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Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly
    #6008106 - 08/29/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam's cartoon capers Monday August 28, 08:11 AM

Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being made to watch his appearance in cult cartoon South Park while he is behind bars.

The deposed leader on trial in Iraq was featured in the movie spin-off as the lover of the devil. South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut featured Hussein and Satan attempting to take over the world together.

Speaking at the Edinburgh International Television Festival, South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone said US Marines guarding the former dictator during his trial for genocide were making him watch the movie "repeatedly".

"I have it on pretty good information from the Marines on detail in Iraq that they showed him the movie last year. That's really adding insult to injury. I bet that made him really happy," Stone said.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: StroFun]
    #6008109 - 08/29/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: StroFun]
    #6008493 - 08/29/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Stupid, Saddam is just another puppet in the Governments funded controlled manufactured war on terror. The soldiers that tortured Saddam, are just as guilty of war crimes as Saddam is. Violence breeds Violence. I often wonder how bad he really was. the media is so controlled these days, it wouldnt surprise me to learn Saddam was an angel.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: downlowfunk]
    #6008636 - 08/29/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Stupid, Saddam is just another puppet in the Governments funded controlled manufactured war on terror. The soldiers that tortured Saddam, are just as guilty of war crimes as Saddam is. Violence breeds Violence. I often wonder how bad he really was. the media is so controlled these days, it wouldnt surprise me to learn Saddam was an angel.



I wouldn't say that it was quite like that. I'm not discounting spin and all, its just that I wouldn't call some one who gasses people an angel. I mean we did give him weapons and whatnot. I heard some one say sure we knew he had WMD's, we still have the reciept. Its not that we cared so much about that, but what a great excuse when you want to steal something from some one.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #6008812 - 08/29/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But how do we know he really gassed those people?? how do we know anything about what is happening. Everything that comes from the big 3 is edited. The government addmittingly spent over a billion on fake news reports last year. Thats admitted, imagine all the fake reports that are bought and paid for that are never admitted.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: downlowfunk]
    #6009248 - 08/29/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> But how do we know he really gassed those people??

The dead bodies.... the mass graves... the survivor stories... intel intercepts... Iraqi records... and probably a few that I missed.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: downlowfunk]
    #6009286 - 08/29/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The government addmittingly spent over a billion on fake news reports last year.




Evidence, links?

Please! I'm interested!

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    #6010066 - 08/29/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6010747 - 08/30/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

stupid jackass mariness.sadam was bought and paid for yaers ago.what they gonna do next.gang bang him?

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6010810 - 08/30/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html

Saddam certainly was no angel. He was a murderous tyrant; a murderous tyrant who came to power with the help of the C.I.A. through a coup against the popular Gen. Abdel Karim Kassam, a progressive, socialist-leaning leader who believed the oil resources of Iraq should be used to combat poverty and build infrastructure in his country, not line the pockets of corporate pigs in the U.S. & U.K.

He was the first head of the Ba'athist secret police, and the first purge he carried out against teachers, human rights activists, labor union leaders, former government officials, and all suspected opponents of the new regime was based on lists given to him by the C.I.A.

He was further supported with billions of dollars of economic & military aid by the U.S. & Britain to fight a war which he instigated against Iran that costs millions of lives, both soldiers & civilians (including the gassing of Halabja, courtesy of U.S. petrochemical companies).

Saddam is/was a murderous tyrant who served the interests of U.S. imperialism when convenient. The fact the he ceased to be directly useful himself to the military-industrial establishment in Washington when he invaded Kuwait  is hardly a problem for them; in fact, it is very useful in the sense the after they make billions supporting a dictator, the same companies make billions in military action against that dictator.

Follow the money, & the truth will reveal itself.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Seuss]
    #6010817 - 08/30/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The dead bodies.... the mass graves... the survivor stories... intel intercepts... Iraqi records... and probably a few that I missed.




Wow what did the dead bodies look like after being gassed? Could you smell them? How did you manage to get your hands on Iraqi records? Must be great to be able to read Arabic! and what equipment do you use to intercept Iraqi intel?


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: GazzBut]
    #6010981 - 08/30/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i think what hers trying to get at is that everything we see on tv or in the paper could have been tampered with by anyone from the US government down to joe shmo for absolutley any reason.
have a groovy day,

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #6011147 - 08/30/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I heard some one say sure we knew he had WMD's, we still have the reciept.




Yeah, that was Bill Hicks, and he was a comedian. :smirk:

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: StroFun]
    #6011250 - 08/30/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like I am the only one that finds this very, very funny.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Redstorm]
    #6011255 - 08/30/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems like I am the only one that finds this very, very funny.



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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Redstorm]
    #6011539 - 08/30/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It might be funny if it were true. Unfortunately, the ONLY sources for the claim are Parker and Stone. I'd say the odds of them just goofing on the press are pretty high.



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    #6011578 - 08/30/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: StroFun]
    #6011718 - 08/30/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being made to watch his appearance in cult cartoon South Park while he is behind bars.





Its nice they feed his sense of moral superiority over the infidels.
But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Asante]
    #6011904 - 08/30/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.



If making someone watch South Park is a human rights violation, then human rights aren't worth upholding.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: jungjedi]
    #6011967 - 08/30/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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stupid jackass mariness.sadam was bought and paid for yaers ago.what they gonna do next.gang bang him?






Ahh........ The irony of calling a group of Marines stupid, and you, yourself, misspelling words.

(and if this story is true...it is fucking hilarious)


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    #6012047 - 08/30/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Asante]
    #6012050 - 08/30/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being made to watch his appearance in cult cartoon South Park while he is behind bars.





Its nice they feed his sense of moral superiority over the infidels.
But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.




This is a slap in the face to anybody who has ever really had their rights violated. Intellectual buffoonery and creeping Churchillianism (Ward, that is).


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    #6012076 - 08/30/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Silversoul]
    #6012093 - 08/30/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If making someone watch South Park is a human rights violation, then human rights aren't worth upholding.




Repeatedly forcing a political prisoner to watch a piece of personalized propaganda wherein his character is made to sodomize the devil is not the correct way to treat a prisoner, which in the light of his trial can cause all sorts of delay and legal embarassment.

The job is to decently and efficiently see to it that this man is put through the justice system. There is no need to subject him to propaganda that shows him lewdly waiving a dildo at the Devil.

And you must remember one thing: Saddam Hussein knows full well that he probably will get the death sentence, and the south park movie shows him *after death, in Hell* which makes it more than innocent humor.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6012152 - 08/30/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Your cheap-shot against professor Ward Churchill is baseless.

The essay... Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html

Read it for yourself instead of letting Bill O'Reilly & David Horowitz tell you what's in it.

A helpful resource in further understanding the subject matter...

http://www.counterpunch.org/churchill02212005.html




I read it when it was still steaming and you were in grade school and found it to be the work of an intellectual lightweight who basicly has made a living pretending to be something he is not. I do not watch O'Reilly and don't know who David Horowitz is, offhand. The NY Times is delivered daily to my door and I read it. I also read the NY Post and numerous blogs which I find to be honest. Like Little Green Footballs, which, in addition to sending Gunga Dan to an early retirement, have also made rather a mincement of the whole notion that the media lies to support the US and Israel and BUUUUSH. Your assumption that anyone who disagrees with your oh so educated and exalted fringe lunacy is deluded by the mass media and too stupid to be enlightened is what will keep you forever one step away from total muteness. If no one listens, did you make a sound? Methinks not. I and many others have no problem finding Churchill to be an academic fraud, an egregious liar and an opportunist of the worst stripe. Yep, it was us neocons that got him tossed out of that redneck bastion in Colorado. PERSECUTION, FIGHT THE POWER, POWER TO THE PEOPLE, umm what do you mean you don't really have that degree or you didn't really write those papers yourself? Ummmmhmm. Uh-huh. I see. Buh-bye. And his ideas are stupid too.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6012162 - 08/30/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being made to watch his appearance in cult cartoon South Park while he is behind bars.





Its nice they feed his sense of moral superiority over the infidels.
But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.




This is a slap in the face to anybody who has ever really had their rights violated. Intellectual buffoonery and creeping Churchillianism (Ward, that is).




Respond to this. Your position makes the whole concept of human rights a farce. Absolutely ignorant overuse of whiny bullshit for no good reason other than to once again assert with bleating blather that AMERIKKKA SUCKS! Please, keep it real, sister.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6012514 - 08/30/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Drawing links to ownership doesn't prove bias. Providing extensive media analysis, on the other hand, would? Have anything relevant like that?

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Redstorm]
    #6012678 - 08/30/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My "rant", as you put it, was in no way incoherent. Nor was it sarcastic. Much. Except for this;
"oh so educated and exalted fringe lunacy"
That was sarcastic.



Ward Churchill and his bilious screed have been sliced, diced, disected and flayed, boiled, broiled and braised to a fine faretheewell. Even he has backed off and "clarified" his crap. Just what were those children on the plane guilty of again? And the restaurant workers? Those are just the easiest targets. I suppose in your ridiculous world view every Mexican who crosses the border illegally is also complicit in the evil and illegal Amerikkkan hegemonic imperialist plot to take over the world. Because of the Joooos. And oil, of course.

Further, your dubious "expose" of pro-Amerikkka media bias would be interesting if you could actually support that notion with EXAMPLES of pro-Amerikkka bias from NBC.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6012755 - 08/30/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Second, he did not equate the low-level service workers in those buildings to the technocrats who were contributing architects of genocidal U.S. foreign policy.




When (other than towards the Native Americans) has the US had a policy of genocide?

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6012794 - 08/30/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Let's look at the mainstream media's role in promoting ignorance in the context of the recent campaign of Israeli aggression in Lebanon...

The capture of 2 Isreali soldiers near the Lebanese border (on which side exactly is disputed), and of 1 Israeli soldier in the Gaza strip was universally labeled a provocation by terrorists in the U.S. media, a provocation which warranted a sharp & decisive response by the IDF.

What was ignored in these widely covered events was the fact the Isreal has over 10,000 Lebanese & Palestinian prisoners, many of the Lebanese from the last occupation by the IDF which officially ended in 2000.



Linkee please.  And please, set aside those who were tried and convicted of crimes.  Or is it impossible for you to comprehend that, over the course of a few decades, and given a population of millions of palis, some of the fuckers might actually be criminals :shocked:  I certainly don't recall any examples of the Lebanese GOVERNMENT screaming about this.  You do know what a government is don't you?  The ostensible representative of the people of the nation, as opposed to a bunch of extra-governmental thugs representing a foreign government and co-opting the actual elected representatives?  You are aware of the difference aren't you?
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For weeks before this so-called "provocation", the Israeli government was systematically taking prisoner cabinet officials from a democratically-elected Palestinian government.



That would be a bit of a glitch in your time frame there grasshopper.  The Hamas thugs weren't arrested until after Gilad was captured.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with the lads on the Lebanese border, does it?  I think they were actually Hamas Members of Parliament. Hamas is a terrorist organization.  Many of them are still criminals.  Complicit in a kidnapping.  Under arrest.  Tough shit.  Daily rocket attacks and a kidnapping.  Nope, no reason to arrest any of THOSE fine upstanding leaders.
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On June 24, the day before Cpl. Gilad Shalit was captured at an Israeli army outpost in Lebanon, the IDF captured and imprisoned two Palestinian civialians in Gaza; certainly a greater crime & violation of human rights than what Palestinian militants did the following day.




Try to get your bullshit together a little better OK?
"Early on Sunday morning, 25 June 2006, Shalit was captured by Palestinian militants who attacked an army post in Israel after crossing the border from the Gaza Strip into Israel via an underground tunnel"
Just for your edification, there is absolutely nothing wrong with arresting individual criminals.  With reasonable suspicion that they committed crimes personally.  You know, since there have been daily rocket attacks since they left Gaza.  And the so-called Gaza government has evidenced no interest in stopping them.  As opposed to Gilad, who was pretty much just standing around and guilty of.....wearing a uniform.  Yeah, now I get it Ward.  It is OH SOOOOO clear now.
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Yet the widely-reported capture, and accompanying outrage (not authentic, but rather a cynical, self-serving fraud) among the U.S. government and media, reveals a blatant bias in U.S. media coverage of Israeli/Palestinians events.




Even the Arab world and the UN came out and condemned the kidnappings.  Are you so fucking out of touch that you were unaware of this?
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From this context capturing & imprisoning civilians is fine as long as they're not "our" civialians, but capturing one of "our" soldiers is viewed as a serious provcation.




I had no problem with the "kidnapping" of Mr. John Mark Karr.  These Israeli soldiers were guilty of nothing other than wearing a uniform.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6012795 - 08/30/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't be pretentious; I was just asking a question. I'll do some reading on all of those, but none of them look too recent. Do we no longer have a policy of genocide or something?

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6012822 - 08/30/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And another one of your heroes is Timothy McVeigh??? Who's next? Ted Kuczinsky? A truly impressive list. This is why you are essentially a mute buffoon. Enjoy your utter irrelevance. You do realize you are doomed to an existence of summary dismissal, don't you?


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Redstorm]
    #6012836 - 08/30/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't be pretentious; I was just asking a question. I'll do some reading on all of those, but none of them look too recent. Do we no longer have a policy of genocide or something?




It's a Noam, Ward, Alex Jones, parrot. Pay it no mind. I'm still looking for the SA colony.


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    #6012857 - 08/30/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Please, keep it real, sister.




Aww did you put your tampon in backwards again, zappa?  :rolleyes:

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Your position makes the whole concept of human rights a farce.




It does not. If you forget for a moment that the guy is Saddam Hussein, then you got a case of a strongly religious prisoner of war who is almost sure to be executed, which is repeatedly is made to watch a video ridiculing his person, suggesting he will go to Hell and engage in homosexual intercourse with the Devil. Hilarious as the movie might be, in this context it is a form of humiliation intended to rob said prisoner of his dignity. Humiliation of prisoners on trial is not the way we do things in the civilized world.

But you probably thought it was OK that korans were torn up and flushed through the toilet to apply pressure to religious inmates of Guantanamo.

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Please note the degrading treatment part, this is the human right that applies to the Saddam Hussein/South Park situation.


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for no good reason other than to once again assert with bleating blather that AMERIKKKA SUCKS!




No :rolleyes:

For the simple and abundantly clear reason that these few marines hyave violated mr Hussein's rights, which should not happen in a case as important as this. Like I said, this can be made a matter by for instance his lawyers to delay the case, and its improper conduct plain and simple.

You're getting a kick out of my alleged anti-americanism.
If this were an israel matter you'd call me antisemitic.

I strongly disagree with several foreign and domestic policies of your government. That does not make me anti-american. Americans are not their government, and its the US government which I disagree with.
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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: Asante]
    #6013126 - 08/30/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Once again, WS, there is no credible evidence that Hussein is being forced to watch this episode. The ONLY people who are saying this are Parker and Stone, the creators of South Park. These guys are renowned jokers, and not exactly an unimpeachable source.

Until we get a second source for this allegation, it is best to treat it as a hoax.





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    #6013795 - 08/30/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know what genocide means? It has a specific definition. It's not just a lot of people dying because of negligence or malicious action. It has to be a concetrated effort to kill off an entire segment of the population. What occurred in Dresden, or even in Japan was not an act of genocide.

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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6014404 - 08/31/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What Ward Churchill and others are saying in regards to U.S. imperialism is reflective of the antagony the majority of the world's population feels towards America & Israel. Travel a bit and this sendiment is easy to see.

Second, he did not equate the low-level service workers in those buildings to the technocrats who were contributing architects of genocidal U.S. foreign policy. He simply stated that if Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima & Nagasaki were justified military targets (which the corporate version of American history teaches), then so too were the trade centers and the Pentagon.

"...When an aggressor force continually launches attacks from a particular base of operations, it is sound military strategy to take the flight to the enemy. Additionally, borrowing a page from U.S. foreign policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government. Bombing the Murrah Federal Building was morally and strategically equivalent to the U.S. hitting a government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations. Based on observations of the policies of my own government, I viewed this action as an acceptable option. From this perspective what occurred in Oklahoma City was no different than what Americans rain on the heads of others all the time, and, subsequently, my mindset was and is one of clinical detachment. (The bombing of the Murrah Building was not personal no more than when Air Force, Army, Navy or Marine personnel bomb or launch cruise missiles against (foreign) government installations and their personnel." - Timothy McVeigh




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And another one of your heroes is Timothy McVeigh??? Who's next? Ted Kuczinsky? A truly impressive list. This is why you are essentially a mute buffoon. Enjoy your utter irrelevance. You do realize you are doomed to an existence of summary dismissal, don't you?




Where does he mention Hero.

I was blown away by reading the quote, before i saw who it was attributed to. I figured UBL, but I guess McVeigh is just like the rest of the terrorist.

But was EntheogenicPeace praising this? No, He was stating how terrorist use OUR bombing policies (Bomb the trade centers of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima & Nagasaki) to (attempt) to cripple economies. The Bombing of the World TRADE center was an obvious target.

i don't see an endorsement, I see a terrorist using our tactics. We, the US had NO REASON to bomb Dresden. It is on the Eastern Front, and we only helped the Russians beat us to Berlin. The only reason to bomb Dresden was to cripple Germany's trade.

Enter Iron Curtain



As far as criminals are criminals. If you bulldoze my families house, to build your own structure, on land that the UN has told you is not yours, land you did not claim before 1967, and children throw rocks at you, are they criminals?

Fighting against an Illegal Occupation makes someone a criminal?

Would you make this argument in Philadelphia in 1775?

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    #6014693 - 08/31/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Neither borders nor the concept of land ownership existed in this hemisphere prior to the arrival of the genocidal slave-trader Columbus.




I doubt that. Native American tribes frequently warred with each other over hunting grounds. Villages burnt to the ground. South American tribes commited genocide agansit each other. To propose that these evils only appeared once white man stepped foot on the contintent is preposterous.

It would be difficult to consider you a source on the history of the American contintent at that time, anyways. There is no sense in asserting bold truths when you have no grounds to base it upon. :wink:

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    #6014710 - 08/31/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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One does not have to be successful in complete extermination for an effort to be genocidal in both intent and practice. Because Hitler did not killing every Jew in the world does not mean his efforts and their effects were not genocidal. The same goes for the European settlers towards indigenous Indians in the Western Hemisphere, or towards Africans during trans-Atlantic slavery. U.S. militarism in Southeast Asia also was both deliberate and systematic mass murder.

Additional examples for such murder & mayhem include: Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Colombia, Chile, Grenada, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Nicaragua, Panama, Yugoslavia, Zaire, East Tumor, Korea, the Philippines, and others.

Over the last century the U.S. has instigated more wars and involved int self in more conflicts around the globe than any other nation-state in history. Its military budget currently outspends the next 20 or so nations combined . It sells more arms, munitions, and military equipment than the next dozen or so nations combined. Whenever a child is maimed and murdered by land mines, cluster bombs, and other unexploded munitions, there's a good chance that "Made in America" is on the outside.

To say that America is a genocidal and imperialist empire is to put it kindly.

"The trouble is that when American dollars earn only six percent over here, they get restless and go overseas to get 100 percent. The flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to defend some lousy investment of the bankers. We should fight only for the defense of our home and the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It had its 'finger men' to point out enemies, its 'muscle men' to destroy enemies, its 'brain men' to plan war preparations and a 'Big Boss' — super nationalistic capitalism. I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tamiko safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. War is a racket." - Gen. Medley D. Butler

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    #6014828 - 08/31/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Once again, WS, there is no credible evidence that Hussein is being forced to watch this episode.




I know this, but for the sake of discussion it is interesting to assume that it did happen. For the sake of discussing the implications of an event the reality level of the event isn't important :smile:

If it happened then see my above bla, if it didn't then thats far better, but at least we had an interesting discussion out of it.


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    #6015273 - 08/31/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't be pretentious; I was just asking a question. I'll do some reading on all of those, but none of them look too recent. Do we no longer have a policy of genocide or something?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas

...and I would not use the term genocide, personally. certainly, mass murder, torture, assassination, terrorism, etc fit better.

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    #6015664 - 08/31/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Timothy McVeigh... one of my heroes?!?

God, you love putting words into other people's mouths & making false assumptions.

I have no ideological connection to him whatsoever (he was associated with the "Christian Identity" movement, a white supremacist organization)

I used the quote because Timothy McVeigh was trained by the U.S. military (he was awarded a Bronze Star medal). His insight in that writing makes a chillingly profound and revealingly honest point about the detachment many Americans have when it comes to the realities & consequences of their aggression around the world.




There is no insight or profundity in McVeigh's wheedle. What there is is the rantings of an arch narcissist attempting to justify his crime by equating himself with the force and power and moral authority of a consensus population. Clearly deranged. The notion that every man is a law unto himself is discredited in every application. He quite simply murdered hundreds of other humans who, by his own definition of moral authority and right to exist, each held equal stature to him. Who the fuck did he think he was that he should decide who should live or die. Which is an entirely different discussion from that of the action of nation states.
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When Americans say they have a history of fighting the "bad guys", the "evildoers" of the world, they are incapable of feeling empathy for what they are actually doing; a mass genocide against the poor & oppressed for the purpose of creating and maintaining a favorable climate for overseas investment.




Any fucking link to any indication that this is happening anywhere would bolster your argument. And I bet you managed to find a great deal to admire in Ted Koscinski's manifesto as well.
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In Vietnam instead of someone's mother or father, or husband or wife, or son or daughter being murdered, maimed, or burned by napalm, it was "communists" or "gooks"; a detached classifiction designed to dehumanize others so Americans would be accepting of such inhumane destruction.




One could just as easily turn this fatuous nonsense around to your characterization of evil white Amerikkkan capitalists as a dehumanized enemy. An intellectually useless exercise in Churchillian nonsense, akin to his dehumanized "Little Eichmanns". Blah, blah, blah.
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Please, if you are going to make false accusations, make them a little more believable next time.

"We have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. Our minimal expectation is to occupy it as an American colony and maintain social stability for our investments. This tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Colombia and Peru. Increasingly the role our nation has taken is the role of those who refuse to give up the privileges and pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investment." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.




I am not aware that MLK Jr was ever in a position to either know or make US policy anywhere. His utterances in regard to this matter thus hold absolutely zero weight. His sole area of expertise was the condition of the Negro in American up until the mid 1960s.


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    #6015729 - 08/31/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Zappa, the fundamental worldview you espouse is that of the existing social order; a white-imperialist power structure where the death of a relatively small number of predominantly white people is a "barbaric terrorist attack", while the deaths of millions of poor people of color is "acceptable collateral damage".

You call occupation soldiers (who happen to be of white European ancestry) legitimate, but condemn resistance fighters (who happen to be darker-skinned and of Middle-eastern ancestry) defending their homeland as terrorists. Somehow, I don't think that if in 50 years the Chinese military invaded the mainland of the U.S. and installed a puppet government to give its companies control of material resources, that your position on resistance to occupation would be the same.




No sir. The color of the oppressor is irrelevant to my position, which is that the Israelis are the oppressed. What is repeatedly ignored is that the entire middle east map was redrawn and that none of these states existed prior. They were all part of the Ottoman Empire. Israel has never attempted any adventurism, despite the lies of the Muslims. They are the ones dedicated to the eradication of a whole people. Israel does not belong to them and the so-called Palestinian territories never existed. They were parts of other nations, to wit Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, all of which attempted to destroy Israel, a nation with just as much legitimacy as any of them. These nations don't even want them back. Egypt got the Sianai back and said fuck the Gaza Strip. Jordan isn't the least bit interested in getting the West Bank back or taking in the people who live there. Lebanon was totally restored and look how that turned out. (Your implication that the Israeli hostages were on Lebanese soil has absolutely no foundation in reality). And Syria has not been making any noises that I'm aware of regarding the Golan Heights but they are not to be trusted anyway, they remain dedicated to the destruction of Israel, unlike Jordan and Egypt.
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If we were having this conversation 20 or so years ago, you would be (as the U.S. & Israeli governments did) legitimizing (not only in the form of recognition, but also economic and military support for) the apartheid regime of South Africa, while condemning Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress as a terrorist organization.




I would love to see a link for any of this alleged military and economic support for S. Africa. Why would S. Africa need any economic aid? And they were a British and Dutch colony. They're the ones who set up the whites only regime. None of your loons now, a real source. And who's putting words in whose mouth?
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You use the common fascist tactic of painting me as an extremist out of touch with reality, but in reality I'm speaking how the majority of the world feels on the general topic of U.S. imperialism. If you were to travel around the world right now and ask random people who they think the greatest threat to world peace is, what do you think their answer would be? (hint: it's not Iran).




Whatever you say. I didn't know that was a common fascist tactic. Gotta link? You spout the same shit as Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky, both of whom are marginalized. So, ipso facto, you are marginalized. I have no idea what the rest of the world thinks, I know what happens here. I also know most Americans can't identify the Vice President by name. So what?
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The first from a dear brother and comrade in the struggle:

"Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightiest of all empires... But what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes. That nothing lasts forever, and that to not resist is to acquiesce in your own oppression. The greatest form of sanity that anyone can exercise is to resist that force that is trying to repress, oppress, and fight down the human spirit." - Mumia Abu Jamal




Great, another murderer, no surprise here
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The second from one the greatest human beings to ever live:

"Why does the guerrilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable conclusion that the guerrilla fighter is a social reformer, that he takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery." - Ernesto "Che" Guevara




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    #6015833 - 08/31/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You want a link about the double standard of coverage in the U.S. media (as well as a summery of the overall geopolitical scene in the Middle East)?

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomsky08162006.html

You call Hezbollah a group of thugs representing a foreign government? They are a thoroughly Lebanese resistance movement that has the broad support of the Lebanese people; not only Shia Muslims, but Sunni Muslims, Christians, and Druze as well.




They are a tool of Iran and Syria who have co-opted the foreign policy decisions of the rightful and duly elected government of Lebanon. Do you deny this?
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You may not be aware of this, but Hamas runs extensive social services for the impoverished Palestinians on the West Bank (as the Hezbollah does in Lebanon). Their political party was democratically elected, but the U.S./Zionist imperialists aren't interested in real democracy. They only want "democracy" if it puts their puppets in power, not a leadership committed to the self-determination of its people. Hence, they will undertake any means, no matter how illegal, in attempting to thwart real democracy, the kind that doesn't serve corporate America (the U.S. role in subverting the democratically-elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile & the Sandinistas in Nicaragua are parallels to Israel's sabatoge of the Hamas government).




Irrelevant and not even remotely close to the scale of anything the US did in SA. Further, the Sandinistas were VOTED OUT by the people of Nicaragua. To their everlasting credit they accepted electoral defeat. Chile seems to be doing quite nicely these days. Further, for your edification, even Hamas is decrying the kidnapping and daily rocket attacks.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1154525954624
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"This is how Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority government and a former newspaper editor, described the situation in the Gaza Strip in an article he published on Sunday on some Palestinian news Web sites."

Their party was elected, the rocket attacks and kidnappings increased and nobody will give them money any more. Boo fucking hoo.
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The Arab world condemned Hezbollah? This demonstrates that you, not I, are out of touch with reality on the Arab street. First, U.S. puppets initially issued tenative criticism of Hezbollah, but even they backed off due to how popular Hezbollah is in the Arab world. You may not be aware of this either, but U.S. puppet governments in the Middle East not only are not democratic, they don't represent the interests of their people. In fact, they walk a very fine line and, with the right provocation, could be overthrown by popular revolt. The present situation of disconnect between subservient (to America) Arab governments and their populations is very much a powder keg.




Who are these mystical Arab puppet governments? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Anybody who doesn't actively spew anti American venom is a puppet to you? Laughable.
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Another complete asshole quoted by you. I don't much care what they do as long as they stay within their own borders. Their sense of dudgeon is utterly absurd and will be crushed. Caricatures didn't fly planes into my buildings. And apologists like you and Said are of no help whatsoever.


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zappaisgod: [Whatever you say. I didn't know that was a common fascist tactic. Gotta link? You spout the same shit as Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky, both of whom are marginalized. So, ipso facto, you are marginalized. I have no idea what the rest of the world thinks, I know what happens here. I also know most Americans can't identify the Vice President by name. So what?]

You say my views are marginalized, and then proceed to acknowledge that you have no idea what the rest of the world thinks. How can you possibly say with any degree of certainty that my views are marginalized when you yourself admit you are oblivious to how most of the world thinks and feels?




I don't live in the rest of the world, I live here, and I know that your views are marginalized here, in America. Where do you live? If you also live here then YOU don't know what the rest of the world thinks any more than I do.


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Re: Sadaam made to watch south park repeatedly [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6015842 - 08/31/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod: [I would love to see a link for any of this alleged military and economic support for S. Africa.]

Certainly...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html




You are really going to have to do better than the loon links. Sorry. What's the other one you like so much? Counterpunch? That shit just isn't going to fly mon frere.


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    #6015926 - 08/31/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't be pretentious; I was just asking a question. I'll do some reading on all of those, but none of them look too recent. Do we no longer have a policy of genocide or something?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas

...and I would not use the term genocide, personally. certainly, mass murder, torture, assassination, terrorism, etc fit better.




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I just can't stand it when people take actual words with meaning and turn them into buzz-words that end up meaning whatever they want them to mean. Misusing the word genocide downplays what genocide actually is, and the situations in which is has occurred.

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    #6016454 - 08/31/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are one of the people who is turning "genocide" into a buzzword by using it when it doesn't apply.

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    #6016737 - 08/31/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Israel has never attempted any adventurism, despite the lies of the Muslims. They are the ones dedicated to the eradication of a whole people




Are you sure Israel has not attempted ethnic cleansing?

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    #6018773 - 09/01/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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[I don't live in the rest of the world, I live here, and I know that your views are marginalized here, in America. Where do you live? If you also live here then YOU don't know what the rest of the world thinks any more than I do. ]

I don't know what the rest of the world thinks any more than you do? LOL... coming from someone who think a majority of Arabs in the world condemn Hezbollah...





Please find that quote
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Mythical puppet governments?!?




Please list the puppets
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Just out of curiousity, have you ever talked politics with someone of Arabic descent and/or Islamic faith?




Face to face. Yep. The ones I've spoken to are quite disgusted with some of their brethren. They don't agree with me on everything, obviously, but every one I've spoken too thinks Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, AlQ and the rest are very, very bad for Isalm. At any rate, you have avoided the question. Which doesn't surprise me.
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Have you ever heard of dialouge and talking to people from different cultures and of different ethnic backrounds? I know it sounds radical to some Americans, whose knee-jerk reaction is to bomb, enslave, & exploit others around the world for profit. But it is possible to work together with others instead of beating the drum of war & singing an anthem of bigotry and misinformation.




Sure it's possible to work together with some people. But not all people. When you grow up you will find that a great many people will accept nothing but total acquiescence. A lot of them. A whole fucking shitload of them. Sometimes in business, sometimes in personal realtionships, sometimes in religious matters. These people are fucking everywhere and there are millions upon millions of them. And then there is a whole enormous population of people who just won't accept that they have lost and that their position is bankrupt and thanatotic. The Islamic whackos just have to accept the fact that there is and will be an Israel and that there is and will be an America. Every problem in the mid-east is due to Islamic recalcitrance. Most of them know it. Unfortunately they cannot and neverhave been able to effectively govern the nuts in their midst. This is how Hezbollah was able to co-opt the duly elected government of Lebanon. Which got Lebanon blowed up (deliberate bad grammar). Here's something that borders on an oxymoron...Arab government. Here's something that's a total fiction.... Arab democracy. Lebanon looked like it might be one but a government that does not govern is a sham. Huge parts of Pakistan are not really Pakistan


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    #6018817 - 09/01/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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[You are really going to have to do better than the loon links. Sorry. What's the other one you like so much? Counterpunch? That shit just isn't going to fly mon frere.]

I know independent and foreign media sources seem crazy to you. Why leave the comforting, ethnocentrism-reaffirming lies of U.S. government propaganda delivered through its corporate mouthpieces?




You linked Counterpunch, which calls itself a newsletter, not exactly journalism, and a 20 year old piece by Jane Hunter. Really, you should be embarrassed. That and your admiration for murderers.... Yep, you are one serious rebel. Fight the Power, Right On.


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Are you sure Israel has not attempted ethnic cleansing?




Yes.


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    #6018868 - 09/01/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If you were to leave the comfort of America and travel a bit, you would know that most people around the world are surprised to find out just how clueless most Americans are when it comes the Middle-East situation (which is relatively easy to understand considering that the White House and Capitol Hill can accurately be called 'Zionist-occupied territory').




Oh, so clueless, those stupid Yanks who have somehow managed to become the most successful nation the planet has ever seen. Yep, a bunch of dumb bastards. All of us in Cuba and France have advanced degrees in foreign policy studies and have managed to guarantee a lifetime of blissful existence for our peoples. Meanwhile, Cubans routinely inflate truck tires and float to Amerikka, land of the dumb, and France had Muslims rioting in the streets because the unemployment rate for invaders is 1,900,000% Yep, stupid Amerikkkans. I'm sure they find you to be oh so enlightened. Or maybe they just think you're a useful idiot. I make no representations about what other people think.


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    #6024538 - 09/03/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I stand by my assertion about the concepts of borders and land ownership not only not existing, but being fundamentally incompatible with Native American philosophy and theology.




Your assertion is baseless. Tribes went to war over hunting grounds, implying a sense of entitlement to land and resources and subsequent denial of other's rights to that land and resources. This is even depicted in Dances With Wolves, wherein the Sioux and Pawnee tribes war - demonstrating that it is commonly understood that Native Americans fought and killed each other. For the fun of it? :lol:

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The idea the someone could "own" the land (in the form of private property) was as preposterous to them as being able to "own" the air.




Maybe they did not have the same sense of ownership that we hold, but it still remains that they certainly did engage in a sense of belongings. Native Americans certainly did not embrace thieves, and there certainly was the distinction between whose clothing was whose, etc. etc. etc.

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    #6047716 - 09/10/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But seriously, if this is true then thats yet another human rights violation.



If making someone watch South Park is a human rights violation, then human rights aren't worth upholding.



It's absurd to make anyone watch anything, regardless of what they have done. Then you have a system that exists for vengeance and hostility, rather than protection (i.e. the system the entire world uses, well, most of the world).

The idea of prisons is really strange actually. We know drug users don't need to be there. But aside from those who are truely dangerous, it's strange to put say, thieves in a box with other thieves...... thieves thief and thief is a bit harmful but it's strange that sooooo many of our inmates are either petty nuisances or non-violent....... it's strange that for instance getting into a fight and beating some one up in "self defense" might not land you in jail and the cops would be like "yea i sympathize with you man" but smoking up a joint, or say vandalizing a McDonald's definitely would.


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