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OfflineBasilides
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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6047857 - 09/10/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you want a precise scholarly view of the Bible, I recommend any of the written works by Elaine Pagels, the leading professor of religious Studies at Princeton University.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Pagels


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6050262 - 09/11/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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heh, I don't hate you :shrug:

Really, your interest in religion is admirable. Frankly, this world needs more spirituality.




The world needs more psychotic nonsense??????  I don't think so, homer.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6050452 - 09/11/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why not? I see spirituality as a positive force in most people's lives. Even the great psychologist Carl Jung was mystified of the spiritual influence, especially in that of recovering alcoholics.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6050752 - 09/11/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Carl Jung was, as was Freud, and Maslow, and Ericson, and oh so many other whackos I had to read, an absolute waste of intelligence and a major detriment to the study of the mind. They set science BACK with their popular bullshit. Great psychologist my ass. Early 20th century Dr Phils. No redeeming social value whatsoever.

Religion and spirituality are utterly useless inventions that contribute to the derangement of the general populace. They have long ago outlived any usefulness they may have ever had


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6050831 - 09/11/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Carl Jung is a renowned genius. While a disciple of Freud, the two had very different empirical points of views pertaining to the human psyche. They were both philosophers, and both pioneers, and ultimately, the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age. One should know, Freud was strictly atheist while Jung was driven by gnosticism. Freud believed spirituality to be a mental illness, whereareas Jung believed it to have originated from an unconscious archetype in the human psyche.

Spirituality is hardly a waste to billions of people. Many may have no use for it, and may apply conspiratory diatribes to it (ie, a conspiracy to control, cause wars etc.), but at the end of the day spirituality has had many positive influences but on society and the individual, from the dawn of private charities right up to the inspirations behind civil rights movements and Martin Luther King Jr.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6050935 - 09/11/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Carl Jung is a renowned genius. While a disciple of Freud, the two had very different empirical points of views pertaining to the human psyche. They were both philosophers, and both pioneers, and ultimately, the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age. One should know, Freud was strictly atheist while Jung was driven by gnosticism. Freud believed spirituality to be a mental illness, whereareas Jung believed it to have originated from an unconscious archetype in the human psyche.

Spirituality is hardly a waste to billions of people. Many may have no use for it, and may apply conspiratory diatribes to it (ie, a conspiracy to control, cause wars etc.), but at the end of the day spirituality has had many positive influences but on society and the individual, from the dawn of private charities right up to the inspirations behind civil rights movements and Martin Luther King Jr.




I had to study both of these discredited jackasses and I tell you from experience that absolutely nothing either of them ever said has been of any value to human understanding of either the world or the mind. Useless wankers. Archetypes my sphincter.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6050955 - 09/11/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think you have a problem with scientific authority  :tongue:


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6050977 - 09/11/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you have a problem with scientific authority  :tongue:



I think he just has a problem with stubbornness.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6051478 - 09/11/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to get off topic, but as a brother of a professional social service worker and a student who is majoring in Biology with a minor in psychology, I feel tremendously inclined to type. Sometime I just can't help myself. :lol:

Carl Jung is a renowned genius.

Not really. He may be "renowned" in mystic circles, but to most counselors and psychologists he isn't very important. Jungian psychologists are a small niche that had little, if any, impact on modern counseling and psychology. His work seems far more important to the study of religion than the study of mind.

the first humans to seriously explore the human psyche in the modern age

Again, not really. Many philosophers pondered the mind and investigated it. Nietzsche, Wundt, Pavlov, and Ebbinghaus all preceded them. (Most of both Jung's and Freud's theories are heavily influenced by Nietzsche.) And, Descarte deserves to be mentioned, as he studied the anatomy and workings of the brain.

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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6053683 - 09/12/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
I think you have a problem with scientific authority  :tongue:




Nothing, I mean not one single thing, either of those two asshats ever did had anything to do with science.  They were priests.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6054060 - 09/12/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #27722865 - 04/06/22 05:53 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This is not truly relevant. Just trying to reach ten posts so I can read some shit that's blocked.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: how.psilly.of.me]
    #27722867 - 04/06/22 05:54 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Blah blah


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