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allnatural
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Heads Curled
#6016119 - 08/31/06 05:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is my first grow. I've got a verm casing on my grain bag prepared spawn(yes I took it out first). I had it in my fruiting chamber for two weeks before it pinned which was last Sat.
Today I come in and notice almost half of them are done, but they are nubby as hell. Many simply expanded sideways instead of up, and the head literally curled at the edges up and I noticed all the gills showing. Now these are barely 1/2 inch tall and most just barely made it out of the casing.
I searched for curled heads on this board but get no results(well WAY too many to narrow it down). I have my lights 18/6 but that has only been that way for 5 days now since the temps when the lights were off got pretty cool. Do these do OK when the temps are in the mid/low 60s? Should I start using my propagation mat from my stash? Or could it be my humidity was way low for the second week after casing and I added perlite inside my terrarium to increase the humidity. I'm wondering if that was too late since these nubs simply shriveled when the hit the air?
I'm working on my second flush of these now and they seem to look alright. They're formed correct and just small right now.
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Sinthetic
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Low humidity/low air exchange will give you funky growth.
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Re: Heads Curled [Re: Sinthetic]
#6018043 - 09/01/06 10:48 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most growth occurs during the period of darkness, so at 18/6, you hurt your chances for getting good results. Also, plain grains cased with plain verm is the worst possible casing method. If you want larger fruits, spawn to a manure based substrate and case with a peat based casing layer. RR
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yup, lots of issues can be the cause of this. But if you're just casing straight grain id bet moisture content would be the biggest culprit.
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Re: Heads Curled [Re: coda]
#6018180 - 09/01/06 11:21 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol, well I will throw my idea out there. I'm going to go out there a bit and disagree with RR. I feel like your problem is more than likely not enough FAE. I disagree because I have grown many casings of grain with only vermiculite and had nothing even similar to the problems that he is describing. But when doing casings in the past and was not giving them enough FAE, I would end up with short fat mushrooms.
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RogerRabbit
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Lack of air exchange causes long, lanky, twisted stems, not short fatties. In fact many edible growers deliberately restrict air exchange to encourage CO2 in order to get longer stems and smaller caps. RR
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allnatural
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Ok. I'm pretty sure it was humidty and combined with only 2 FAE's a day due to schedule. I've got my mushbox spawn bag today and I should have my Texas syringe tomorrow. I'll start over ( i did get about 30 grams of wet shrooms, so I'll be good). These look like WBS and I didn't realize that.
I''m going to use the poor mans pod since I've got all the hydro stuff anyway. Anyone have any success with these? I'm thiking ALL my problems should be solved with this device. It's pretty sweet looking.
For my casing I want to use the rest of this verm, should I add coir @60/40 for this poor mans pod or can i get away with straight verm? I really dont want to deal with the peat b/c of the pH issue, but I do have hydrated lime lying around. Any suggestions?
Oh and these fat nubs looked as if they had no annulus at all. It's like they grew without one from within the casing.
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