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Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible?
    #6021036 - 09/02/06 02:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I understand that you can get multiple flushes out of one casing and such, does anyone here think that a method could be developed for perpetually using a prime myc layer (from a successful grow) by introducing new nutritive substance under it to allow it to grow fresh fruit bodies perpetually? I understand how and why mycelium survives and thrives the way it does, and I dreamed of a method of laying certain pieces of the grow cycle out in layers upon each other to create an environment that would be forgiving enough to allow MANY more than just a few flushes from one casing.
I'm probably just an idiot, but has anyone ever heard of an attempt to try an idea even remotely similar to this?


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021055 - 09/02/06 03:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This has been talked about many times...and it does work.

In plain words; all you do is spawn a used casing with fresh substrate such as horse manure.

There was a successful grow log a while ago


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021066 - 09/02/06 03:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

To elaborate my idea is to use a porous sheet of plastic between the bottom layer of casing+spawn substrate and myc+spawn layer as well as another layer of porous plastic between the myc+spawn and the casing+spawn layer on top. This could allow you to separate the myc+spawn layer from the entire casing when the flushes start to become less fruitful and transplant it into a new environment with fresh top and bottom layers of nutritive casing material. The purpose is to make the transplant quick and less messy.


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021085 - 09/02/06 03:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I do not see any benefit that will come out of such a technique...
let it be 3:07 in the morning, or the fact that Im baked to hell...but my brain translated your post as a whole bunch of "blah blah blah"...what the hell is myco? myco nitro?..why would you want the layers separate?


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: Tien]
    #6021099 - 09/02/06 03:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said earlier, I probably am just an idiot when it comes to these things. I was just dreaming of a way to let your good ESTABLISHED myc layers continue to do their thing and not have to die because of lack of nutrients. All while keeping the method clean an simple at the same time.


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021109 - 09/02/06 03:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well a simple way to do that is to do what i mentioned above.
and you are far from an idiot. you have a creative mind, that's what counts. i experiment with all kinds of stupid stuff...most of it doesnt work too well either :wink:


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021119 - 09/02/06 03:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know jack about shrooms, I'm new to them. But I would think putting a piece of the colonized substrate in some un-colonized substrate would allow it to grow, but like I said I don't know.

Why don't you try it?


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: Jorsher]
    #6021138 - 09/02/06 03:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm talking about being able to lift an entire tray's worth of quality mycelium without breaking it up and planting it in a new environment that would give it all of the factors it needed to continue to produce just like the first one it was in, and on and on and on....


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: plyx]
    #6021239 - 09/02/06 04:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Plutonium answered your question..... Breaking it up would be ideal. More points of inoculation in the new nutrient rich substrate.


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #6021266 - 09/02/06 05:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you might get a few more flushes, but eventually the mycelium will become exhausted, it is impossible to last indefinitely.


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: CantiSama]
    #6022131 - 09/02/06 02:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Isnt that the point of agar work? To issolate the best of the best. After transfer to transfer to transfer dosent genetics come into play and u start getting special-ed shrooms?


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Re: Is a perpetual growth substrate impossible? [Re: imme420]
    #6022201 - 09/02/06 03:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It doesn't work well due to the fact that when the mushrooms begin to form, the mycelium has already stopped vegetative growth and has entered fruiting mode. It will take a long time for the second substrate to get colonized with the weakened mycelium, then the fruiting procedure has to be initiated all over again. Meanwhile, some of that old substrate is sitting there waiting to contaminate the new batch.

A more effecient use of your fruiting space is to rapid cycle your trays. Once you finish the second flush with a tray, have another fresh one waiting to replace it. This way, you always have rapidly expanding mycelium making up your projects.
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