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White Men In America
#6014774 - 08/31/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Other than the few white men in America who have political power (Cheney, Rove, Bush & Rumsfeld) and the guys in corporate (HAL, XOM, UTI) it appears to me the average white man in America as Rodney used to say "got no respect".
Politically, we have become incorrect. The TV keeps telling us just what bumbling fools we are while the women and gays just keep getting smarter and always were more sensitive and emotional and feeling than white men anyway. Plus, the black guys jump higher and run faster. But don't you dare tell them that some of that was in their genes.
I just don't get it. Clearly, white men still have more money than the other groups. Money usually means power but white men in America just keep losing it. Or am I missing something guys, do you really like being PC? Is it because you are Pussy Whipped and don't get any if you aren't? You can be honest, it's just us guys here... 
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All positions of power are still held by white men. Most property and wealth is still held by white men.
You just want to hop on the "being oppressed" bandwagon, while there is no threat to the white man at all.
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The TV keeps telling us just what bumbling fools we are while the women and gays just keep getting smarter
Interesting how gays do not seem to belong to your group. Aren't the majority of gay men in the US white men?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6014866 - 08/31/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would gays belong in our group, when they are being glorified as of late. That is not what this thread is about, it's about the white males who DO NOT receive respect, and like the original poster stated, no, gays do not fit into this group. Don't try and label him a homophobe, or whatever tactic you are trying to pull, because it is dishonest and I don't like it one bit.
Okay, white, heterosexual males get no respect. I completely agree with the first post, we are told we are born into status just by our skin colour, but I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief. While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action. Now, I think affirmative action had its place and time, but that is long over. Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA. This is clear discrimination, but because it is against the white heterosexual male, it is okay.
I am not saying in general blacks have it easy, but with all due respect, they create MANY of their own problems.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6014888 - 08/31/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But as Wiccan said, white men still do have a lot of power. Considering that statistically, white men earn more than any other group, have a higher level education, and hold more positions of power.
Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: badchad]
#6014904 - 08/31/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would tend to blame our Liberal media. We are made out to be bafoons, or goofy, or uncool, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6014906 - 08/31/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It seems fairly typical for people to blame the "liberal media" around here.
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So therefore my point has no validity? Okay, good argument.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6014927 - 08/31/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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or whatever tactic you are trying to pull
I'm not trying to pull a tactic. This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded. They are white men too.
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I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief
Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?
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While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action.
Have you missed how affirmative action is nearly universally vomitted upon, and how most "minority male" accomplishments are attributed to that, rather than them succeeding in life? Don't call affirmative action a head start: it is a rather poor method to try reintegrate oppressed groups into society. Yup, slay me for saying that.
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Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA.
If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.
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Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.
That sounds more reasonable.
Your nation is in a transition process from being a racist society (exploitation of every race on the planet by the white man) to a multicultural society where opportunities are equal for those of equal ability. To do so, the balance should be changed in several ways which seem artificial, but they are because they are meant to undo an artificial situation.
If this transition is complete, every single american will reap the benefits of their entire nation being more productive and economically rubust.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6014934 - 08/31/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe thats the way we want the minorities to think. Keep in mind that fidelity rates among women are now worse than that of men...
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6014938 - 08/31/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, I'll just add my own $0.02 in here. I'm a white male. Although my school does not have an "official" affirmative action policy (at least that I am aware of) when I applied to graduate school I was a more attractive candidate. This was due to the fact that there were so many women, and non-americans applying, as an american born white-male, I was in the minority.
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I think it should be clarified that the white males that are really being screwed over are low to lower-middle class. They receive few of the benefits received by their minority "economic class-mates" in job and educational placement. If Affirmative Action is to be allowed to exist, it needs to drop the racial qualifiers and begin looking at economic status.
So, I believe a better statement is: "Thus, you could probably say that if you're a middle to upper class white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault."
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6014969 - 08/31/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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or whatever tactic you are trying to pull
I'm not trying to pull a tactic. This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded. They are white men too.
Why do you leave out the rest of what I said. It is not the white gay men who are portrayed in this negative manner. The original poster said it, as I have now just repeated. Now, will I have to state this again? Oh by the way, that's cute how you imply that I don't believe gays are white men too, of course they are, you just pulled the same tactic trying to make me out as a biggot who thinks less of gays.
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I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief
Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?
Fair enough, I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.
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While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action.
Have you missed how affirmative action is nearly universally vomitted upon, and how most "minority male" accomplishments are attributed to that, rather than them succeeding in life? Don't call affirmative action a head start: it is a rather poor method to try reintegrate oppressed groups into society. Yup, slay me for saying that.
No, I agree for the most part, affirmative action is ludicrous for the very reason if the participants do succeed, it will always be seen as with "help". That is not a healthy way to integrate people. Not to mention giving jobs to less skilled people, based on their skin colour. That is discrimination if I've ever heard it.
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Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA.
If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.
Once again, the original poster and myself are not referring to the elitist 1% at the very top. We are talking about the majority of white men, who are average Joe's, like myself, and every other white guy I know.
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Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.
That sounds more reasonable.
Your nation is in a transition process from being a racist society (exploitation of every race on the planet by the white man)
My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant. First off I am from Canada, and my country has never enslaved a people. Second off every race has been enslaved at one time in history or another. It was the WHITE MAN who abolished it. Did you know slavery is still practiced today? Guess what, it's not the evil white man doing it either. Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.
to a multicultural society where opportunities are equal for those of equal ability. To do so, the balance should be changed in several ways which seem artificial, but they are because they are meant to undo an artificial situation.
If this transition is complete, every single American will reap the benefits of their entire nation being more productive and economically rubust.
I would just like to thank you for posting that, as it proves my point to how white men are portrayed.
No white man today, has EVER owned a slave. Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6015004 - 08/31/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Perhaps I should have clarified white heterosexual men. Gays have far more respect.
As for positions of power and real money, I also excluded politicians and the money men from my original post.
What I am talking about here is how society and the world views white heterosexual middle class or lower class men in America. I tell ya we get no respect. I don't feel oppressed but I sure don't feel respected.
The trend has been changing from full respect to some respect to no respect over the past 100 years and it is of some concern.
I have been personally involved with affirmative action in having to spend many hours and dollars attending AA classes, filling out all the required paperwork, advertising as ordered by the State of California to find a minority contractor who would also be given a 5% preference on his bid versus a non-minority (caucasion, white probably heterosexual man how many sheet metal guys are gay?) contractor. The interesting part is that we got zero zip nada responses to advertising in very specific magazines intended to attract minority contractors. The system DOESN'T work unless your definition of work is to waste time and money. And of course is totally discriminatory against the white person.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6015063 - 08/31/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded.
I was referring to the threadstarting post with this.
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I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.
And that sucks every bit as hard as any other form of racism. Racism has got to go, hence clumsy attempts like affirmative action.
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My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant.
I don't think thats irrelevant 
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First off I am from Canada,
LOL, like the teacher said: "don't assume or you'll make an ASS out of U and ME" and indeed, I assumed you were USA, my bad 
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Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.
I said exploitation. How about the genocide on the Native Americans, the inhuman exploitation of the "chinamen" in the old west and the negro concentration camps called plantations? Thats the other 3 of the 4 major races. America was built on racist exploitation, and now it has to learn to deal with equal opportunity.
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No white man today, has EVER owned a slave.
Nonsense. There are many cases of borderline slavery but there still is true slavery, its just covert and well-hidden. Think for instance of asian women who get lured to the west with beautiful promises, only to end up in some brothel to "work off the debt" or some other BS, under constant threat and sometimes literally chained to the bed.
South Africa is swarming with white people who have been slaveowners during our lifetime, by any reasonable definition. I'm talking about people being deported from a township to some farmer who worked them to death for rediculously low "wages", who were prohibited to set foot off their "boss'" land, and who saw their family often less than a week a year.
In the times of US slavery, it was common that slaves earned a small sum to buy their freedom later in life. See the similarities?
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Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.
Shall we discuss the gut-wrenching exploitation of the Third World by the big corporations? Slavery never really stopped, Alpha.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6015093 - 08/31/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is exploitation of third world countries the fault of an average white male, though?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
#6015143 - 08/31/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ALL OF THE WORLDS BIGGEST PROBLEMS COME FROM WHITE AMERICA.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A common excuse thrown around here.
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This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
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To say that white men are oppressed seems accurate however I would have to make the assertion oppression is distributed fairly uniformly and generally circumstantial. Oppression is, shall we say, an equal opportunity employer. Of course all this silly conjecture in a a region like North America where all save the absolutely poorest populations live like kings in a global and historical context. Often this argument regarding white disenfranchisement, supported by many conservatives, is not accompanied by any solution. However when a liberal offers similar criticisms, e.g. being those directed at the war in Iraq, they are lambasted for offering no solutions. So what is your solution to this oppression of the white male? A final solution perhaps? Mayhaps we could stop women from voting. I believe, as stated above, that we do have a serious problem with oppressive forces, however to claim these are exclusively related to race, fails to consider origins not to mention the serious implication insofar as how they are having fundamental impacts upon human culture.
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If i might add... As much as I like colloquialisms, whenever you use a term like "pussy whipped" to make your argument, you have pretty much failed.
Feminism portrays white men as bumbling idiots in the movies and on television?!?!? Seriously!?!?! Television and the movies are the absolute lowest common denominator. Maybe you could stop watching so much television, engage in actual relationships with people and stop basing your opinions of the world upon some mediated form of ridiculous entertainment.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6015188 - 08/31/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded.
I was referring to the threadstarting post with this.
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I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.
And that sucks every bit as hard as any other form of racism. Racism has got to go, hence clumsy attempts like affirmative action.
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My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant.
I don't think thats irrelevant 
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First off I am from Canada,
LOL, like the teacher said: "don't assume or you'll make an ASS out of U and ME" and indeed, I assumed you were USA, my bad 
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Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.
I said exploitation. How about the genocide on the Native Americans, the inhuman exploitation of the "chinamen" in the old west and the negro concentration camps called plantations? Thats the other 3 of the 4 major races. America was built on racist exploitation, and now it has to learn to deal with equal opportunity.
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No white man today, has EVER owned a slave.
Nonsense. There are many cases of borderline slavery but there still is true slavery, its just covert and well-hidden. Think for instance of asian women who get lured to the west with beautiful promises, only to end up in some brothel to "work off the debt" or some other BS, under constant threat and sometimes literally chained to the bed.
South Africa is swarming with white people who have been slaveowners during our lifetime, by any reasonable definition. I'm talking about people being deported from a township to some farmer who worked them to death for ridiculously low "wages", who were prohibited to set foot off their "boss'" land, and who saw their family often less than a week a year.
In the times of US slavery, it was common that slaves earned a small sum to buy their freedom later in life. See the similarities?
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Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.
Shall we discuss the gut-wrenching exploitation of the Third World by the big corporations? Slavery never really stopped, Alpha.
I understand what you are saying, but you need to separate the average white male, with the elitist white male. We make up 99% of said ratio, yet you bring up actions they participate in.
Maybe I was a bit harsh, so I am sorry for that, I just get very emotional with regards to this subject.
What about the fact, that it was white men, who were the first in the world to abolish slavery? I understand that it still goes on, but it was the white man who first recognized the ethical dilemma of this practice.
About South Africa: It was my understanding that when south Africa was first colonized, there were barely any black people in the region. Not sure about this, just something I read. Anyway, when apartheid ended, and blacks started taking control, what happened? White farmers started being murdered by the thousands, white women started being raped by the tens of thousands, etc. Then many of the white farmers were kicked of their farms. So what is the situation in South Africa today? It is the murder capitol of the world, and there is a massive food shortage.
None of that justifies the apartheid era, but when whites try and right their wrongs, look what happens.
No, we should not discuss the actions of corporations as they are not a fair assessment of white men at large. This is a common misconception in our society: Since the heads of all corporations are white, all whites are somehow born into luxury.
I guess with all the people, groups, organizations out their advocating for the rights of minorities, I am trying to advocate for the rights of the average,low-middle class white man. As it seems we have been forgotten in this fight against the Elitists.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: buckwheat]
#6015197 - 08/31/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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buckwheat said: This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
I was not aware that females ran our Media.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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buckwheat said: This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
I was not aware that females ran our Media.
Jews do, regardless if you cant see the feminism on shows like Everybody loves Raymond,Friends ect The only exception would be MTV that show Wild n Out is particularly racist
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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I think Europe is the one in the trasition phase.
USA has been multicultural for its entire existence.
Its not an easy existence, as our past and present shows, but I know not another country on the planet right now that cohesivelly exists as multiculturally (in pragmatic, ground level terms) as the USA.
The rest of the world are the ones catching up.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: buckwheat]
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buckwheat said: This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
I was not aware that females ran our Media.
Jews do, regardless if you cant see the feminism on shows like Everybody loves Raymond,Friends ect The only exception would be MTV that show Wild n Out is particularly racist
Oh I do notice the rampant feminism in the media, I was just pointing out it was not women responsible for it. I wonder why Jews want to perpetuate feminism so much. Are women even able to become rabbis? I am serious, I don't know why they promote it so much.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: buckwheat]
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Television and the movies are the absolute lowest common denominator. Maybe you could stop watching so much television, engage in actual relationships with people and stop basing your opinions of the world upon some mediated form of ridiculous entertainment.
Even still. For every bumbling ignoramus that is portrayed there is a patriarchal white male saving the day. So its an even trade. Rubbish archetype for rubbish archetype
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Re: White Men In America [Re: buckwheat]
#6015223 - 08/31/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
I agree. And lately feminism sells which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy. Now, granted there are many men at those TV stations but I can assure you most of them are wearing lacy panties.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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buckwheat said: This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
I was not aware that females ran our Media.
Jews do, regardless if you cant see the feminism on shows like Everybody loves Raymond,Friends ect The only exception would be MTV that show Wild n Out is particularly racist
Oh I do notice the rampant feminism in the media, I was just pointing out it was not women responsible for it. I wonder why Jews want to perpetuate feminism so much. Are women even able to become rabbis? I am serious, I don't know why they promote it so much.
I dont know i rejected the idea of feminism as a little kid in school. I dont know how any man can not accept but actually promote it. I think there is a conspiracy but it is not racial it is against the middle class which happens to be white majority. Same thing with the trying to make us accept illegal immigration.
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LunarEclipse said: Perhaps I should have clarified white heterosexual men. Gays have far more respect.
Ever had your ass kicked for being a straight white guy? Cuz I know gays who've been beaten senseless just for being gay. And this is in California, not some backwoods town in Alabama. Gays are still one of the most persecuted minorities in the US. The worst treatment most straight white people get over their race is a little ridicule by black stand-up comedians, or unflattering portrayals in a few movies.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
#6015286 - 08/31/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: Perhaps I should have clarified white heterosexual men. Gays have far more respect.
Ever had your ass kicked for being a straight white guy? Cuz I know gays who've been beaten senseless just for being gay. And this is in California, not some backwoods town in Alabama. Gays are still one of the most persecuted minorities in the US. The worst treatment most straight white people get over their race is a little ridicule by black stand-up comedians, or unflattering portrayals in a few movies.
I understand your point, but we are talking about mainly, portrayal in the media. Yes, there are places where gays can get beat up, just like there are places white strait guys can get beat up(the ghetto). The gay pride parade just happened recently in Toronto, it attracted over 2 million people.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
#6015316 - 08/31/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whites get more then just sterotypical comments from comedians:
By TOM HELD and JAMES H. BURNETT III of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: July 10, 2002
A group of youths pummeled at least a half dozen people leaving Summerfest on Sunday night, in a series of attacks that witnesses described as racially motivated. Milwaukee Police Chief Arthur Jones, however, said the attacks appeared random.
Random like Mardi Gras, zebra, black spring break, Cincinnati, Central Park, etc.
Victims were punched, kicked and knocked to the ground by a group of young men ranging in age from 14 to 20. Most of the victims were white, based on the police reports and witness accounts, but included a black youth who was attacked near the U.S. Bank tower Sunday night.
The involvement of two non-White officers in the recent beating of a violent black thug in Inglewood did not deter the media from labeling the incident racial, nor did it deter the anti-White FBI from opening a civil rights investigation. Yet the mistaken attack of a mulatto in the dark is reason enough for the 'authorities' to declare the attacks were non-racial.
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Jones confirmed that police investigated reports that a small group of young black men accosted and assaulted people at the festival on two nights.
One of the victims, Justin Mooney, described his plight as "wrong place, wrong time, wrong color." Mooney, 17, said a group of eight to 12 young men attacked him and his friend, Scott Riddle, as they walked with Riddle's mother, Diane, along E. Michigan St., near N. Jefferson St. Riddle said she noticed the group of young men as she and the two boys walked along Michigan St. toward their car. One member of the group shouted at them, "What are you looking at, white boy?' " Diane Riddle said. She, Mooney and her son continued to walk, but the young men attacked moments later. Mooney, who lives in Vernon Hills, a Chicago suburb, said the attackers punched him from behind numerous times. His face was swollen, his left ear was bleeding and his head was spotted with bumps after the attack. It was shocking to me," Mooney said. "You're talking 10 guys left and right, and finally Diane tried to cover me." Riddle said her son, Scott, also 17, jumped over a low wall to escape as three of the young men started punching him. She screamed at the assailants to stop and pushed into the crowd and covered Mooney to protect him from the blows. In words stronger than the other witnesses', Riddle described the attack as racially motivated. "I just think this unprovoked assault was a hate crime against a white kid, and everybody's afraid to say that," Riddle said
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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Gays are still one of the most persecuted minorities in the US
And more than likely white men picking on the gays. Shame on them.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6015341 - 08/31/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Didn't you know, only white people can commit hate crimes.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6015365 - 08/31/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Riddle described the attack as racially motivated. "I just think this unprovoked assault was a hate crime against a white kid, and everybody's afraid to say that," Riddle said
Sure, they don't want to further offend black people.
It just sucks that we all have to pretend that black people aren't racist as we watch Louis Farrakon, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee and the NAACP et al parade the race card around ad nauseum.
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KKK, Nazi = racist scum, rightfully so.
Black panthers, nation of Islam = righteous organizations.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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KKK, Nazi = racist scum, rightfully so.
Black panthers, nation of Islam = riotous organizations.
Riotous or righteous or both?
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oops, LOL
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Re: White Men In America [Re: georgeM]
#6015400 - 08/31/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what is your solution to this oppression of the white male?
Who said I had a solution?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I am certain any solution would be deemed racist, no matter how reasonable.
This is why multicultural societies DON'T work. Through out history, time and time again, they fail. There is always animosity between races, who are unfortunately often divided by class. Who knows though, maybe now that we are more enlightened, we can make something work. Given our current situation, I am highly skeptical of the idea that we will ever live in harmony.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6015436 - 08/31/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: KKK, Nazi = racist scum, rightfully so.
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Black panthers, nation of Islam = righteous organizations.
Mostly disagree. The original Black Panthers did not have an anti-white ideology. They simply believed that socialism was the way to liberate black people(not that I agree, but it's not racist to believe such a thing). The Nation of Islam are a bunch of racists who killed Malcom X after he started becoming more tolerant. And the so-called "New Black Panthers" are similarly racist.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: This is why multicultural societies DON'T work. Through out history, time and time again, they fail.
The Roman Empire lasted a lot longer than either of our countries has been around. If you know anything about the Roman empire, you'll know that it was very multicultural.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
#6015478 - 08/31/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, and that is essentially why it fell, when push came to shove, they could not unite in the way a racially homogeneous society can. With that said, I think multiculturalism COULD work, but not under these circumstances, where one race was originally a slave class.
Black panthers are not racist? PAHLEAZZE, I wasn't born yesterday, I've read some of their books.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: Yeah, and that is essentially why it fell
Nigga please! ALL empires fall. But the Roman Empire lasted more than a thousand years in the west and two thousand in the east. Do you know how fucking long 2000 years is? England isn't that old. Rome was multicultural from the beginning, and yet it flourished for 2000 years.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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ummm maybe I'm wrong on this one, but I think your numbers are quite exaggerated. Yes, Rome was founded 753 BC, but I would not call a few farmers an empire. So we will start from a more reasonable date. 450 BC sounds more reasonable, when Rome started its expansion. Then in 395 AD the empire was split into east and west. Do you think this would have happened if they were all the same race? The Western portion falls, and with it, the Roman Empire. The Eastern empire is now known as they byzantine empire, which is a different empire all together.
England has been around much longer than the Roman Empire lasted.
Same with China, and Japan, and Russia. What do these places have in common?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I say get over your dam self, white people bring all this shit on themselves by interjecting a certain attitude,
I am half white/half asian male, I was strictly brought up on my white side of the family, as I had no connection to my asian half,
my white family pretty much treated me as a regular human being, and I wasn't aware that I was any different from anyone else, I grew up listening to classic rock, and pretty much only new the white culture that I grew up in,
but then I moved up north and the state I started living in was more liberal, but the weird thing was I started feeling some static for the first time from white people, this was a new thing to me for all the white people I was around treated me like anyone else. It was for like about whole year in which I started to realize that I was not perceived as an equal anymore, in fact I felt that their was something wrong with me for like a whole year, cause I couldn't figure out why white people were hatin on me,
but as I became more aware of the history of America and how asians are perceive I started gravitating away from white culture and into more of black culture, for some reason I started gravitating towards hip hop and hanging around blacks because thats where I felt more accepted sense I didn't really have a distinct race.
The funny thing about it is my last name is Duke, and my ancestors are from the south, in which my past ancestors were plantation owners
I met a black kid with the same last name who's his ancestors were slaves of mine, we were like distant cousins, we became best friends and hung out alot, doing nothing but getting in trouble and smoking weed,
As for my family in the south, they kicked it with blacks, but were still racial and referred to blacks as niggers was common, the funny thing about it was that I think that really the states up north were more racial but more covert about it. As for the south, everyone had the southern hospitality thing going, and everyone treated each other alright,
The reason why whites don't get any respect is because they bring it on themselves point blank, they interject the race card, and so everyone has to get defensive, they are the ones that first introduced it to me, it wasn't the blacks, or the Mexicans or any other race, shoot I think of late, that racism has actually grown a little bit which is kind of scary,
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Re: White Men In America [Re: capliberty]
#6015586 - 08/31/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We bring on beatings by interjecting a certain attitude. Sounds fair to me.
Did you read that story of the 2 boys and the mother, tell me, what attitude were they interjecting when they were trying to get to their car with out being beaten 17 on 3?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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is that any excuse to carry on some irrational stigma, I mean your probably talking about blacks ganging up on whites right, I've had that done to me before, I've had 5 blacks corner me in a room, one had pulled a knife on me, and was trying to jack me for my wallet, stuff happens,
but whatever you make your enemy becomes your enemy, I've seen the synchronicity of racism, as I used to also hang out with this white kid from Texas who has a swastika on his should, he kept talking about niggers, nigger this, nigger that, but I kept saying man, you need to stop doing that, and sure enough, he gets pistol whipped by some blacks who then proceeded to steal his wallet and was tempted put a cap in his ass, and it was a random freak thing that it happened to him, everyones need to understand their part, and stop indulging in the ignorance and self pride, I don't know what else I can say about it, I mean your not responsible for you being who your are, no one knows why theres whites created, or blacks created, or asians created, so why take so much ownership in who you are, you or anyone else had no control in how you became in to existence, its stupid to have all this race pride, how about having human pride.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: capliberty]
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So are you saying the 2 white boys and mother were closet Nazi's and somehow deserved their fate? I refuse to accept that in general white people deserve what ever they get, based on the past. That is the attitude of MANY minorities who have told me first hand(I have quite candid discussions with my non-white friends about these issues).
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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No you have to judge each case indivdually, No one deserves to get treated unfairly based on race.
But freak things will happen due to the past,
I don't think any group should be unfairly persecuted obviously, and that includes whites, but I still think we need to evolve beyond the stigmas of all this group pride, shoot I think we should have more interracial marriages, I think its good for gene pool. Also everybody will be getting treated fairly if everybodys mixed, lol
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I don't want to come between this, but I'm going to anyway.
Why is is that white people always and without exception classify a mixed-race person to belong with the non-white race thats half of his bloodline?
Thats interjecting the racecard, and you're kinda doing that here alpharedecho, you immediately shove capliberty away as belonging to the "other side".
Thats precisely the thing he talked about a few posts up.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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Yeah wiccan not only is it half my blood line, its also pretty much my whole cultural background, I have only a little bit of Asian influence, I am essentially white in every way except half of my Asian side. Thats why it makes me more frustrated and pissed off when feeling this friction with some these white people that I've encountered in my past, I remember really being upset about it, I just couldn't understand how I could be alienated because essentially I felt that I should be accepted by all whites. But now I've accepted being a non-white as you say, I've accepted this perception but I do think its unfortunate that I have this altered perception because know I pretty much take on the role as a non white, which I don't really care anymore, but people that look at me like I shouldn't belong or something still pisses me off.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: Then in 395 AD the empire was split into east and west. Do you think this would have happened if they were all the same race?
Yes, and I don't see why you think it wouldn't. Can you provide any credible reason why it would do such a thing? Or is it some magical explanation where mixing different skin colors somehow incurrs God's wrath?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Honestly, I think the US is doing quite fine, regardless of ethnic diversity.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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Why is is that white people always and without exception classify a mixed-race person to belong with the non-white race thats half of his bloodline?
You must have missed the change. We have been instructed by black people to call anyone who is part black African American. Nigger or mulatto was no good, colored was OK for a while, black is still OK but better yet the African American title was the BLACK peoples idea.
Anyway, be that as it may, why does Tiger Woods consider himself African American when he is half Asian? Shouldn't he be African Asian American? Or did the white man classify him that way?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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Honestly, I think the US is doing quite fine, regardless of ethnic diversity.
You do? Honestly?
We are in debt up to our necks, we are in an unwinnable war that virtually promises to expand, the housing market and hence the economy looks on the verge of a decline, and politically I can't imagine a worse time other than the likely future.
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Which current unwinnable war are you referring to?
The War On Terrorism The War On Drugs Iraq campaign Afghanistan canpaign
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6016033 - 08/31/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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All of the above.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6016053 - 08/31/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I don't want to come between this, but I'm going to anyway.
Why is is that white people always and without exception classify a mixed-race person to belong with the non-white race thats half of his bloodline?
Thats interjecting the racecard, and you're kinda doing that here alpharedecho, you immediately shove capliberty away as belonging to the "other side".
Thats precisely the thing he talked about a few posts up.
Please point out where I said capliberty belongs to the "other side". Please do not put words into my mouth.
The answer to your question is quite simple. He is not white, he is not Asian, but rather 1/2 white, 1/2 Asian. To say he is one over the other is inaccurate. Just like you don't call someone black when they are 1/2 black, and 1/2 white.
What part of this concept are you having trouble grasping?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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Yes, and I don't see why you think it wouldn't. Can you provide any credible reason why it would do such a thing? Or is it some magical explanation where mixing different skin colors somehow incurrs God's wrath?
No I can't, just my opinion. So you don't think, that if all the people of the empire were Roman by ethnicity, that the empire might not have split up?
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Honestly, I think the US is doing quite fine, regardless of ethnic diversity.
You do? Honestly?
We are in debt up to our necks, we are in an unwinnable war that virtually promises to expand, the housing market and hence the economy looks on the verge of a decline, and politically I can't imagine a worse time other than the likely future.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Well I will add the racial tensions that your country is facing. To deny them is just being stupid, you have blacks looking for reparations, Mexicans raising their flag on YOUR soil, ETC. I am not giving an opinion on my stance on these things(I bet you could guess anyway )I'm just stating the tensions.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I would say split and fall of Rome had a whole lot to do with being overextended militarily and territorially (sound familiar?).
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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True enough, but say(HYPOTHETICALLY) half of America was white(say east) and half was black(west). Now, one side is being over run, what would the other side do? Help, or break of ties and protect themselves? Keep in mind, both sides have limited resources, etc. Now take the same country, but have it filled with all the same race, what would happen?
You catch my drift, or am I just imagining things?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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If one half was white and the other half wasn't, the whites would colonize and "civilize" the other half.
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Bah, let go of the past. There are people who still take slaves today in Africa. I would be inclined to assume that it would be the black side that would "enslave" the white side.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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You are punishing white people for developing technology. Had Africa become more advanced quicker, I'm pretty sure they would have been the slave takers.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I don't give a fuck about slaves here or elsewhere. I'm just saying exactly what would happen.
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Its a pretty controversial point but I see any race that takes the slaves of their captors usually has a feeling that the other race is in some way *inferior* if the slaves live up to that concept of inferiority is a possibility.
But this argument is a bit semantical.
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Not if the black side had superior technology. Then what would happen Redstorm?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Then the whites would most likely get pwned.
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alpharedecho said: Bah, let go of the past. There are people who still take slaves today in Africa. I would be inclined to assume that it would be the black side that would "enslave" the white side.
Its a pretty controversial point but I see any race that takes the slaves of their captors usually has a feeling that the other race is in some way *inferior* if the slaves live up to that concept of inferiority is a possibility.
But this argument is a bit semantical.
Well if I sailed to a place on a giant boat, and saw a bunch of people who hadn't invented the wheel yet, I would feel a bit Superior too. I feel like such an ass saying it, but at least it's the truth. I am sorry if I am offending anyone, that is not my intent.
What if a bunch of African's sailed to Europe, saw a bunch of white guys living in huts? Do you think the African's would see them as their equals? If you say yes, you are delusional, no ifs ands or buts.
The white man is chastised simply because he developed Superior technology first. If anyone other race developed technology faster, it would be the other way around. Only I am not certain slavery would be abolished yet.(Only saying this because Slavery is still legal in some African countries).
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: Then the whites would most likely get pwned.
By the invading blacks.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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For all intents and purposes the Iraqi people are essentially the US military's slaves due to our superior technology in design, production and utilization of weaponry. Nothing has changed from the Roman Empire to the taking of slaves to the US to the present.
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Most likely. I can't say for sur, but probably.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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That's right! 
Anyway, my point on this is, white man had technology first, made some mistakes with it. Now trying to correct them, but I don't think people will ever let us off the hook for the actions of our great*X grandfathers. It sucks, especially since I had nothing to do with it.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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You don't have to preach to me; I agree. I was just saying what would happen in your hypothetical situation.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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I see, well then, we are in agreement!
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
#6016294 - 08/31/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Would the other half wear bling-bling and have spinning rims on their chariots?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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No, I don't, and I can't see any rational reason how that would have anything to do with it. China, which you spoke of earlier, went through several different dynasties, and spent a good portion of their history under Mongol rule. Should I then attribute this instability to their racial homogeny? Did racial homogeny also lead to the Cultural Revolution? Or could it be that race has nothing to do with it, and that power struggles are a universal phenomenon?
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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You are missing the point, the revolutions that occurred with China were internal. The Roman Empire collapsing was largely due to external reasons. When push came to shove, the Eastern side(which was of different ethnicities) said "okay, fuck them, secure our borders".
If you can't see that that may not have happened if they were all one people(ethnically) then you are a lost caused. Another victim of our Liberal Media. Humans are a tribal people, they identify with those like them, whether you like it or not. Although in this day and age, it could be possible to live together in harmony, but only if we cut the bullshit and talk real talk. Not this PC pussy footing that goes on in fear of "offending" someone.
Keep in mind, that our countries are FILLED with people who hold more loyalty to their homeland than the USA or CANADA. This is immeasurably dangerous.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I think you need to brush up on your history. The empire split because of internal power struggles, which led to two different emperors with two different areas. It had nothing to do with race. The center of power shifted to the east, and the Western empire was not able to continue defending itself from invaders. The fact that the Eastern empire did not save them had more to do with political differences than with ethnic ones.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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Rome fell for many reasons, Political turmoil like Silversoul says was a contributing factor. However economically Rome was declining as well. Roman currency degraded the farther away it was from Rome. Outside invaders like the Gauls and Celts sacked Rome a few times.
Only the Byzantine's lasted till the 1400's.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: I think you need to brush up on your history. The empire split because of internal power struggles, which led to two different emperors with two different areas. It had nothing to do with race. The center of power shifted to the east, and the Western empire was not able to continue defending itself from invaders. The fact that the Eastern empire did not save them had more to do with political differences than with ethnic ones.
You are correct, but my point is maybe those political differences might not have been so pronounced, if they are a racially homogeneous society. I am not trying to prove anything, this is simply my opinion.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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If "if's" and "but's" were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas it would be.
I'm sure you realize how irrelevant opinions are here unless backed by fact.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
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I'm sure you realize how irrelevant opinions are here unless backed by fact.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.
I disagree. The average joe is a bum. A very small portion of white men hold power and/or wealth. True power or wealth anyhow.
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You haven't been here lately huh? We're just as racist as ever. A bit less overt perhaps, but we still got it. The blacks and browns have taken are place with the blatant racism.
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Is that a commandment, or denial?
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Elaborate on the suspossed existance of this agenda.
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Men do not have sexual relations with other men.
bah humbug. And divided we fall.
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I disagree. The average joe is a bum. A very small portion of white men hold power and/or wealth. True power or wealth anyhow.
These differences occur in all groups, but the white group is the most powerful of these. Yes, the average white man is better off than the average black man.
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You haven't been here lately huh? We're just as racist as ever.
I know that, but the transition to a multicultural society isnt a voluntary thing. Either that happens or the USA crumbles to dust, and the powers that be know that. There is no racist solution to America's problems, if there was you would definitely try that first. Affirmative action is an attempt to cushion the blow for all involved.
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Part of the transition.
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"homosexualism"? And how about the "heterosexualism" thats 99% of the pie? What exactly is homosexualism? Do you mean depiction of homosexual characters or "promotion of homosexuality"? Anyone who can be made gay by watching a movie, should be gay 
If you don't like to deal with homosexual stuff, it's your job to find a way in which you can gracefully ignore it, because its a fact of life. You don't have to partake in it but you will from time to time be confronted with it.
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If you don't like to deal with homosexual stuff, it's your job to find a way in which you can gracefully ignore it, because its a fact of life. You don't have to partake in it but you will from time to time be confronted with it.
Thanks Wiccan for helping to make my initial point that White Heterosexual Middle to Lower Class Men In America continue to lose respect and power. The points you have made here about society expecting everyone to be politically correct towards gays correlate well.
White Heterosexual Middle to Lower Class Men In America are EXPECTED to be politically correct towards gays, women and other minorities even as these groups continue to take more political power away from the WHMTLCMIA. They are "gracefully ignore it" or even to laugh along when Will and Grace comes on, or when WHMTLCMIA are made to look like buffoons in other TV shows and movies.
While many WHMTLCMIA seem to be good with losing respect and political power, I personally am not.
And frankly, get a little tired of "being confronted" by it.
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Part of the transition
Transition as in healthy and normal transition? So reverse racism is OK then? And eye for an eye so to speak? Shall the White Man in America be forever indebted to the slavery of the past? Apparently you think so and that makes it OK for black people to be racist?
Quite disturbing if true.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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There is no racist solution to America's problems
In this context, what are the problems that are specifically American? I'm curious how they materialize when veiwed through a telescope...
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The points you have made here about society expecting everyone to be politically correct towards gays correlate well.
The way you describe it, sounds a lot like that respect for others for you does not come naturally. You call tolerance towards gays "being politically correct" as if its some alien thing. Homosexuals are a reality. The right to expression is universal. Visible elements of the homosexual lifestyle are therefore unavoidable, and you can't force that back into obscurity, unless you are willing to suspend democracy.
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And frankly, get a little tired of "being confronted" by it.
If you get tired of being confronted with reality, may I suggest heroin? The world is changing, whether or not you can keep up.
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Transition as in the process your society is in, like it or not. Your society is changing by itself, various parties try to steer the change to their direction, but the change is happening.
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So reverse racism is OK then? And eye for an eye so to speak? Shall the White Man in America be forever indebted to the slavery of the past? Apparently you think so and that makes it OK for black people to be racist?
Obviously you have not read or understood the posts I wrote in this thread.
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There have been homosexuals for ages. The fact that it is now being pushed to the forefront of society for everyone to see is going to bother some people. It is being shoved down our throats, which I do not agree with. I think they should go back to keeping their private matters private. Not marching down the street, half naked, kissing, in leather outfits, for our children to see. We would not accept that from a straight couple.
With that said, I think they should have all the rights I have, and be able to be themselves with out fear of violence. Just stop rubbing our faces in the fact that "you're here, you're queer, we had better get used to it". I don't have to get used to anything I don't want to, that's MY right.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: We would not accept that from a straight couple.
Why not? I think we should all parade around the streets half-naked...
Perhaps if they had not been discriminated agansit so blatantly, they would not feel the need to parade in the streets.
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Just stop rubbing our faces in the fact that "you're here, you're queer, we had better get used to it". I don't have to get used to anything I don't want to, that's MY right.
And it is their right to do what they are doing. Choose to not get used to it and leave it at that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with being proud that one identifies with something and making a point of celebrating it. Perhaps if we all celebrated ourselves and life itself, things would be a lot better off.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6024491 - 09/03/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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various parties try to steer the change to their direction
Yes, and these "parties" such as gays and blacks and women have been quite successful at gaining political power while the average white man keeps losing. The fact that you suggest I "do heroin if I can't deal with reality" means to me you don't even consider the average white man to be a valid party with the right to try to steer the change to OUR direction. Other average white men like me think it's time we try to retake the wheel. We just gotten lazy watching Nascar etc. and let others drive us off in THEIR direction.
You wiccan in particular with your attitude and statements has convinced me with this thread that I am definitely on to something here. Like much of society, you expect/demand that white men should show respect to gays, women and blacks while at the same time thinking white men are not being deserving of mutual respect.
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Tomorrow I am going to be celebrating Average White Man Day AKA Labor Day.
OK guys, let's all put on an apron, burn some animal flesh and drink far too much Budweiser...
That's how the average white guy in America celebrates...
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Edited by LunarEclipse (09/03/06 09:49 AM)
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Asante
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you expect/demand that white men should show respect to gays, women and blacks while at the same time thinking white men are not being deserving of mutual respect.
Thats nonsense! Where do I say that the rights of whites should not be respected? I don't say that!
What I DO say is that the average joe you're talking about has no right whatsoever to infringe on the free expression of others. He can't force entire social groups into invisibility because he doesnt like to see them.
Modern times demand that all will get equal opportunity. What will happen with that time will tell, but its completely unreasonable for Group A to dictate Group B's every move. That is the racist situation, and the world moves away from that. Freedom for ALL or no freedom at all.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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What I DO say is that the average joe you're talking about has no right whatsoever to infringe on the free expression of others. He can't force entire social groups into invisibility because he doesnt like to see them.
Where did I say I wanted to "force entire social groups into invisibility?". I didn't say that.
Gays and women and blacks and everyone else should be allowed to express themselves freely.
For example, if a gay pride parade is scheduled every Friday afternoon at 5 PM in downtown San Francisco, that's fine. The average white heterosexual man (assuming there were any in San Francisco) driving home from work will get home eventually in spite of the 10,000 gays walking down Polk St.
Let's say that by the third Friday, Joe Camel got fed up with waiting to get home because that night the big Nascar race was on. So he rolls down the window of his 1994 Chevy truck and shouts "Move you Fucking Faggots" at the crowd of 10,000.
Big mistake as some of the more dominant gays (pitchers?) surround his truck and a few of them jump up on it and their spike heel shoes damage the hood and bed of his 1994 Chevy truck.
What in your opinion should the policeman who watched this event happen do now?
Shouldn't the white guy be allowed to "express himself freely" without repercussion from the gays?
Let's assume that instead of actual damage the gays merely yelled back "Fucking Redneck" and worse as they surrounded his truck. Would they both be equally at fault or would the white guy be more Politically Incorrect therefore more culpable?
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I sense that someone is speaking of personal experience.

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Asante
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Shouldn't the white guy be allowed to "express himself freely" without repercussion from the gays?

Its a bit like shouting Fucking N*ggers in Harlem. Freedom of expression by no means is a freedom to insult. Still, the response to the insult should conform to the same laws that limit the first person.
Speaking of first person, that DOES sound a bit like its from experience.
Its a bit umm, daft, to shout "fucking faggots" to a gay pride demo
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6027565 - 09/04/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Freedom of expression by no means is a freedom to insult.
Actually, it is, unless it meets the very strict legal standard for slander or libel.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
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Actually, it is, unless it meets the very strict legal standard for slander or libel.
Thank you Silversoul.
Perhaps where Wiccan is from the freedom of expression doesn't include the freedom to insult.
Short of absolute threats I would hope that in this country at least we still have the freedom to insult.
Hell, insulting people is practically an American way of life. Used to be, anyhow.
P.S. Don't even think that my example of shouting faggot at a gay pride parade was anything but hypothetical. I may be a white man but I am not stupid. My example did illustrate that you and I have clearly different interpretations about freedom of speech and expression and what it says in the still existing Constitution.
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LunarEclipse said: P.S. Don't even think that my example of shouting faggot at a gay pride parade was anything but hypothetical.
I still think you were speaking of personal experience.
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Asante
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Perhaps where Wiccan is from the freedom of expression doesn't include the freedom to insult.
In my country it is illegal to shout "n*ggers" at black people and "f*ggots" at gays. If you make a nazi salute you can get a ticket and if you raise a swastika flag in your backyard you can go to jail.
And what a haven it is. It's called Holland. You can buy your weed and shrooms over the counter, but you leave other people alone.
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Hell, insulting people is practically an American way of life. Used to be, anyhow.
Thats very noticable. In old europe people successfully restrain themselves but in the USA it seems mandatory to let the shitstorm fly 
There is nothing good about insulting people because you can.
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I would hope that in this country at least we still have the freedom to insult.
Perhaps your freedoms are in part taken away because many of your countrymen can't handle them.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
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"I hate all prejudiced people, and the Dutch."
Sorry couldn't resist that line from Austin Powers.
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Perhaps your freedoms are in part taken away because many of your countrymen can't handle them.
Perhaps your freedoms have been taken away because your countrymen allowed them to be.
Of course the weed thing is cool.
But going to jail for raising a swastika flag in your backyard seems to me to be taking a step backwards even though I am sure the intentions are noble.
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lol at lunar....
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