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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6045764 - 09/10/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, it is nice source. There are plenty of other sources which say the same exact shit. Just google...


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6046028 - 09/10/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Hahahaha.. Taqiyya simply allows Shi'ite Muslims to conceal their religion if they are faced with intense persecution because of it. It has saved untold numbers of lives in Iraq since 2003. Is this all you can find in the past two days? :lol:




Good job not reading my whole post. Muslims can use the same idea to conceal various things which will help their faith.  And such things include building nukes to give Shias more power.

And no, I only spent 5 minutes looking for that.  And I just spent 3 hours doing genetics homework, so yea, no time to be on this board 24/7 like you. 




I will ask you for the uptenth time, Mr "I've read the Qur'an" - where are the verses that support your ridiculous claim. All I'm seeing is moonbattery on your part.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6046245 - 09/10/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Basilides, the Koran is not the only Muslim text. Your demand for a specific Koran passage is a distraction and irrelevant. A similar example is found in Judaism where there is the Torah and the Talmud.

And as for Mr. Khatami's welcome, well he got one in NY

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Families Of Kidnapped Persian Jews Sue Khatami In US Court
Saturday September 9, 2:47 pm ET
Law suit alleges visiting Iranian implemented anti-Semitic policy of torture and imprisonment......

Since the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979, millions of Iranian citizens have sought to escape from the Islamic regime. In normal circumstances when Muslim citizens are arrested attempting to leave without official permission, the established punishment is a small fine or a short jail term. However, in the instances where Jewish citizens have been similarly arrested, the Islamic government has instituted much harsher penalties. The Plaintiffs allege that Khatami has singled out the Jewish community and authorized the policy of secretly imprisoning the Jews indefinitely.

Over the years, the Jewish families have received reports from other former prisoners and guards that the missing Jews are alive and being held in different prisons. In the case of the Tehrani family of Los Angeles, a former Muslim neighbor has sworn out an affidavit testifying that he has seen their missing son, Babak Tehrani, in a Tehran prison two years after his disappearance.





http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060909/nysa018.html?.v=24

Welcome indeed, you camel fucking scumbag.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6046281 - 09/10/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6046657 - 09/10/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.




Considering the fact that Muslims follow those tenets they are Islamic sources.... You do understand that certain verses can be further explained and added to by Islamic scholars, imams, etc.

And I do remember reading the verse where a Muslim can conceal their faith when needed and also eat pork and other non "kosher" foods when needed. These verses were basically expanded by Muslims to incorporate other situations.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6046818 - 09/10/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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There are only two foundational Islamic sources that dictate Muslim behavior in Fiqh ul-Sunnah (the basis of Islam as studied by theologians), and that is the Qur'an and the Hadith. The musings of early Islamic (or Islamist) philosophers do not count in the slightest as an "Islamic source" intrinsic to the basic tenets of the religion.




Considering the fact that Muslims follow those tenets they are Islamic sources.... You do understand that certain verses can be further explained and added to by Islamic scholars, imams, etc.

And I do remember reading the verse where a Muslim can conceal their faith when needed and also eat pork and other non "kosher" foods when needed. These verses were basically expanded by Muslims to incorporate other situations.




Again, where are the verses. Where are the Hadithic narrations. Where do you, if ever, back up your wild claims with factual foundation.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6046957 - 09/10/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I gave you websites in this thread but you seem to miss them on purpose and then keep asking the same question to piss people off.

"The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""


"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml





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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6046969 - 09/10/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've visited all your links and have seen nothing pertaining to your usual unsubstantiated claims about anything and everything. Again, post the verses and/or hadithic narrations, right here for everyone to see. Is that so hard? Why is that a difficult instruction for you to follow?


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6046992 - 09/10/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I edited my previous post. The previous links that I posted also gave interpetations but you ignored them on purpose.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6047005 - 09/10/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If you want to understand the present, you must first understand the past. This is true universally, and that includes U.S.-Iranian realtions.

I don't believe anyone here has come out in support of the existing Iranian regime, and I'm pretty soon no one here will. That is not the issue here (unless someone on this thread has come out in support of the authoriatarian mullahs... I must have missed it.)

U.S. involvement with Iran didn't just suddenly pop up with nuclear-armed (not yet, but the U.S. government and Fox News will tell you otherwise) "Islamo-fascists" threatened the good people of the U.S. and "freedom-lovers" everywhere. No, U.S. (and British) involvement in internal Iranian affairs goes back much further than this (as it does in Iraq also).

The U.S./British coup against the popular Mohammed Mossadegh in order to put their puppet, the Shah, in power to control the nation's oil resources is a place to begin research to better understand the present situation, and possible solutions that don't involve dropping countless tons of explosives on civilian populations (which profits U.S. corporations handsomely).





Actually a lot of people on here are against understanding the past. That is how a thread about Israel went to shit. I tried to give people a history lesson but they screamed that the history of the situation was irrelevant.

And yes, the West has caused a lot of the problems in the Middle East and we need to fix them ourselves.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6047045 - 09/10/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, not at all. We need to to fix them ourselves and maintain our dominance. It worked with communism and it will work with the fundamentalists. However, the strategy under Bush is currently not working.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6047100 - 09/10/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I know that it would be great if every1 was equal but the real world just doesn't like that. If we let the Islamists do anything they wanted then they would try to establish a new caliphate. Well, they are trying to do that but with little success.

The problem here is that equality, ideas similar to communism, just don't work in real life. I wish that it was peace 24/7, no murder, no rape, no pillaging, but it seems that the world will always have the bad mixed in with the good. We will always have murder, war, rape, etc. unless of course we somehow change.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6047451 - 09/10/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Try making a new reply instead of editing an old post.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6047518 - 09/10/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Try making a new reply instead of editing an old post.




So it's okay if I double post?

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Much of the unrest and instability in the world today is the product of most of the world's wealth in the hands of a very small minority. That is what needs to change for peace to be possible.




But that doesn't mean if USA stops doing it then every1 else will too. All that will do is give some1 else to become a superpower.

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"If we let the Islamists do anything they wanted then they would try to establish a new caliphate."

This indicates that "America" (more accurately, the ruling oligarchy within) should do what it pleases to control other people and societies for its own economic benefit. Again, peace and justice cannot exist in the context of an unjust social order where a small few concentrated in one part of the world control society and the distribution of resources for a majority everywhere else in the world.




Again, you are talking about communism here, sharing of resources. This will not work. If USA stops controlling resources then some1 else will.


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Further, if one wishes to combat Islamic fundamentalism, then the best way to do this is to stop perpetrating the actions the fuel it; namely; the occupation of Arab and Muslim lands by Western imperial powers. Let them decide their own fate and sort of their own internal affairs instead of exploiting them for profit (as Mossedegh in Iran adn Gen. Kassam were on their way to doing). Were the two popular leaders perfect? Of course not, but they were making progress in the fields of social and economic justice, which were so distorted during colonial rule. How might the world look if U.S. and British oil companies weren't so greedy and allowed the two to lead their respective countries free of foreign domination? I would speculate that the lives of those in Iran and Iraq would have fared much better than they have and presently do.




I don't think we should withdraw from Muslim lands. The Muslims conquered that whole region and shouldn't be bitching about people that are stationed on land that they conquered. Well, nm, let them bitch, they have a right to bitch but that doesn't make them right. And I kinda want America to be #1 so I am for taking stuff from other countries.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: downforpot]
    #6047527 - 09/10/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106




What's your interpretation of this, DFP?

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" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89




And this?

Because to me, example 1 simply indicates that it is OK for Muslims to pretend to be non-Muslims if they're about to get nailed to a stake for being a Muslim. The second example isn't even remotely related to any of your moonbattery, it's a verse explaining how Muslims can redeem themselves for committing haraam actions (sins).

Nowhere do I see anything pertaining to lying in the name of selfish persuit. Everyone who has been singled out unjustly has lied. European Jews in World War 2 went through huge lengths to cover up their identity. The Qur'an merely states that if you're gonna get killed for bowing to Mecca, then bow to Mecca where no one can see you. So what in the hell does this have to do with Ahmadinejad lying to the international community?

Get over your stupid obsession with Islam. First you're on the verge of converting, then you're railing how it's the most wicked thing in the world. Jesus Christ, get a new hobby.


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Re: Welcome to the Land of the Great Satan, Smiling Mullah Khatami [Re: Basilides]
    #6047549 - 09/10/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106




What's your interpretation of this, DFP?

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" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89




And this?

Because to me, example 1 simply indicates that it is OK for Muslims to pretend to be non-Muslims if they're about to get nailed to a stake for being a Muslim. The second example isn't even remotely related to any of your moonbattery, it's a verse explaining how Muslims can redeem themselves for committing haraam actions (sins).

Nowhere do I see anything pertaining to lying in the name of selfish persuit. Everyone who has been singled out unjustly has lied. European Jews in World War 2 went through huge lengths to cover up their identity. The Qur'an merely states that if you're gonna get killed for bowing to Mecca, then bow to Mecca where no one can see you. So what in the hell does this have to do with Ahmadinejad lying to the international community?






Again, you are missing parts of my posts on purpose. "The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good.""

I will post more from that website, it is currently offline.


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Get over your stupid obsession with Islam. First you're on the verge of converting, then you're railing how it's the most wicked thing in the world. Jesus Christ, get a new hobby.




Again, now you are attacking me like you did before. I asked you before "Is reading the Quran = converting to Islam?"

I am re-reading the Bible right now too. Next I will read the Book of Mormon. I also have some mythology books that I have read before and I will read them again. And I will prolly reread the Quran later again.


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