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 Swami
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 Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals  [Re: Learyfan]
#606038 - 04/12/02 02:22 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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You take offense with my "The rock later reported that they were actually communicating." comment. Your point here is very ambiguous. Do you believe that rocks can communicate; yes or no?
If yes, then why would you believe that a rock would only communicate with some humans?
If no, then what are you making noises about?
...anyone who believes differently is just a stupid kid.
If you want to make some statement about me, use my words not yours. I have never called anyone "stupid" in many hundreds of posts. This is a pathetic and cheap trick on your part.
What if everything is God? Why couldn't God talk to God? ... You're being a dick plain and simple. That's right, I called you a dick."
So to distill your logic, God is calling God a dick.
You brought out the worst in me.
One can only show one's nature. You are violent because you are violent. I have no power over you.
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Swami
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: zhukov]
#606048 - 04/12/02 02:34 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am very sorry for your loss.
The difficulty with anecdotes like yours is the singular fact that you only attribute your extreme anxiety to your beloved's death after the fact. Apparently at no time prior to meeting the parents did you know what the something wrong was.
Reading the look on your finace's parent's faces is not shamanistic. Grief and extreme pain is fairly easy to interpret. My girlfriend knew instantly of her daughter's death when she saw the look on the faces of her son and ex-husband.
Am I saying that your experience is invalid? No. But it is very common when people pass over, for a friend or relative to review the time of their passing and to try to find a link to some event or feeling.
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raytrace
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606184 - 04/12/02 08:05 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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sorry, for missing the refs,
Matthew Fox & Rupert Sheldrake, "Natural Grace"
p. 79
Sheldrake clearly states :
"This test has now been done thousands of times and the results are clear. This effect really does seem to exist, implying that our psychic world, our mental world, isn't just inside us, it extends around us."
if you think he is lying or not being appropriate with his scientific methods, and you are willing to put up a large sum of money against this hypothesis, you can contact him, and please let us know
Sheldrake Online: www.sheldrake.org
i am very interested in the results, as i suppose you are too, but not willing to invest any money
Edited by raytrace (04/12/02 08:09 AM)
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606284 - 04/12/02 10:34 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to agree with LearyFan. From my observations, it seems that 90% of your posts are attacking others by generally calling them stupid for failing to use "Good logic".. or rather.. Swami Logic. No, you didn't call anyone stupid, I've never heard you use that actual word.. you've got a much more eloquent way of calling someone stupid. If you think we are making this up I'll be glad to dig up some examples for you.
Personally, you are a good part of the reason why I don't come to the Shroomery nearly as much as I used to. I simply don't enjoy being followed around by an 'all knowing scientist' who is constantly telling me my reality is false and that I need to prove everything I say to science. Constantly defending my beliefs has made me almost as cynical as you. I don't need to prove myself to you, or anyone. Free exchange of ideas is hindered when someone comes in and tells everyone they are silly for thinking that way, and that they should not do it. Instead of continuing the conversation, everyone switches focus to defending their right to think freely, which should never happen. I have seen too many posts where a good healthy conversation is going on, and then you come in and cut them down, only for the whole thread to change focus and usually turn negative. I'm not saying all of this just to agree with someone else, this is something I have been feeling for a long time, and LearyFan's opinion is very similar to mine.
I have heard you use the term "dangerous thinking" many many times. You often compare spiritualists to your friend who was in the Heaven's Gate Cult. You likened me to a cult leader on more than one occassion. And regardless of what you think, when you attack someones deep beliefs, you ARE attacking them. Bad logic or not, it is not your job to prevent everyone from thinking freely. If someone doesnt use scientific logic to reach a conclusion you are usually the first to jump on their back and tell them how they are wrong. I always appreciate a good healthy skeptic attitude or scientific approach, but when you are constantly telling us how we are wrong rather than trying to figure out why we think this way, one has to wonder why you keep coming back.
I think what I am trying to say here, is that you should either accept the fact that not everyone thinks the same way as you, and let us talk our "crazy talk" without fear of being attacked and labeled as illogical and using "dangerous thinking", or find a science board where everyone will agree with what you have to say. Hell, look at the signature on the bottom of my post.. two years ago I wouldn't have even considered putting something like that there. You are not going to stop everyone from believing in what they believe in, so you need to accept that. And accepting that doesn't mean to get cynical and attack them because you can't do anything about it. Find a more harmonious way to interact with the 'illogical, dangerous thinking, head in the clouds shroomerites'.
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 Tannis
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 Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: ]
#606333 - 04/12/02 11:31 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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..........sensitive one.....I have all the proof I need.....inside of me.......I appreciate your honesty.....for all of us......
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Swami
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: raytrace]
#606393 - 04/12/02 12:14 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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The money that I could wager and the publicity that my wager might generate are paltry compared to the $1,000,000 Randi Foundation Challenge. I am sure that Sheldrake is quite aware of this, but fears to take the test. Much easier to make claims than back them up.
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Swami
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: ]
#606399 - 04/12/02 12:19 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice emotional rant, but not one point of this thread was addressed. A PM would be a better mode of communication.
Whay are you not all over Learfan for calling me a dick? (or Traum or Tannis) Is that not negative? Ah, I get it. A believer's insults are OK.
I bask in the love...
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Revelation
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606410 - 04/12/02 12:27 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it's any consolation I don't think you are a dick.. In fact I think the shroomery needs someone to be skeptical of the far out ideas that some people present here. I also don't think anyone should be telling anyone else to leave...
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raytrace
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: ]
#606416 - 04/12/02 12:32 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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i suppose cake contamination is a reality you have to learn how to deal with...
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raytrace
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Revelation]
#606424 - 04/12/02 12:38 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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i agree with revl, and i think swami plays his part pretty well
Edited by raytrace (04/12/02 12:40 PM)
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Anonymous
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: raytrace]
#606429 - 04/12/02 12:42 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, we can use encounters with cake contamination to help teach us things about how to clean up our processes so as to improve our yields.
Edited by evolving (04/12/02 12:44 PM)
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raytrace
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: ]
#606430 - 04/12/02 12:46 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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exactly...
also, shroomish & swami could well be voices in your head, there is no point being mad to any of them
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Anonymous
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606444 - 04/12/02 01:02 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant no ill feelings in that. Just felt a need to vent. I'm not all over Learyfan for calling you a dick because I feel he was justified for it. He doesn't just go around calling people dicks for no reason. You can be a dick. That's not to say you're always that way, you can be very nice when you want to be. As for Traum or Tannis I have never seen any dick-ish behaviour in them in all of their posts... I dont know maybe I missed something? All I was trying to do was respectfully and honestly tell you how I feel, love intended glad you feel it  
Well, hope we can still be friends.. heh. For now I must go battle the emperor and later I will be after you, Lord Vader. May the force be with you.
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raytrace
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606445 - 04/12/02 01:03 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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i don't know if Sheldrake is aware of this or if he is willing to participate. since you are so sure about it, you can challenge him to do so. no need for you to bet anyway
Edited by raytrace (04/12/02 01:07 PM)
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TeKHeAD009
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 Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606505 - 04/12/02 01:57 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the bible, it sais that if people stopped singing praises to the Lord that the stones would cry out.
"I tell you, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out." -Jesus Christ (Luke 19:28-40)
Something along those lines anyhow, type "rocks would cry out" into a search engine sometime and you'll get all kinds of religious sites.
So, in conclusion, rocks can communicate. (<---period :^)
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Swami, I like you, you seem to have some good insight into subjects. People... let it go... I didn?t find his statement offensive. It WAS sarcastic, but in a slightly humorous way. Swami, let it go, if they want to criticize you, so what? What are you doing? Fighting for the finally word? You people are too uptight. If you want to argue about swamis legitimacy in here, take it to another post specifically about
him (wait, didn?t I already see that?)
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Tannis
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606519 - 04/12/02 02:13 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never said you were a dick or anything else for that matter......only thing I can remember is getting upset at a post and then saying that you were thinking of us (the spiritual crowd) as "stupid m fers" which I apologized for in the post.
I don't hate YOU, I just hate to share my experiences and have them torn apart. I learn a great deal more when someone accepts me for my beliefs and I accept them for theirs and we just share our thoughts.
For several weeks now I have been PMing another member whose beliefs and experience are vastly different than mine. I just remarked to this person this morning that it would be great to post all this stuff in an open post....but it would become a battlefield. I've really learned a lot about this person and about their beliefs and we are always saying to each other, "no insults....ok.....this is just how I see it and you probably disagree".....
Its great! Like I said I have really learned a lot and this person has been a very helpful support for me in a difficult time.
Honestly....I really wish you and I had that kind of relationship. It would be really cool to say, "Hey Swami, I just experienced blah, blah, blah, blah.........."and get a friendly response.
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Swami
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Tannis]
#606532 - 04/12/02 02:29 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand love, acceptance, and encouragement. I also understand how the openess of "anything goes" allows frauds like televangelists or Jon Edward(sp?) of Crossing Over fame to exist and prey on our emotional needs.
You may agree with that, but still ask what that has to do with my many posts here. Sloppy or unquestioning thinking is how political leaders can brain-wash entire nations and even lead them to war.
You may be surprised to find out that I was one of the few to get out of the military during the Viet Nam era on a conscientious objector discharge with much threat to physical, emotional and financial health.
The price of freedom is vigilance!
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fireworks_god
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 Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#606690 - 04/12/02 06:23 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, first off, what I said at the end "he later confirmed he was talking with the rock". That was just a typo. I meant to say his girlfriend.
The thing is, when the shamans would go into their trances (with using the drums or dancing as a stimulant), the same effects would happen as when they were tripping. Actually, the North American Indian shamans would almost never use hallucinogens to go on their "journeys". Only certain tribes and only on certain occasions.
Thanks for everyone's input.
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: fireworks_god]
#606740 - 04/12/02 07:15 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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once uon a time on a board far fr away, Peyotl started a thread about firearms. Peyotl is a rabid defender of all our rights as they were befre the PATRIOT act, and feels every challenge must be met every step of the way. soon i have several nuts flaming the fuck outta me for my relish to hurt ppl. told me to take it to NRA. personally, if you think your talking to a plant, your crazy as a shithouse mouse. but by all means, mumble and drool all over yourselves freely, just dont drip on me. i reserve my right to pnch holes in your story, but not to shit on you. i dont see how that remark brought down the Lib SS upon swamis ass. and telling him to leave....man in the real world id say you have an asskicking coming. heres how i see it tell me how far im off: you bitch at him for pointing out that rocks arent living, never were, and herefor couldnt put together a sentence or even know what one was. he didnt say you wwere a fucking nutcase id lock the guns from. i think the problem is, you think youve got this grea thing that nobody, or very few, know about, and you react like an inflamed hemerriod when someoneshines the light of the world in on you. when you and your crew of PC Hitler Youth cant formulate a reply with civility from what everyone thought was a good one liner i suspect your claims. it seems we have several cells of intimidation squads roaming around ready to beat back into place any peg that that wont fit inot one hole.
in closing, think what you want to think, wear what you want to wear, dance how you want to dance, talk to disembodied DMT entities, but youll know when ppl think your stupid or worse. cause someone will say it. aint it great?
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Re: Telepathy Time Travel and Talking To Animals [Re: Swami]
#607364 - 04/13/02 02:48 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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You take offense with my "The rock later reported that they were actually communicating." comment. Your point here is very ambiguous. Do you believe that rocks can communicate; yes or no?
I don't know if rocks can communicate with humans or not. That's beside the point anyway. The point is, is that this person said something that he believes may have happened, and you just pipe up with a smart....alec comment JUST to make him feel stupid. Don't even deny that. If you do, then I don't know why we're even talking because you won't admit when you're wrong for any reason.
If yes, then why would you believe that a rock would only communicate with some humans?
Like I said, I don't know if rocks can communicate with humans, however it is possible(since I believe everything is a part of "God" or "Life") that the rock (and everything for that matter) is talking to us all of the time, and it's only humans who don't listen, or aren't able to listen. I don't want to get into a big "rocks talking to humans" debate.
If you want to make some statement about me, use my words not yours. I have never called anyone "stupid" in many hundreds of posts. This is a pathetic and cheap trick on your part.
Like Shroomism said, you don't come out and say people are stupid, you imply it. And who's the hypocrite here? You just called me "pathetic" and "cheap". In another post I remember you asking if "schizophrenia ran in my family". Aren't you calling me a name(schizo?), as well as my family? My point here is, that no matter how holy someone is, if they're pushed hard enough, they will push back, and be forced to be unholy.
What if everything is God? Why couldn't God talk to God? ... You're being a dick plain and simple. That's right, I called you a dick.(LF)
So to distill your logic, God is calling God a dick.
Exactly. I'm calling the part of myself that is Swami, or to be more accurate, what Swami embodys to me at the moment, a dick.
You brought out the worst in me.(LF)
One can only show one's nature. You are violent because you are violent. I have no power over you.
Violent? pfffff. The anger that you sometimes bring out in me doesn't represent who I am at all. I know you'd like to portray me that way, but I know who I am.
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