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Hank, FTW
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
#6017848 - 09/01/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I think you need to brush up on your history. The empire split because of internal power struggles, which led to two different emperors with two different areas. It had nothing to do with race. The center of power shifted to the east, and the Western empire was not able to continue defending itself from invaders. The fact that the Eastern empire did not save them had more to do with political differences than with ethnic ones.
You are correct, but my point is maybe those political differences might not have been so pronounced, if they are a racially homogeneous society. I am not trying to prove anything, this is simply my opinion.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6018009 - 09/01/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If "if's" and "but's" were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas it would be.
I'm sure you realize how irrelevant opinions are here unless backed by fact.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
#6018226 - 09/01/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: If "if's" and "but's" were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas it would be.
I'm sure you realize how irrelevant opinions are here unless backed by fact.
Haha god i love that saying.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: white gay men are excluded. They are white men too.
Men do not have sexual relations with other men.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.
I disagree. The average joe is a bum. A very small portion of white men hold power and/or wealth. True power or wealth anyhow.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Your nation is in a transition process from being a racist society
You haven't been here lately huh? We're just as racist as ever. A bit less overt perhaps, but we still got it. The blacks and browns have taken are place with the blatant racism.
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buckwheat said: This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.
And Hollywoods agenda to push homosexualism.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: daimyo]
#6018640 - 09/01/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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daimyo said: Men do not have sexual relations with other men.
Is that a commandment, or denial?
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And Hollywoods agenda to push homosexualism.
Elaborate on the suspossed existance of this agenda.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: daimyo]
#6018664 - 09/01/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Men do not have sexual relations with other men.
bah humbug. And divided we fall.
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I disagree. The average joe is a bum. A very small portion of white men hold power and/or wealth. True power or wealth anyhow.
These differences occur in all groups, but the white group is the most powerful of these. Yes, the average white man is better off than the average black man.
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You haven't been here lately huh? We're just as racist as ever.
I know that, but the transition to a multicultural society isnt a voluntary thing. Either that happens or the USA crumbles to dust, and the powers that be know that. There is no racist solution to America's problems, if there was you would definitely try that first. Affirmative action is an attempt to cushion the blow for all involved.
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The blacks and browns have taken are place with the blatant racism.
Part of the transition.
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And Hollywoods agenda to push homosexualism.
"homosexualism"? And how about the "heterosexualism" thats 99% of the pie? What exactly is homosexualism? Do you mean depiction of homosexual characters or "promotion of homosexuality"? Anyone who can be made gay by watching a movie, should be gay 
If you don't like to deal with homosexual stuff, it's your job to find a way in which you can gracefully ignore it, because its a fact of life. You don't have to partake in it but you will from time to time be confronted with it.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6021855 - 09/02/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you don't like to deal with homosexual stuff, it's your job to find a way in which you can gracefully ignore it, because its a fact of life. You don't have to partake in it but you will from time to time be confronted with it.
Thanks Wiccan for helping to make my initial point that White Heterosexual Middle to Lower Class Men In America continue to lose respect and power. The points you have made here about society expecting everyone to be politically correct towards gays correlate well.
White Heterosexual Middle to Lower Class Men In America are EXPECTED to be politically correct towards gays, women and other minorities even as these groups continue to take more political power away from the WHMTLCMIA. They are "gracefully ignore it" or even to laugh along when Will and Grace comes on, or when WHMTLCMIA are made to look like buffoons in other TV shows and movies.
While many WHMTLCMIA seem to be good with losing respect and political power, I personally am not.
And frankly, get a little tired of "being confronted" by it.
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Part of the transition
Transition as in healthy and normal transition? So reverse racism is OK then? And eye for an eye so to speak? Shall the White Man in America be forever indebted to the slavery of the past? Apparently you think so and that makes it OK for black people to be racist?
Quite disturbing if true.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6022231 - 09/02/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no racist solution to America's problems
In this context, what are the problems that are specifically American? I'm curious how they materialize when veiwed through a telescope...
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Asante
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The points you have made here about society expecting everyone to be politically correct towards gays correlate well.
The way you describe it, sounds a lot like that respect for others for you does not come naturally. You call tolerance towards gays "being politically correct" as if its some alien thing. Homosexuals are a reality. The right to expression is universal. Visible elements of the homosexual lifestyle are therefore unavoidable, and you can't force that back into obscurity, unless you are willing to suspend democracy.
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And frankly, get a little tired of "being confronted" by it.
If you get tired of being confronted with reality, may I suggest heroin? The world is changing, whether or not you can keep up.
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Transition as in healthy and normal transition?
Transition as in the process your society is in, like it or not. Your society is changing by itself, various parties try to steer the change to their direction, but the change is happening.
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So reverse racism is OK then? And eye for an eye so to speak? Shall the White Man in America be forever indebted to the slavery of the past? Apparently you think so and that makes it OK for black people to be racist?
Obviously you have not read or understood the posts I wrote in this thread.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6023540 - 09/02/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There have been homosexuals for ages. The fact that it is now being pushed to the forefront of society for everyone to see is going to bother some people. It is being shoved down our throats, which I do not agree with. I think they should go back to keeping their private matters private. Not marching down the street, half naked, kissing, in leather outfits, for our children to see. We would not accept that from a straight couple.
With that said, I think they should have all the rights I have, and be able to be themselves with out fear of violence. Just stop rubbing our faces in the fact that "you're here, you're queer, we had better get used to it". I don't have to get used to anything I don't want to, that's MY right.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6024427 - 09/03/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: We would not accept that from a straight couple.
Why not? I think we should all parade around the streets half-naked...
Perhaps if they had not been discriminated agansit so blatantly, they would not feel the need to parade in the streets.
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Just stop rubbing our faces in the fact that "you're here, you're queer, we had better get used to it". I don't have to get used to anything I don't want to, that's MY right.
And it is their right to do what they are doing. Choose to not get used to it and leave it at that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with being proud that one identifies with something and making a point of celebrating it. Perhaps if we all celebrated ourselves and life itself, things would be a lot better off.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6024491 - 09/03/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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various parties try to steer the change to their direction
Yes, and these "parties" such as gays and blacks and women have been quite successful at gaining political power while the average white man keeps losing. The fact that you suggest I "do heroin if I can't deal with reality" means to me you don't even consider the average white man to be a valid party with the right to try to steer the change to OUR direction. Other average white men like me think it's time we try to retake the wheel. We just gotten lazy watching Nascar etc. and let others drive us off in THEIR direction.
You wiccan in particular with your attitude and statements has convinced me with this thread that I am definitely on to something here. Like much of society, you expect/demand that white men should show respect to gays, women and blacks while at the same time thinking white men are not being deserving of mutual respect.
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Tomorrow I am going to be celebrating Average White Man Day AKA Labor Day.
OK guys, let's all put on an apron, burn some animal flesh and drink far too much Budweiser...
That's how the average white guy in America celebrates...
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Edited by LunarEclipse (09/03/06 09:49 AM)
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Asante
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you expect/demand that white men should show respect to gays, women and blacks while at the same time thinking white men are not being deserving of mutual respect.
Thats nonsense! Where do I say that the rights of whites should not be respected? I don't say that!
What I DO say is that the average joe you're talking about has no right whatsoever to infringe on the free expression of others. He can't force entire social groups into invisibility because he doesnt like to see them.
Modern times demand that all will get equal opportunity. What will happen with that time will tell, but its completely unreasonable for Group A to dictate Group B's every move. That is the racist situation, and the world moves away from that. Freedom for ALL or no freedom at all.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6027466 - 09/04/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I DO say is that the average joe you're talking about has no right whatsoever to infringe on the free expression of others. He can't force entire social groups into invisibility because he doesnt like to see them.
Where did I say I wanted to "force entire social groups into invisibility?". I didn't say that.
Gays and women and blacks and everyone else should be allowed to express themselves freely.
For example, if a gay pride parade is scheduled every Friday afternoon at 5 PM in downtown San Francisco, that's fine. The average white heterosexual man (assuming there were any in San Francisco) driving home from work will get home eventually in spite of the 10,000 gays walking down Polk St.
Let's say that by the third Friday, Joe Camel got fed up with waiting to get home because that night the big Nascar race was on. So he rolls down the window of his 1994 Chevy truck and shouts "Move you Fucking Faggots" at the crowd of 10,000.
Big mistake as some of the more dominant gays (pitchers?) surround his truck and a few of them jump up on it and their spike heel shoes damage the hood and bed of his 1994 Chevy truck.
What in your opinion should the policeman who watched this event happen do now?
Shouldn't the white guy be allowed to "express himself freely" without repercussion from the gays?
Let's assume that instead of actual damage the gays merely yelled back "Fucking Redneck" and worse as they surrounded his truck. Would they both be equally at fault or would the white guy be more Politically Incorrect therefore more culpable?
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I sense that someone is speaking of personal experience.

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Asante
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Shouldn't the white guy be allowed to "express himself freely" without repercussion from the gays?

Its a bit like shouting Fucking N*ggers in Harlem. Freedom of expression by no means is a freedom to insult. Still, the response to the insult should conform to the same laws that limit the first person.
Speaking of first person, that DOES sound a bit like its from experience.
Its a bit umm, daft, to shout "fucking faggots" to a gay pride demo
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
#6027565 - 09/04/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Freedom of expression by no means is a freedom to insult.
Actually, it is, unless it meets the very strict legal standard for slander or libel.
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Re: White Men In America [Re: Silversoul]
#6027655 - 09/04/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poster: Silversoul Subject: Re: White Men In America
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Actually, it is, unless it meets the very strict legal standard for slander or libel.
Thank you Silversoul.
Perhaps where Wiccan is from the freedom of expression doesn't include the freedom to insult.
Short of absolute threats I would hope that in this country at least we still have the freedom to insult.
Hell, insulting people is practically an American way of life. Used to be, anyhow.
P.S. Don't even think that my example of shouting faggot at a gay pride parade was anything but hypothetical. I may be a white man but I am not stupid. My example did illustrate that you and I have clearly different interpretations about freedom of speech and expression and what it says in the still existing Constitution.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (09/04/06 10:01 AM)
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LunarEclipse said: P.S. Don't even think that my example of shouting faggot at a gay pride parade was anything but hypothetical.
I still think you were speaking of personal experience.
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