'd when I read that.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.
Who the hell is Aziz A. Tabbarah?
An Islamic scholar I think. I'll tell you more when the site is up again.
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Again, now you are attacking me like you did before. I asked you before "Is reading the Quran = converting to Islam?"
I am re-reading the Bible right now too. Next I will read the Book of Mormon. I also have some mythology books that I have read before and I will read them again. And I will prolly reread the Quran later again.
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I honestly don't remember saying that but I might have. Then again I am almost 21 now and have changed quite a bit. Now I just study religion as a hobby. Is there something wrong with studying religion and changing your opinion over time?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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An Islamic scholar I think. I'll tell you more when the site is up again.
Holy shit, he's an Islamic scholar? Really? Wow, I didn't know that. I won't dare to question the fucker.
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I honestly don't remember saying that but I might have. Then again I am almost 21 now and have changed quite a bit. Now I just study religion as a hobby. Is there something wrong with studying religion and changing your opinion over time?
I think it's bizarre how Islam went from being your favorite religion from a secular point of view, to your least favorite. That's all
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.
To this effect, Jerry Fallwell says: 'hopefully the majority of people who call themseleves christians, don't listen to poor sources on Christainity like me'
So, the Quran doesnt promote the act of lying, beyond to save your life, but some douches interpertation does (*cough* Pat Robertson)?
Poor religous leaders drag down religons. PERIOD. Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, Iman Al-Zarwahiri, blame the leaders, not the religon.
WTF am i saying, i cant belive im defending ANY religon.
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You're not defending religion, you're simply using your ability of logic and reason.
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An Islamic scholar I think. I'll tell you more when the site is up again.
Holy shit, he's an Islamic scholar? Really? Wow, I didn't know that. I won't dare to question the fucker.
Of course you can question but you have to realize that a lot of Muslims do follow everything a scholar says and the way he interprets the Quran.
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Basilides said: I think it's bizarre how Islam went from being your favorite religion from a secular point of view, to your least favorite. That's all
Actually Zahid made me hate Islam and that was his purpose too or at least that's what he said. That piece of shit was a troll who posted bullshit about Islam and then at the end said it was some sociology class experiment, lol. That is when I decided to do some research on Islam.
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Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""
I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.
To this effect, Jerry Fallwell says: 'hopefully the majority of people who call themseleves christians, don't listen to poor sources on Christainity like me'
So, the Quran doesnt promote the act of lying, beyond to save your life, but some douches interpertation does (*cough* Pat Robertson)?
Poor religous leaders drag down religons. PERIOD. Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, Iman Al-Zarwahiri, blame the leaders, not the religon.
WTF am i saying, i cant belive im defending ANY religon.
I completely agree with you man. We really should monitor what is being said in Mosques by the religious leaders and by the scholars. We also need to do something about Saudi Arabia which pumping out radical Muslims with our money.
We also should bring more Muslims into the US and assimilate them. There are actually Muslims that have to leave their home countries because of death threats. A lot of scholars that have different views on Islam are hated by the fundamentalists.
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Of course you can question but you have to realize that a lot of Muslims do follow everything a scholar says and the way he interprets the Quran.
Then why don't you question yourself - consider the very real probability that this douchebag doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. You seem to think that "Islamic scholars" are free from err, which is why you're refErring me to some douchebag that I've never heard of.
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Actually Zahid made me hate Islam and that was his purpose too or at least that's what he said. That piece of shit was a troll who posted bullshit about Islam and then at the end said it was some sociology class experiment, lol. That is when I decided to do some research on Islam.
LOL.. you really were about to convert, were you?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: Then why don't you question yourself - consider the very real probability that this douchebag doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. You seem to think that "Islamic scholars" are free from err, which is why you're refErring me to some douchebag that I've never heard of.
Yes, but it doesn't matter what I think. What I think won't change the fact that Muslims are believing that bullshit.
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Basilides said: LOL.. you really were about to convert, were you?
No
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047694 - 09/10/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You do realize who you're debating with, right?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047706 - 09/10/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, here's a lesson for you on religion. You can basically find a scholar to support virtually anything, from gay meth sex and drunken swingers parties to flying planes into buildings and pushing one's own mother down the stairs. Fortunately there's a common sense threshold among the majority of followers of any religion, which is why they mostly work 9-5 jobs, and on Fridays ask God for forgiveness because they refused to donate a dollar for cancer research at McDonald's or something. Radical Islamist scholars do not precede Islam. They are merely the clockwork grease of something engineered long ago by moral loners.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Redstorm]
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You do realize who you're debating with, right?
Wait, that's Zahid?
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Basilides said: Well, here's a lesson for you on religion. You can basically find a scholar to support virtually anything, from gay meth sex and drunken swingers parties to flying planes into buildings and pushing one's own mother down the stairs. Fortunately there's a common sense threshold among the majority of followers of any religion, which is why they mostly work 9-5 jobs, and on Fridays ask God for forgiveness because they refused to donate a dollar for cancer research at McDonald's or something. Radical Islamist scholars do not precede Islam. They are merely the clockwork grease of something engineered long ago by moral loners.
Yea, I already said all of that in previous posts in either this thread or another.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Redstorm]
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Dude, are you serious? That's Zahid? The same guy that was trolling and making up bullshit about Islam?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047741 - 09/10/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you actually went out and started studying Islam after all that
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6047750 - 09/10/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hate you.
Well, not exactly. I had to study religion in 9th grade. We had to study mythology and read the Bible and analyze it. And this wasn't a catholic school, this was a private college prep high school. So I kinda wanted to learn more about other religions since that class.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047752 - 09/10/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, that's enough. If you want to continue talking about Ziddy, do it in OTD.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047773 - 09/10/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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heh, I don't hate you 
Really, your interest in religion is admirable. Frankly, this world needs more spirituality.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6047795 - 09/10/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually there was nothing spiritual about that class and learning about religion. It was completely secular and almost everyone in the class came to the conclusion that most of the Bible is exagurrated.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047803 - 09/10/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did they go over Nag Hammadi?
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6047831 - 09/10/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No. We didn't even cover the whole Bible, just some important parts which I don't remember.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
#6047857 - 09/10/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you want a precise scholarly view of the Bible, I recommend any of the written works by Elaine Pagels, the leading professor of religious Studies at Princeton University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Pagels
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6050262 - 09/11/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Basilides said: heh, I don't hate you 
Really, your interest in religion is admirable. Frankly, this world needs more spirituality.
The world needs more psychotic nonsense?????? I don't think so, homer.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
#6050452 - 09/11/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why not? I see spirituality as a positive force in most people's lives. Even the great psychologist Carl Jung was mystified of the spiritual influence, especially in that of recovering alcoholics.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6050752 - 09/11/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Carl Jung was, as was Freud, and Maslow, and Ericson, and oh so many other whackos I had to read, an absolute waste of intelligence and a major detriment to the study of the mind. They set science BACK with their popular bullshit. Great psychologist my ass. Early 20th century Dr Phils. No redeeming social value whatsoever.
Religion and spirituality are utterly useless inventions that contribute to the derangement of the general populace. They have long ago outlived any usefulness they may have ever had
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
#6050831 - 09/11/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Carl Jung is a renowned genius. While a disciple of Freud, the two had very different empirical points of views pertaining to the human psyche. They were both philosophers, and both pioneers, and ultimately, the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age. One should know, Freud was strictly atheist while Jung was driven by gnosticism. Freud believed spirituality to be a mental illness, whereareas Jung believed it to have originated from an unconscious archetype in the human psyche.
Spirituality is hardly a waste to billions of people. Many may have no use for it, and may apply conspiratory diatribes to it (ie, a conspiracy to control, cause wars etc.), but at the end of the day spirituality has had many positive influences but on society and the individual, from the dawn of private charities right up to the inspirations behind civil rights movements and Martin Luther King Jr.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: Carl Jung is a renowned genius. While a disciple of Freud, the two had very different empirical points of views pertaining to the human psyche. They were both philosophers, and both pioneers, and ultimately, the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age. One should know, Freud was strictly atheist while Jung was driven by gnosticism. Freud believed spirituality to be a mental illness, whereareas Jung believed it to have originated from an unconscious archetype in the human psyche.
Spirituality is hardly a waste to billions of people. Many may have no use for it, and may apply conspiratory diatribes to it (ie, a conspiracy to control, cause wars etc.), but at the end of the day spirituality has had many positive influences but on society and the individual, from the dawn of private charities right up to the inspirations behind civil rights movements and Martin Luther King Jr.
I had to study both of these discredited jackasses and I tell you from experience that absolutely nothing either of them ever said has been of any value to human understanding of either the world or the mind. Useless wankers. Archetypes my sphincter.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
#6050955 - 09/11/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you have a problem with scientific authority
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6050977 - 09/11/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think he just has a problem with stubbornness.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6051478 - 09/11/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry to get off topic, but as a brother of a professional social service worker and a student who is majoring in Biology with a minor in psychology, I feel tremendously inclined to type. Sometime I just can't help myself. 
Carl Jung is a renowned genius.
Not really. He may be "renowned" in mystic circles, but to most counselors and psychologists he isn't very important. Jungian psychologists are a small niche that had little, if any, impact on modern counseling and psychology. His work seems far more important to the study of religion than the study of mind.
the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age
Again, not really. Many philosophers pondered the mind and investigated it. Nietzsche, Wundt, Pavlov, and Ebbinghaus all preceded them. (Most of both Jung's and Freud's theories are heavily influenced by Nietzsche.) And, Descarte deserves to be mentioned, as he studied the anatomy and workings of the brain.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
#6053683 - 09/12/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Basilides said: I think you have a problem with scientific authority
Nothing, I mean not one single thing, either of those two asshats ever did had anything to do with science. They were priests.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
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This is not truly relevant. Just trying to reach ten posts so I can read some shit that's blocked.
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: how.psilly.of.me]
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Blah blah
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