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What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country
#6016609 - 08/31/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you think that it is, if there were one thing that we as a nation could focus on, what would it be?
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6016626 - 08/31/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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medicare.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6016649 - 08/31/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think perhaps it would be maintaining the balance between liberty and security. There seems to be a dangerous trend of thought lately that our long-held traditions of due process and checks and balances are somehow "letting the terrorists win," whatever that means. The issue gets obscured by some into an issue of surveillance vs. no surveillance, when it's really an issue of accountability vs. unaccountability. And of course, little attention is paid in mainstream political discourse to the role that world poverty, cultural hegemony, and addiction to oil plays in our national security. The focus is all on treating the problem, not preventing it.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#6016651 - 08/31/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the fact that our culture and values are being entirely manipulated by corperations and PR firms in order to keep us consuming and complacent.
And the fact that we live in a totalitarian democracy, meaning that the citizens have almost no participation in the decision making progress. We are presented only two choices (Dem, and Rep) which both represent only special interests, and then we are told that third parties are not worth voting for.
and the gov'ts attempt to oppress free speech...
i guess there are a lot of "most serious" social issues. but if I had to pick just one, I guess it would be the first one. And at the same time, they all tie in together.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: dr0mni]
#6016655 - 08/31/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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good post silversoul!
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6017083 - 08/31/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Energy.
Energy.
Energy.
Everything else pales in comparison.
And we are doing virtually nothing about it. The Bush admin and govt in general seems to specialize in not addressing urgent needs which can crush our civilization.
Pathetic leadership.
Fiddle on..
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: zorbman]
#6017099 - 08/31/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree: energy.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: Vvellum]
#6017143 - 09/01/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, i happen to agree with this, as far as a financial issue, and threats to the sustanability of the sort of life that we lead, energy is a very large issue that needs to be adressed.
Most of what happens will happen in the private sector, as there is $$$ in it, Even i am looking into large scale production of energy and fuels.
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zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6017202 - 09/01/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fanatical religion's influence rising influence in politics. its ability to stifle science, free speech and limit personal rights
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: KingOftheThing]
#6017284 - 09/01/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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^Personal Rights, poverty, methamphetamine use, education, pretty much everything else too.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6018752 - 09/01/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Education.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6018785 - 09/01/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Teenage Pregnancy
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6019818 - 09/01/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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christians.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: wilshire]
#6019924 - 09/01/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Education will fix that.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6020275 - 09/01/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Health Care wins hands down.
Its a here and now problem which is effected by all other problems we face.
It is more than a social issue, it is a crisis.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: GabbaDj]
#6020306 - 09/01/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Energy is a good one also. It will some day be the death of us or our liberator... that may happen in my later years or in the years of my grand children.
I was just talking about the energy debate at work and I told the two guys that same thing, their children/grand children will most likely die in wars due to our failure to react now to the oil shortage and they both shut up quick.. Small victories are sometimes the best
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: GabbaDj]
#6020315 - 09/01/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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GabbaDj said: Health Care wins hands down.
Its a here and now problem which is effected by all other problems we face.
It is more than a social issue, it is a crisis.
Im in complete agreement, the cost of healthcare is insanity, Its become a institution.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#6021257 - 09/02/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I definitely agree with Energy, and I guess it also ties into what I was saying about consumerism. Energy wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem if we didn't waste so god damn much of it!
We are conditioned to be so comfortable, and to have machines do all of our work for us.
It takes thousands times more kilo-joules to drive one person around in a two ton vehicle than it does to power a bicycle.
Fuck cars! Fuck gasoline! Fuck air conditioning! Fuck constant electronic entertainment!
It's hard to not be a concerned citizen and a hypocrite at the same time...
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: dr0mni]
#6021462 - 09/02/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr0mni said: Fuck air conditioning!
I think that constitutes flaming.
Seriously, though, to think that we shouldn't have air conditioning is ridiculous. Perhaps we could develop better technology to implement in air conditioning (in fact, this is being done, I've heard of air conditioners that utilize ice and run when the temperatures are cooler to save energy), but, like I said, it is ridiculous to propose that we shouldn't be using air conditionres, or driving around in vehicles such as cars. There is a legitmate reason why we drive around in cars, and most prefer cars to bicycles/motorcycles.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: Silversoul]
#6021558 - 09/02/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I think perhaps it would be maintaining the balance between liberty and security. There seems to be a dangerous trend of thought lately that our long-held traditions of due process and checks and balances are somehow "letting the terrorists win," whatever that means. The issue gets obscured by some into an issue of surveillance vs. no surveillance, when it's really an issue of accountability vs. unaccountability. And of course, little attention is paid in mainstream political discourse to the role that world poverty, cultural hegemony, and addiction to oil plays in our national security. The focus is all on treating the problem, not preventing it.
I couldn't agree with your empirical observation more. May I add to it that there is a secret society in our community, who still pledge its allegiance to the Flags of the Confederate States and seeks to overthrow our democracy of liberalism with conservatism. Its strategy is to manipulate its legal wit to divide our nation over the issue of national security vs. civil liberties.
The writing is on the wall that it's mission has succeeded. The only way to counteract its assault is to educate the American public to learn our Bill of Rights and due process of law.
Expect to go to hell in a handbasket if educated human beings continue to trust lawyers for knowledge of our legal rights.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6021566 - 09/02/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The most serious social issue in this country is integrating immigrants into mainstream culture. This country ofcourse being Holland.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: Asante]
#6021590 - 09/02/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Without a doubt, Social Security and Medicare. Everyone that is in the USA, and is under 35 years of age, does not see how dicked up these programs are doing financially.
It has always been my contention that Washington's dirty little secret is that they steal from the young to give to the old........
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: fireworks_god]
#6021894 - 09/02/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Seriously, though, to think that we shouldn't have air conditioning is ridiculous.
I don't think so. We have the technology and the knowledge right now to design buildings in such a way that they don't need heating or air conditioning. With smart building design, heating and air condition can become obsolete. The problem, of course, is that most people have to live and work in old buildings with inefficient design.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: ZippoZ]
#6021965 - 09/02/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For England I am going to say alcoholism, obesity and scallys.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: GabbaDj]
#6023455 - 09/02/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Health Care wins hands down.
healthcare costs could be reduced to a fraction of what they currently are if people took better care of themselves and didn't expect to live forever.
Its a here and now problem which is effected by all other problems we face.
i haven't been to a doctor for anything other than a state required physical in more than 15 years. the only way healthcare affects me is the medicare tax on my paycheck.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: Silversoul]
#6024434 - 09/03/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We have the technology and the knowledge right now to design buildings in such a way that they don't need heating or air conditioning. With smart building design, heating and air condition can become obsolete.
You have intrigued me, so please elaborate.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: fireworks_god]
#6024511 - 09/03/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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We have the technology and the knowledge right now to design buildings in such a way that they don't need heating or air conditioning. With smart building design, heating and air condition can become obsolete.
You have intrigued me, so please elaborate.
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Well, I can't explain exactly how the architecture works, but I've been reading about it in this book called Natural Capitalism, by Paul Hawken and Amory Lovins. Basically, certain design features in a building or house can take advantage of the sun and the terrain so as to keep the house at a constant temperature. The Rocky Mountain Institute, of which Amory Lovins is president, has a headquarters high up in the Colorado Rockies which has no heating or air conditioning system, yet they manage to grow bananas indoors.
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Re: What do you feel is the most serious social issue in this country [Re: Silversoul]
#6024570 - 09/03/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds intriguing.
I look forward to the day when I am able to buy some land and afford to plan my own house, exactly as I want it to be. It will incorporate innovative sources of energy - it'd be off the grid.
Of course, to me, burning wood is innovative. My parents built a log home and when we poured the cement for the basement floor, we installed the tubing for heat that will rise from the floor (not sure what its called). I don't think he's put together the boiler he needs to use it, but there are two log stoves in the house. Of course, this is in Wisconsin, and we are surrounded by wooded hills, so the resource is available. It requires a little bit of effort, of course, but it'll develop a person, and it is one hell of a way to provide warmth for yourself!
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