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White Men In America
    #6014774 - 08/31/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Other than the few white men in America who have political power (Cheney, Rove, Bush & Rumsfeld) and the guys in corporate (HAL, XOM, UTI) it appears to me the average white man in America as Rodney used to say "got no respect".

Politically, we have become incorrect.  The TV keeps telling us just what bumbling fools we are while the women and gays just keep getting smarter and always were more sensitive and emotional and feeling than white men anyway.  Plus, the black guys jump higher and run faster.  But don't you dare tell them that some of that was in their genes.

I just don't get it.  Clearly, white men still have more money than the other groups.  Money usually means power but white men in America just keep losing it.  Or am I missing something guys, do you really like being PC?  Is it because you are Pussy Whipped and don't get any if you aren't?  You can be honest, it's just us guys here... :smirk:


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Re: White Men In America [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6014851 - 08/31/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All positions of power are still held by white men. Most property and wealth is still held by white men.

You just want to hop on the "being oppressed" bandwagon, while there is no threat to the white man at all.

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The TV keeps telling us just what bumbling fools we are while the women and gays just keep getting smarter




Interesting how gays do not seem to belong to your group.
Aren't the majority of gay men in the US white men?


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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6014866 - 08/31/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why would gays belong in our group, when they are being glorified as of late. That is not what this thread is about, it's about the white males who DO NOT receive respect, and like the original poster stated, no, gays do not fit into this group. Don't try and label him a homophobe, or whatever tactic you are trying to pull, because it is dishonest and I don't like it one bit.

Okay, white, heterosexual males get no respect. I completely agree with the first post, we are told we are born into status just by our skin colour, but I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief. While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action. Now, I think affirmative action had its place and time, but that is long over. Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA. This is clear discrimination, but because it is against the white heterosexual male, it is okay.

I am not saying in general blacks have it easy, but with all due respect, they create MANY of their own problems.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6014888 - 08/31/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But as Wiccan said, white men still do have a lot of power. Considering that statistically, white men earn more than any other group, have a higher level education, and hold more positions of power.

Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: badchad]
    #6014904 - 08/31/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I would tend to blame our Liberal media. We are made out to be bafoons, or goofy, or uncool, etc, etc, etc.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6014906 - 08/31/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It seems fairly typical for people to blame the "liberal media" around here. :smirk:

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Re: White Men In America [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6014914 - 08/31/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So therefore my point has no validity? Okay, good argument.  :rolleyes:


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6014927 - 08/31/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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or whatever tactic you are trying to pull




I'm not trying to pull a tactic. This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded. They are white men too.

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I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief




Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?

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While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action.




Have you missed how affirmative action is nearly universally vomitted upon, and how most "minority male" accomplishments are attributed to that, rather than them succeeding in life? Don't call affirmative action a head start: it is a rather poor method to try reintegrate oppressed groups into society. Yup, slay me for saying that.

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Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA.




If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.

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Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.




That sounds more reasonable.

Your nation is in a transition process from being a racist society (exploitation of every race on the planet by the white man) to a multicultural society where opportunities are equal for those of equal ability. To do so, the balance should be changed in several ways which seem artificial, but they are because they are meant to undo an artificial situation.

If this transition is complete, every single american will reap the benefits of their entire nation being more productive and economically rubust.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6014934 - 08/31/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

maybe thats the way we want the minorities to think.
Keep in mind that fidelity rates among women are now worse than that of men...

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6014938 - 08/31/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, I'll just add my own $0.02 in here. I'm a white male. Although my school does not have an "official" affirmative action policy (at least that I am aware of) when I applied to graduate school I was a more attractive candidate. This was due to the fact that there were so many women, and non-americans applying, as an american born white-male, I was in the minority.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6014957 - 08/31/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think it should be clarified that the white males that are really being screwed over are low to lower-middle class. They receive few of the benefits received by their minority "economic class-mates" in job and educational placement. If Affirmative Action is to be allowed to exist, it needs to drop the racial qualifiers and begin looking at economic status.

So, I believe a better statement is: "Thus, you could probably say that if you're a middle to upper class white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault."

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6014969 - 08/31/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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or whatever tactic you are trying to pull




I'm not trying to pull a tactic. This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded. They are white men too.

Why do you leave out the rest of what I said. It is not the white gay men who are portrayed in this negative manner. The original poster said it, as I have now just repeated. Now, will I have to state this again? Oh by the way, that's cute how you imply that I don't believe gays are white men too, of course they are, you just pulled the same tactic trying to make me out as a biggot who thinks less of gays.

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I have yet to see my skin colour bring me anything but grief




Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?

Fair enough, I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.

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While it is the minority male who has a head start with various social programs, such as affirmative action.




Have you missed how affirmative action is nearly universally vomitted upon, and how most "minority male" accomplishments are attributed to that, rather than them succeeding in life? Don't call affirmative action a head start: it is a rather poor method to try reintegrate oppressed groups into society. Yup, slay me for saying that.

No, I agree for the most part, affirmative action is ludicrous for the very reason if the participants do succeed, it will always be seen as with "help". That is not a healthy way to integrate people. Not to mention giving jobs to less skilled people, based on their skin colour. That is discrimination if I've ever heard it.

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Now everyone EXCEPT the white male is given preference due to AA.




If that is so, why would that be? Oh wait, because the generic heterosexual white male holds almost all the power and almost all the wealth.

Once again, the original poster and myself are not referring to the elitist 1% at the very top. We are talking about the majority of white men, who are average Joe's, like myself, and every other white guy I know.

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Thus, you could probably say that if you're a white male getting no respect, it's probably your own fault.




That sounds more reasonable.

Your nation is in a transition process from being a racist society (exploitation of every race on the planet by the white man)

My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant. First off I am from Canada, and my country has never enslaved a people. Second off every race has been enslaved at one time in history or another. It was the WHITE MAN who abolished it. Did you know slavery is still practiced today? Guess what, it's not the evil white man doing it either. Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.

to a multicultural society where opportunities are equal for those of equal ability. To do so, the balance should be changed in several ways which seem artificial, but they are because they are meant to undo an artificial situation.

If this transition is complete, every single American will reap the benefits of their entire nation being more productive and economically rubust.




I would just like to thank you for posting that, as it proves my point to how white men are portrayed.

No white man today, has EVER owned a slave. Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6015004 - 08/31/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps I should have clarified white heterosexual men. Gays have far more respect.

As for positions of power and real money, I also excluded politicians and the money men from my original post.

What I am talking about here is how society and the world views white heterosexual middle class or lower class men in America. I tell ya we get no respect. I don't feel oppressed but I sure don't feel respected.

The trend has been changing from full respect to some respect to no respect over the past 100 years and it is of some concern.

I have been personally involved with affirmative action in having to spend many hours and dollars attending AA classes, filling out all the required paperwork, advertising as ordered by the State of California to find a minority contractor who would also be given a 5% preference on his bid versus a non-minority (caucasion, white probably heterosexual man how many sheet metal guys are gay?) contractor. The interesting part is that we got zero zip nada responses to advertising in very specific magazines intended to attract minority contractors. The system DOESN'T work unless your definition of work is to waste time and money. And of course is totally discriminatory against the white person.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6015063 - 08/31/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded.




I was referring to the threadstarting post with this.

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I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.




And that sucks every bit as hard as any other form of racism.
Racism has got to go, hence clumsy attempts like affirmative action.

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My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant.




I don't think thats irrelevant :frown:

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First off I am from Canada,




LOL, like the teacher said: "don't assume or you'll make an ASS out of U and ME" and indeed, I assumed you were USA, my bad :smile:

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Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.




I said exploitation. How about the genocide on the Native Americans, the inhuman exploitation of the "chinamen" in the old west and the negro concentration camps called plantations?
Thats the other 3 of the 4 major races. America was built on racist exploitation, and now it has to learn to deal with equal opportunity.

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No white man today, has EVER owned a slave.




Nonsense. There are many cases of borderline slavery but there still is true slavery, its just covert and well-hidden. Think for instance of asian women who get lured to the west with beautiful promises, only to end up in some brothel to "work off the debt" or some other BS, under constant threat and sometimes literally chained to the bed.

South Africa is swarming with white people who have been slaveowners during our lifetime, by any reasonable definition. I'm talking about people being deported from a township to some farmer who worked them to death for rediculously low "wages", who were prohibited to set foot off their "boss'" land, and who saw their family often less than a week a year.

In the times of US slavery, it was common that slaves earned a small sum to buy their freedom later in life. See the similarities?

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Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.




Shall we discuss the gut-wrenching exploitation of the Third World by the big corporations? Slavery never really stopped, Alpha.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6015093 - 08/31/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is exploitation of third world countries the fault of an average white male, though?

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Redstorm]
    #6015143 - 08/31/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ALL OF THE WORLDS BIGGEST PROBLEMS COME FROM WHITE AMERICA.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A common excuse thrown around here.


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Re: White Men In America [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6015163 - 08/31/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.

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Re: White Men In America [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6015173 - 08/31/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To say that white men are oppressed seems accurate however I would have to make the assertion oppression is distributed fairly uniformly and generally circumstantial. Oppression is, shall we say, an equal opportunity employer.
Of course all this silly conjecture in a a region like North America where all save the absolutely poorest populations live like kings in a global and historical context.
Often this argument regarding white disenfranchisement, supported by many conservatives, is not accompanied by any solution. However when a liberal offers similar criticisms, e.g. being those directed at the war in Iraq, they are lambasted for offering no solutions. So what is your solution to this oppression of the white male? A final solution perhaps? Mayhaps we could stop women from voting.
I believe, as stated above, that we do have a serious problem with oppressive forces, however to claim these are exclusively related to race, fails to consider origins not to mention the serious implication insofar as how they are having fundamental impacts upon human culture.

georgem

If i might add... As much as I like colloquialisms, whenever you use a term like "pussy whipped" to make your argument, you have pretty much failed.

Feminism portrays white men as bumbling idiots in the movies and on television?!?!? Seriously!?!?! Television and the movies are the absolute lowest common denominator. Maybe you could stop watching so much television, engage in actual relationships with people and stop basing your opinions of the world upon some mediated form of ridiculous entertainment.

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Re: White Men In America [Re: Asante]
    #6015188 - 08/31/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
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This thread is about white men in america, and in an easy sweep the white gay men are excluded.




I was referring to the threadstarting post with this.

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I like to go to hip hop clubs because that is the music I listen to, and enjoy. I rarely feel welcome, and usually get looked down upon, for my skin colour alone.




And that sucks every bit as hard as any other form of racism.
Racism has got to go, hence clumsy attempts like affirmative action.

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My view of you just dropped heavily, but that is irrelevant.




I don't think thats irrelevant :frown:

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First off I am from Canada,




LOL, like the teacher said: "don't assume or you'll make an ASS out of U and ME" and indeed, I assumed you were USA, my bad :smile:

Quote:

Third, America did not enslave every race on the planet, that is just exaggerated non sense.




I said exploitation. How about the genocide on the Native Americans, the inhuman exploitation of the "chinamen" in the old west and the negro concentration camps called plantations?
Thats the other 3 of the 4 major races. America was built on racist exploitation, and now it has to learn to deal with equal opportunity.

Quote:

No white man today, has EVER owned a slave.




Nonsense. There are many cases of borderline slavery but there still is true slavery, its just covert and well-hidden. Think for instance of asian women who get lured to the west with beautiful promises, only to end up in some brothel to "work off the debt" or some other BS, under constant threat and sometimes literally chained to the bed.

South Africa is swarming with white people who have been slaveowners during our lifetime, by any reasonable definition. I'm talking about people being deported from a township to some farmer who worked them to death for ridiculously low "wages", who were prohibited to set foot off their "boss'" land, and who saw their family often less than a week a year.

In the times of US slavery, it was common that slaves earned a small sum to buy their freedom later in life. See the similarities?

Quote:

Yet we must be treated like we use to....while slavery goes on today.




Shall we discuss the gut-wrenching exploitation of the Third World by the big corporations? Slavery never really stopped, Alpha.




I understand what you are saying, but you need to separate the average white male, with the elitist white male. We make up 99% of said ratio, yet you bring up actions they participate in.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, so I am sorry for that, I just get very emotional with regards to this subject.

What about the fact, that it was white men, who were the first in the world to abolish slavery? I understand that it still goes on, but it was the white man who first recognized the ethical dilemma of this practice.

About South Africa: It was my understanding that when south Africa was first colonized, there were barely any black people in the region. Not sure about this, just something I read. Anyway, when apartheid ended, and blacks started taking control, what happened? White farmers started being murdered by the thousands, white women started being raped by the tens of thousands, etc. Then many of the white farmers were kicked of their farms. So what is the situation in South Africa today? It is the murder capitol of the world, and there is a massive food shortage.

None of that justifies the apartheid era, but when whites try and right their wrongs, look what happens.

No, we should not discuss the actions of corporations as they are not a fair assessment of white men at large. This is a common misconception in our society: Since the heads of all corporations are white, all whites are somehow born into luxury.

I guess with all the people, groups, organizations out their advocating for the rights of minorities, I am trying to advocate for the rights of the average,low-middle class white man. As it seems we have been forgotten in this fight against the Elitists.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: White Men In America [Re: buckwheat]
    #6015197 - 08/31/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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buckwheat said:
This is more of a product of Feminism than racism. Feminism comes from white Females so they depict white males as fools on TV and the movies.




I was not aware that females ran our Media.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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