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poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?...
    #6016098 - 08/31/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the title of the thread might sound ludicrous to some (myself included)...however..a recent harris poll showed large majority support for unilateral surveillance (ie no legal requirement of probable cause that someone is a "suspected terrorist")...

while i strongly disagree with the majority..the poll results nevertheless raise the question of whether its time to render the legal issues irrelevant..and draft a constitutional amendment to give king george..and the people..what they want...as unpalatable as it is..IMNSHO its still better than a series of rubber stamps from the SCOTUS that have the same effect...

text of 4th amendment ..

Quote:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.




EDIT ..the last item says "become a terrorist"..since "none of the above" goes against the majority...
amend the US constitution to revoke the 4th amendment?...
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (08/31/06 05:54 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



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Edited by Annapurna1 (08/31/06 05:56 PM)

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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6016614 - 08/31/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fuckin
ridiculous


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6016640 - 08/31/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

70% of the US population doesnt think so..if were to believe the harris poll...maybe you should tell that to them...

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    #6016719 - 08/31/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (11/27/14 04:47 PM)

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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6016734 - 08/31/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I say educate yourselves and get to the top positions before it's too late. The sheep will never listen....


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6017485 - 09/01/06 05:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> a recent harris (sic) poll showed large majority support for unilateral surveillance

Wow... we must have read a different Harris report... Nowhere did I see a poll asking people if they support unilateral surveillance.

Instead, I saw a poll that asked about four specific forms of surveillance:

* expanded camera surveillance on streets and in public places
* closer monitoring of banking and credit card transactions
* law enforcement monitoring of Internet chat rooms and other forums
* monitoring of cell phones and email

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the government chipping away at the constitution... but I also don't pull smoke from the air and pretend that it is something other than smoke.


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Seuss]
    #6017514 - 09/01/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Shroomery should pool their money and buy an island in the Pacific.


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Seuss]
    #6018257 - 09/01/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
* law enforcement monitoring of Internet chat rooms and other forums





How do you all think this will affect the discourse here at the Shroomery?

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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Seuss]
    #6018528 - 09/01/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> a recent harris (sic) poll showed large majority support for unilateral surveillance

Wow... we must have read a different Harris report... Nowhere did I see a poll asking people if they support unilateral surveillance.

Instead, I saw a poll that asked about four specific forms of surveillance:

* expanded camera surveillance on streets and in public places
* closer monitoring of banking and credit card transactions
* law enforcement monitoring of Internet chat rooms and other forums
* monitoring of cell phones and email

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the government chipping away at the constitution... but I also don't pull smoke from the air and pretend that it is something other than smoke.




granted the word "unilateral" (meaning that no warrant nor court order is required) was not used in the poll...however..legal issues are being raised because king george has bypassed the court system..so the implication is still there...

theres no doubt that terrorist suspects should be kept under surveillance..but the question is who is a "terrorist suspect"...and in a civil society..only a court can be allowed to answer that question...


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6047740 - 09/10/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i think its imperative that we use the internet freely even if it stops becoming free.


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: leery11]
    #6048036 - 09/10/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i think if a known terrorist is making phone calls to a house in the states the gov't should be able to tap into that phone call.

if someone purchases 5 billion pounds of amonium nitrate and fertilizer who has NOTHING to do with farming... and then that person makes a call to some random household I'd say YEA I think the gov't should tap that call.

I do believe they should need a warrant for that ability though.

I believe in the 4th amendment and it does say "against unreasonable searches and seizures"... notice how it says UNREASONABLE and not ALL. If darkadarka jihad mohammed in the middle east is a blatant terrorist and is known to be plotting something... and darakdarka jihad calls joe schmoe in the states... and joe schmoe buys a bunch of airline tickets.. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to tap his phone calls, do you?

I don't know what kind of calls the NSA is tapping. If they're frivilously tapping calls the way the gov't was accusing people of being communists back in the day, this is unjust... but for all we know... all the calls that have been tapped have been for good reason and may have prevented your OWN FAMILY from being killed... it's quite possible

Who really knows?

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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: BrAiN]
    #6048355 - 09/10/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

aren't options 2 and 4 the same?

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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6048372 - 09/10/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

once a freedom is given away by a people,
the goverment will never give it back, without a fight.
Stand, and fight for your rights people, keep those guns
cocked, and loaded.


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Re: poll ..should the 4th amendment be revoked?... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6052774 - 09/12/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

zippoz said:
Fuckin
ridiculous



yes this poll is. Little on sided don't you think

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