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the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins...
    #6030832 - 09/05/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no..phred..neither the words "PATRIOT II" nor "race to the bottom" appear in the link below..but its very clear that this "debate" will be a race to the bottom to revoke more and more civil liberties in order to claim the "tougher on terrorism" mantle...i have taken it upon myself to use the "PATRIOT II" moniker for the end product..which will at the very least turn the country into an orwellian nitemare...and with polls showing up to 70% support for such action..it is doubtful that the democrats will even utter the phrase "checks & balances"..and choose to pander to "swing voters" instead...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/05/congress.returns.ap/index.html

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National security at top of congressional agenda

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress will mark the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks with a pre-election agenda focusing on national security-related issues.

Must-do tasks for lawmakers returning Tuesday from a monthlong break are reaching agreement on defense spending, which has gone from about $300 billion before the terrorist attacks to nearly $500 billion, and passing a $32 billion spending bill for the Homeland Security Department.

The House and Senate plan to recess September 29 until after the November election. Any other issues -- perhaps immigration or offshore drilling -- they take up before then will be colored by the possibility that the election could restore Democrats to power in either or both chambers. (Watch Bill Schneider's take on angry voters -- 1:40)

With no chance of completing all the fiscal 2007 spending bills, Congress will have to return in November after the election for what could be a lame-duck session for Republicans.

The habitually slow-moving Senate is going to have to act with uncharacteristic speed. First up this month will be passage of a $468 billion defense spending bill that includes extra money for military equipment and a security fence along the Mexican border. (Watch how security issues will dominate the congressional agenda -- 2:40)

The Senate Armed Services Committee is trying to coordinate with the administration on legislation to create a new legal system for holding and trying terrorists in the wake of the Supreme Court's rejection of the current military tribunals.

Responding to other court rulings, GOP leaders also hope to put together in the coming weeks a bill establishing new legal status for the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretaps of terrorist suspects.

Also on the agenda are a port security bill and -- if House and Senate negotiators can reach compromises -- final votes on the Homeland Security bill and a $500 billion bill to authorize defense programs in fiscal 2007.
Nominations up for votes

Senate GOP leaders also hope to confirm John Bolton as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. President Bush appointed Bolton to the post on a temporary basis a year ago after Democrats repeatedly blocked his nomination from getting a vote.

The Senate may also vote to confirm Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. Democratic obstacles to that vote were lifted last week after the FDA announced a long-delayed decision to allow women to buy the morning-after pill without a prescription.

The House leads off with a bill outlawing the slaughtering of horses for human consumption. But it also is expected to quickly move on to measures legalizing military tribunals and the terrorist surveillance program.

House Republicans, in danger of losing the majority they have held since 1995, were playing to their strength in focusing on security issues. "Now is not the time for a weak and indecisive approach that has been offered by Capitol Hill Democrats," said Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.
Immigration considerations

GOP leaders were also discussing whether to bring up another border security bill.

Immigration reform legislation hit an impasse this summer when House Republicans, after pushing through a tough border security and enforcement bill, rejected the Senate approach of allowing more guest workers and opening a path for illegal immigrants to gain legal status.

"We need the president. He has to pull this together," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, a chief sponsor of the Senate bill. In a rare instance of division with House Republicans, Bush has supported a guest worker program and efforts to help the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants earn legal status.

On another issue with election repercussions, Republicans will try to show they are addressing the high cost of energy by passing a bill expanding offshore drilling for oil and gas.

The Senate, before leaving for the August recess, passed a drilling bill limited to one area in the Gulf of Mexico. A previously passed House bill is significantly broader. Senate Republicans have made clear that, if Republicans want an energy bill before the election, theirs is the only one with a chance of passing.

The Senate still has tax issues pending. Just before adjourning for the recess, Senate Democrats blocked a GOP plan combining a Democrat-backed increase in the minimum wage with a Republican-backed cut in inheritance taxes and renewing popular tax breaks that have expired. Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, may make another shot at it, but it appears only that extending the tax breaks -- including for college tuition and business research -- will survive in the end.




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Re: the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6031860 - 09/05/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Someone warn canada there may be a flood of people applying for citizenship...

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Re: the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6032336 - 09/05/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Let's analyze this quote, by translating it.

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Responding to other court rulings, GOP leaders also hope to put together in the coming weeks a bill establishing new legal status for the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretaps of terrorist suspects.




Translation: GOP leaders also hope to put together in the coming weeks a bill establishing a new legal excuse to continue the NSA's warrantless wiretaps, regardless of inconvenient conflicts with the constitution.

However, other than that tiny part, the article has very little to do with civil liberties. You're really stretching with that.


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Re: the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins... [Re: Konnrade]
    #6032382 - 09/05/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Konnrade said:
Let's analyze this quote, by translating it.

Quote:

Responding to other court rulings, GOP leaders also hope to put together in the coming weeks a bill establishing new legal status for the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretaps of terrorist suspects.




Translation: GOP leaders also hope to put together in the coming weeks a bill establishing a new legal excuse to continue the NSA's warrantless wiretaps, regardless of inconvenient conflicts with the constitution.

However, other than that tiny part, the article has very little to do with civil liberties. You're really stretching with that.




i wouldnt call that "tiny".. a "tiny" revokation of liberty is like being a little pregnant...

and then theres this part ..

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The Senate Armed Services Committee is trying to coordinate with the administration on legislation to create a new legal system for holding and trying terrorists in the wake of the Supreme Court's rejection of the current military tribunals.




the military tribunals that were overturned by the SCOTUS are IMNSHO particulary ominous..since it lays the groundwork for a system of extrajudicial disappearences and punishment..including torture...in fact..this bill would never fly in the current SCOTUS..but there will be another bush neocon lackey on the SCOTUS by the time it gets there...

and while the link only touches on those two particular aspects.. it would be foolish to assume that their the only ones.. and even if they were..a "race to the bottom" will necessarily produce a final package that revokes many more liberties than it begins with...


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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...

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Re: the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins... [Re: Konnrade]
    #6032384 - 09/05/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You're really stretching with that.




As always.





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Re: the PATRIOT II race to the bottom begins... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6033082 - 09/05/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, I meant "tiny" in the context of being a small part of the article. I don't like the shit they're doing to the 4th ammendment any more than you do.


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