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You want a link about the double standard of coverage in the U.S. media (as well as a summery of the overall geopolitical scene in the Middle East)?

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomsky08162006.html

You call Hezbollah a group of thugs representing a foreign government? They are a thoroughly Lebanese resistance movement that has the broad support of the Lebanese people; not only Shia Muslims, but Sunni Muslims, Christians, and Druze as well.

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You may not be aware of this, but Hamas runs extensive social services for the impoverished Palestinians on the West Bank (as the Hezbollah does in Lebanon). Their political party was democratically elected, but the U.S./Zionist imperialists aren't interested in real democracy. They only want "democracy" if it puts their puppets in power, not a leadership committed to the self-determination of its people. Hence, they will undertake any means, no matter how illegal, in attempting to thwart real democracy, the kind that doesn't serve corporate America (the U.S. role in subverting the democratically-elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile & the Sandinistas in Nicaragua are parallels to Israel's sabatoge of the Hamas government).

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The Arab world condemned Hezbollah? This demonstrates that you, not I, are out of touch with reality on the Arab street. First, U.S. puppets initially issued tenative criticism of Hezbollah, but even they backed off due to how popular Hezbollah is in the Arab world. You may not be aware of this either, but U.S. puppet governments in the Middle East not only are not democratic, they don't represent the interests of their people. In fact, they walk a very fine line and, with the right provocation, could be overthrown by popular revolt. The present situation of disconnect between subservient (to America) Arab governments and their populations is very much a powder keg.

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"So far as the United States seems to be concerned, it is only a slight overstatement to say that Moslems and Arabs are essentially seen as either oil suppliers or potential terrorists. Very little of the detail, the human density, the passion of Arab-Moslem life has entered the awareness of even those people whose profession it is to report the Arab world. What we have instead is a series of crude, essentialized caricatures of the Islamic world presented in such a way as to make that world vulnerable to military aggression." - Edward Said

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EntheogenicPeace said:
zappaisgod: [Whatever you say. I didn't know that was a common fascist tactic. Gotta link? You spout the same shit as Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky, both of whom are marginalized. So, ipso facto, you are marginalized. I have no idea what the rest of the world thinks, I know what happens here. I also know most Americans can't identify the Vice President by name. So what?]

You say my views are marginalized, and then proceed to acknowledge that you have no idea what the rest of the world thinks. How can you possibly say with any degree of certainty that my views are marginalized when you yourself admit you are oblivious to how most of the world thinks and feels?

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zappaisgod: [I would love to see a link for any of this alleged military and economic support for S. Africa.]

Certainly...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html

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Don't be pretentious; I was just asking a question. I'll do some reading on all of those, but none of them look too recent. Do we no longer have a policy of genocide or something?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas

...and I would not use the term genocide, personally. certainly, mass murder, torture, assassination, terrorism, etc fit better.

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I just can't stand it when people take actual words with meaning and turn them into buzz-words that end up meaning whatever they want them to mean. Misusing the word genocide downplays what genocide actually is, and the situations in which is has occurred.

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Israel has never attempted any adventurism, despite the lies of the Muslims. They are the ones dedicated to the eradication of a whole people

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[I don't live in the rest of the world, I live here, and I know that your views are marginalized here, in America. Where do you live? If you also live here then YOU don't know what the rest of the world thinks any more than I do. ]

I don't know what the rest of the world thinks any more than you do? LOL... coming from someone who think a majority of Arabs in the world condemn Hezbollah...

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Mythical puppet governments?!?

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Just out of curiousity, have you ever talked politics with someone of Arabic descent and/or Islamic faith?

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Have you ever heard of dialouge and talking to people from different cultures and of different ethnic backrounds? I know it sounds radical to some Americans, whose knee-jerk reaction is to bomb, enslave, & exploit others around the world for profit. But it is possible to work together with others instead of beating the drum of war & singing an anthem of bigotry and misinformation.

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[You are really going to have to do better than the loon links. Sorry. What's the other one you like so much? Counterpunch? That shit just isn't going to fly mon frere.]

I know independent and foreign media sources seem crazy to you. Why leave the comforting, ethnocentrism-reaffirming lies of U.S. government propaganda delivered through its corporate mouthpieces?

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Israel has never attempted any adventurism, despite the lies of the Muslims. They are the ones dedicated to the eradication of a whole people

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Are you sure Israel has not attempted ethnic cleansing?

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If you were to leave the comfort of America and travel a bit, you would know that most people around the world are surprised to find out just how clueless most Americans are when it comes the Middle-East situation (which is relatively easy to understand considering that the White House and Capitol Hill can accurately be called 'Zionist-occupied territory').

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I stand by my assertion about the concepts of borders and land ownership not only not existing, but being fundamentally incompatible with Native American philosophy and theology.

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Your assertion is baseless. Tribes went to war over hunting grounds, implying a sense of entitlement to land and resources and subsequent denial of other's rights to that land and resources. This is even depicted in Dances With Wolves, wherein the Sioux and Pawnee tribes war - demonstrating that it is commonly understood that Native Americans fought and killed each other. For the fun of it?

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The idea the someone could "own" the land (in the form of private property) was as preposterous to them as being able to "own" the air.

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Maybe they did not have the same sense of ownership that we hold, but it still remains that they certainly did engage in a sense of belongings. Native Americans certainly did not embrace thieves, and there certainly was the distinction between whose clothing was whose, etc. etc. etc.


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Wiccan_Seeker said:
But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.

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If making someone watch South Park is a human rights violation, then human rights aren't worth upholding.

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