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 Visigoth
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 Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? 
#601518 - 04/07/02 05:57 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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When ordering the plastic lids for canning jars from Micron Magick, it says u can drill a 3/8 in. or 1/2 in. hole in the lid for air exchange. If one was planning to use a filter disk rather than polyfill, will it be anymore risk to drill a 1/2 in. hole rather than 3/8 in. hole?? Thanks!!!!!
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#601524 - 04/07/02 06:01 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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watch out on these plastic lids
when you get them, you will notice that they dont have a seal around the top, like the regular mason jar lids do.
i used 5 of these with grain at two different spawn runs
all 10 of them got contaminated (with poly fill filter floss) while NONE of my metal seal lid w/ threaded ring got contam'd.
i've had about 1% contam rate with the metal lids and poly fill filter floss, i use about 1/4" holes. and i've had almost 100% contam with the plastics.
where you're using the filter disks (i see no reason to spend money on these myself.. personally.. when the poly fil works just as well) you might not have a problem, where the filter will be making a seal around the jar and the plastic lid
Keep this in mind anyway, this is my own experience.
i'm sure theres people here who have great luck with the plastic lids. but i threw every one of mine out
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#601585 - 04/07/02 07:48 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have had no conatms with plastic lids and no filters. Just 4 holes like metal lids on the pf-tek.
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#601593 - 04/07/02 08:06 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I did is got a 1/2 drill bit and heated the end you put in the drill motor,with a propane torch.Then I put to the plastic lid for a filter.It doesn,t crack if you melt it
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Visigoth
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#602659 - 04/08/02 09:03 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I haven't really had any problems w. contams in my jars. Even if they don't work and I get some contams, I'm willing to risk it to say goodbye to rusty lids. Anyone else use these w. good success?? thanks all!!!!
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#603076 - 04/09/02 07:24 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've used all my lids about 20 times over.
if you lay them out on paper towel, they will dry... immagine that.
what do you do, throw them in a container and forget about em?
believe me, if you properly use your equipment, it will last longer.
Im just stating what ive found, that plastic lids & polyfill filter floss filters 100% leads to contams.
and its purely due to the fact that there is no rubber ring on them.
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rebelmoon
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: cookiewhore]
#603228 - 04/09/02 10:57 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i as well have noticed less contams since i went back to using metal lids. i had maybe 30-60% contams with the plastic lids and now i have maybe 5% contams. but a lot has chnaged since then as well so i dont know if it was that only. although i *do* think that the seal is not as good on the plastic lids. it is not airtight. also rust is no big deal. it really doesnt matter. and yeah if you dry them off they dont get very rusty. metal lids! metal lids! much better! much better!
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: rebelmoon]
#603404 - 04/09/02 02:31 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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30-60% is much better than the poor poor luck i had. i had NEARLY 100%.. i threw out a few that werent even colonized just because the rest of the plastics were. but it was well over 80% i'll tell ya.
Yer right, the metal lids are about 5%.
uhm.. what are you using for filters?
i have a feeling if those micron filter or whatever from sporeworks (unnecessary) may make a better seal with the plastic lids.
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Visigoth
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: cookiewhore]
#603561 - 04/09/02 05:30 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder what in the world the problem is!!?!? Anno uses plastic lids and doesn't seem to have any problems whatsoever. I mean, granted, he's way better at this hobby than many of us, but that's a small thing that should be easily fixable somehow. Well, I guess you guys have convinced me to stick w. metal. Thanks for saving me a lot of grief and heartache!!!!
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#603861 - 04/10/02 12:02 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm on my first run with plastic lids + polyfill in a 3/8th inch hole.. 10 jars of alien substrate with zero contamination 8 days in with quite good rhizomorphic growth. We'll see how it turns out.. Maybe I'll takes some pictures and do a mini-write-up...
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rebelmoon
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#604427 - 04/10/02 02:32 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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anno has posted at least a few pics of his jars with metal lids. they werent canning jars though and therefore probably didnt have the rubber seal either...
if you have plastic lids and they are working for you then thats great but they didnt work for me. i dont know why and i said it could be to other factors as well since it was a while ago and with widemouth jars. now i use regular mouth jars (which are less prone to contams since the mouth is smaller). all the plastic lids i have are for the old jars and i didnt bother to get any more. but i alos think i am more sterile now.
if plastic lids work for you then thats good. metal lids are working for me so i dont see why i should use plastic. if you use plastic lids and are getting a high amount of contams then you might want to try out metal lids.
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#604631 - 04/10/02 06:32 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anno is actually the reason i got the plastics. i just found they diudnt work, plus the jars came with metal's anyway. all i'm saying is keep your metal ones dry and they WILL NOT rust. i guarentee.
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jeldrid
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: cookiewhore]
#604705 - 04/10/02 07:53 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a whole batch of metal lids rust from just the incubation period. How am I supposed to keep those dry? Pop em off halfway through colonization and wipe em down with a wet, dirty, and moldy rag? Of course, the rust didn't hurt at all, but still...it happened.
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: jeldrid]
#605090 - 04/11/02 06:32 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmmm.....same here with the incubator.....
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Visigoth]
#605126 - 04/11/02 07:52 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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after washing your lids-bake them in the oven to get rid of water-this will prevent rust 
mine still rusted a little-i have resorted to sandpaper to try and remove it until i can get some plastic lids,or some new metal ones-
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 Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#605219 - 04/11/02 09:48 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use a small wire bush to get the rust off the lids.
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 Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Roadkill]
#605273 - 04/11/02 10:28 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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The normal plastic BAll brand "storage" type lid was not designed to seal the jar air or water tight. The metal canning jar lids were.
Consiquently, the plastic lids leak or will "wick" minute amounts of air & water. To resolve that, simply take a few wraps around the jar threads w/teflon pipe thread tape. You can find that at any harware or building supply store.
Or, use a filter disc underneath them, which does - at least when I did it, resolved the problem.
Better yet, use bags w/sealer & filter. They are great.
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#605357 - 04/11/02 11:59 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: jeldrid]
#605677 - 04/11/02 06:42 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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dude, whats the damn humidity in your incubator.. 95%?
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 Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: cookiewhore]
#605753 - 04/11/02 08:14 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rust doesn't hurt anything, but if it bothers you, it's easy
enough to paint them.
And there's no need to monitor the humidity in an incubator.
The substrate is 95%+ but that's inside the jars, not inside
the incubator. Moisture inside of a nice warm incubator is just
an open invitation to to contams.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: MicronMagick]
#605996 - 04/12/02 01:18 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah but every tek that recommends inverting the jar lids is flawed, imho. i have never done this and usually get very fast colonization. i dont see the point if you are using a filter of some sort (disc or polyfil or tyvek).
seems like it comes diwn to this: if you use plastic lids you better wash your hands with alcohol every time you check on a colonizing jar. if you use metal lids then dont worry about it (so much). not a big concern.
and who cares about rust? it never is more than slight orange around the hole in the middle. and it comes off in the dishwasher for me./ and more importantly it doesnt affect mycelium growth or sterility one bit!
i would probably use plastic lids again if i had a box of regular sized lids but the only plastic lids i have go to my old widemouth jars (which are inferior in mine and stamets opinion -- and so many teks unanimously recommned *them* as well!). widemouth quart and pint jars make for great drinkng glasses, tho...
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 Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: WakingUpLate]
#606011 - 04/12/02 01:31 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just outta curiosity..you say paint them to keep from rusting...couldn't you, in theory, use clear nail polish???
I don't know how this would hold up AFTERWARDS when you go to sterilize 'em or PC 'em??? Anyone know if this will work??
I HATE RUSTY LIDS!!!
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: ]
#606029 - 04/12/02 02:09 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose it could work. Not all paint is the same nor is all nail
polish. I guess the way to find out is to try it.
If you were a stickler for details, you'd want to use some high
temp rustolium. I have a friend that could carry some to work
and bring them back nickel plated. But rust doesn't bother me
that much. The rustier my lids get, the less of a newbie I am.
Thanks to the shroomery, I have a four cake casing right now
pinning exactly two weeks after the jars were innoc'd.
And the idea thet inverted lids are a tek flaw is incorrect. I
have tried both side by side. It makes a difference, for me
anyway. And apparenty for the guys who wrote the teks. But
I'm always testing and learning anyway.
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: WakingUpLate]
#606073 - 04/12/02 04:07 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Boy are you guys making it complicated. All you have to do is buy a new set of lids only at the store that sells the jars such as Canadian Tire. They only cost a few dollars and the set includes the rings and the inserts. I don't think you want to have your mushrooms absorbe the rust or the paint.
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cookiewhore
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Re: Plastic lid holes, 3/8 or 1/2 inch?? [Re: Orchidman]
#606109 - 04/12/02 06:02 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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or dry them off.
this is not rocket science.
Futhermore, any tek that describes inverting the lids should be disgarded as nonsense. i think these teks assume no filters are applied.
if you throw a filter in, most certainly you wnat to use the rubber rings on the lids, or else this would defeat the total purpose of the filter
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